I am sure that the yappy little maltese that gives a quick nip to the baby that sticks his hand in the food bowl doesn't make the news. I also doubt that many people equate that to an "attack".
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I am sure that the yappy little maltese that gives a quick nip to the baby that sticks his hand in the food bowl doesn't make the news. I also doubt that many people equate that to an "attack".
Btw, I agree that the owner plays/played a large part in most of these cases and are even directly responsible for some of the attacks. Having said that, to assume that it is always the owners fault is to say that some dogs are not just more aggressive. I disagree with that completely.
2012 fatal dog attacks by breed
2012 statistics
38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012.
Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities,
pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.
Together, pit bulls (23) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 68% of all fatal attacks in 2012. In the 8-year period from 2005 to 2012, this combination accounted for 73% (183) of the total recorded deaths (251).
The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 8-year period. From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 32, about one citizen every 91 days.
The victims report at the bottom of the page is sickening.
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php
2012 statistics
38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012.
Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities,
pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.
Together, pit bulls (23) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 68% of all fatal attacks in 2012. In the 8-year period from 2005 to 2012, this combination accounted for 73% (183) of the total recorded deaths (251).
The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 8-year period. From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 32, about one citizen every 91 days.
The victims report at the bottom of the page is sickening.
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php
Yes in the CDC study. It says right at the top that it was taken from press accounts and the Humane Society.
Yes. News accounts of fatalities. If a Maltese killed someone and it didn't make the news , it wouldn't be on the list, no matter how unlikely that would be.
2012 fatal dog attacks by breed
2012 statistics
38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012.
Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities,
pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.
Together, pit bulls (23) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 68% of all fatal attacks in 2012. In the 8-year period from 2005 to 2012, this combination accounted for 73% (183) of the total recorded deaths (251).
The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 8-year period. From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 32, about one citizen every 91 days.
The victims report at the bottom of the page is sickening.
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php
Look brother, re-posting the same study from a website that promotes BSL against pitt bulls isn't going to change my mind.
I understand your position on the matter is different than mine. I feel that it is completely wrong to eliminate a breed that has been around longer than any other breed this nation has known, a breed that used to be referred to as the "nanny breed". If you would like to investigate some of the press reports further you would also see that of all the fatalities reported to be caused by "pitt bulls", 74% of them have occurred in the last ten years and 42% in the last four years. Isn't it plausible that the increase of dog fighting since the 80's could have caused a spike in aggressive behavior due to all the inbreeding, puppy mills, fighting dogs, fight training, and bait dogs? That is our responsibility to fix, not the dog's. To say that the breed suddenly went bad and is dangerous is simply avoiding the cause. I am quite sure there are plenty of "studies" available that anyone can find to support their position and to support BSL (Breed Specific Legislation). I think the best one would be a little "national social introspection" study and realize that there is an epidemic in society and you can't blame it on the dog.
As I stated earlier, I have trained and fostered more "Pitt Bull" breeds than any other dog and while I am far from claiming to be an expert, I do have some pretty extensive experience with them. I generally weigh my personal experience over press releases when making a decision. Dogbite org is looking to enact BSL nationwide and pours a lot of money into that very thing so I don't take much of what the report as fact.
Again, your entitled to your opinion. Mine is different.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Hope this helps,
FDC
No I know what you mean, I just think there are times when a dog can be just born that way much like a human
Bobby,
Dude, do you really believe that media doesn't have an agenda? Do you really think every single death resulting from dog attacks is reported and the breed reported correctly every time? Can you tell the difference between a Catahoula/Boxer/Mastiff/Staffordshire/American mix at a glance? If you, of all people, are now going to try to tell me that the news is a good source of truth in news than I would be very surprised.
Have no doubt that you have more experience with the dogs,and rescuing/fostering any animal is admirable. I don't wont to see any breed of dog eliminated and I certainly do not subscribe to the beliefs of random sites pulled from google. Trust me, I am not trying to change your mind. I was simply stating I do not believe that an animal that makes up roughly 5% of the dog population yet accounts for roughly 60% of the dog related deaths can simply be blamed on owners, or the other things you listed for that matter. I have no doubt they play a big part, and without them the numbers would probably be way down, but there is a reason they chose to fight them to begin with.
We will agree to disagree, though I don't think we are as far apart as you think.
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We probably are much closer on the subject than I realize.
There is certainly a spike in the number as of the past few years and I am sure there are many other factors that go into that. I personally believe that most if not all of those contributing factors can be attributed to human interaction.
I just hate to see the breed punished for our societal ambivalence toward fixing the root cause.
No. I don't think that there's an anti-pit bull bias. I think that people don't like kids getting killed by dogs. I can tell the difference between breeds. I knew the neighbors puppy was a pit even when they called it a nanny dog.
There's too much data out there that says the dogs are dangerous for it not to be true and it's most likely our fault, but I don't really care who's fault it is, I'd rather just protect my kids and other kids from dangerous animals.
So the neighbors dog has proven to be dangerous? Or are you saying it is dangerous because it is a pitt bull period and you heard bunches of news stories about how dangerous they are and that is what has you classifying it as dangerous? You are admittedly biased towards the breeds and it's because of media that you have this bias, but there isn't a bias? Got it.
It's not the media. It's data. It's an informed opinion based on that data. . . and you don't think they're dangerous because it's not their fault, and also because you've had a 100 come through your house. Got it. Sounds good.
Data gathered from press releases from various media outlets, published in various media outlets is media. I suppose that leaves us with what we are willing to accept as informed. Got it, Sounds good, Glad we had this talk.
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Often-no-warning-signs-in-pit-bull-attacks-4611027.php
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...dults-party-rhode-island-described-scene-cujo
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/03/3483310/pit-bull-attacks-baby-in-dania.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/pit-bull-kills-union-city-boy_n_3460394.html
http://www.nj.com/south/index.ssf/2013/06/pit_bulls_attack_kill_neighbor.html
so all of these media outlets have some agenda against pitbulls? I dont know but I have a hard time believing the media of the world got together and decided to take a stand agains pitbulls.
the proof is in the statistics, I don't know how any argument can be made for them not being an aggressive dog. sure you might have one and it might be great, but the family who's pitbull killed their 6 year old boy thought the same thing.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/soci...dults-party-rhode-island-described-scene-cujo
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/03/3483310/pit-bull-attacks-baby-in-dania.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/pit-bull-kills-union-city-boy_n_3460394.html
http://www.nj.com/south/index.ssf/2013/06/pit_bulls_attack_kill_neighbor.html
so all of these media outlets have some agenda against pitbulls? I dont know but I have a hard time believing the media of the world got together and decided to take a stand agains pitbulls.
the proof is in the statistics, I don't know how any argument can be made for them not being an aggressive dog. sure you might have one and it might be great, but the family who's pitbull killed their 6 year old boy thought the same thing.
And somehow your information that you get is pure, not tainted by the media, you just remember these percentages and list by memory and aren't googling on the fly. . . . along with the 100+ pits that have come through your house. . . . as long as you're sure that they were pits. because it's so hard to tell if it's a pit bull. Got it. You're the purveyor of truth and fact. Everything else is agenda-driven media.
It would seem that Pitt Bull attacks tend to be maulings in many cases, while lab, shepard, beagle, etc, tend to bite and not mame.
My friend, sweet loo, has a now 15yo pit bull named syd. He rescued her over a decade ago, as he is big into Pit Bull rehab and such. She comes off as a peach of a dog. She doesn't show any aggression unless someone, even playfully, advances on sweet loo, or, if small prey, including a raccoon, squirrel, cat, armadillo, possum, comes into view. In both cases, particularly the latter, the dog loses all control. She has torn up dozens of animals in her life and the manner in which she does so is scary. He tells me of the time she ripped up an armadillo in front of several cub scouts at a local hiking trail. Kids were crying, it was a mess. I have witnessed her tear up a squirrel.
Anyway, sweet loo knows that his dog is not welcome at my house or around my kids. Better safe than sorry.....
Anyway, sweet loo knows that his dog is not welcome at my house or around my kids. Better safe than sorry.....
I used to be scared of Pit Bulls, then my son got 2 and I've become attached to both as both are as gentle and playful and as nice as can be. I love those dogs and they completely changed my opinion about Pit Bulls.
NOW, since I posted this last night, I read the links posted by a few above, the 'victims reports' and did some various other research about them last night and earlier this morning and I'm right back to where I was before, scared shitless and very apprehensive about Pit Bulls.
I still love my son's dogs but there is no way I'm going to play rough with them anymore and I will not be putting my face right up to them to accept their gentle kisses anymore, especially after and when we are playing. Gonna be much more careful with them.
As far as how dogs are raised? I have 3 little dogs, all being raised the same way, all were little puppies when I got them. Two of them, the Yorkie and 6 pound Pomeranian would never bite, ever, but the 14 pound Pomeranian will bite you if you are a stranger.
She has bitten many but never breaks the skin except an old lady friend of my mother's. If Kaylee was a Pit Bull and knew she had the upper hand, I am positive she would have fucked up several people by now and other dogs as well. She just does not have the ability to hurt anybody.
NOW, since I posted this last night, I read the links posted by a few above, the 'victims reports' and did some various other research about them last night and earlier this morning and I'm right back to where I was before, scared shitless and very apprehensive about Pit Bulls.
I still love my son's dogs but there is no way I'm going to play rough with them anymore and I will not be putting my face right up to them to accept their gentle kisses anymore, especially after and when we are playing. Gonna be much more careful with them.
As far as how dogs are raised? I have 3 little dogs, all being raised the same way, all were little puppies when I got them. Two of them, the Yorkie and 6 pound Pomeranian would never bite, ever, but the 14 pound Pomeranian will bite you if you are a stranger.
She has bitten many but never breaks the skin except an old lady friend of my mother's. If Kaylee was a Pit Bull and knew she had the upper hand, I am positive she would have fucked up several people by now and other dogs as well. She just does not have the ability to hurt anybody.
