medical problems cause half of personal bankruptcies...

[Eddie Haskell]

65:

More lies from the right and middle america. Litigation costs are 1% of your health care bill. I know, Freeze et al like to blame the"threat" of litigation as the real bad guy. Makes docs practice defensive medicine. (I guess theres something wrong with that)

Lies, lies and more lies. The insurance companies and the ama have teamed up with the Bush administration and the corporate media to spin the """"crisis"""" to death. I call this the true axis of evil.

With all the tort reform legislation in all the states these days most med mal attys are getting out of this area. To all the quacks out there, please, please tell me how much your premiums drop. Laughing out loud.

The frivoulous lawsuit crisis was invented by the insurance companies, fertilized by the health care industry, watered by the Bush adminsitration and spread by the corporate media. Everyone wins except the trial lawyers and the dumbest group of people on the planet,.................. the american public.

People wake up. Your rights are being pissed away by the most criminal administration ever elected in the country.

Eddie

 

[dr. freeze]

lmao get a ambulance chaser telling us who is crooked

go help the little guy

you have created a really nice crisis

you and john edwarrds the fetus channeler

congratulations

 

[SixFive]

Interesting, Eddie. Did your alien friends tell you that when you were abducted last week?

 

[djv]

Docs want the government out of there face. But when there going to school they take all the grants from the government they can get. Plus there not against the borrow the money programs backed by the feds. The ones that over 1/4 never get payed back. Then the Government is there buddies. And of course it's more then just docs takeing the cash. But they say they need it becasue they go to school so long. When the last time they looked at why school has to be so long. Seems because someone set the rules 100 years ago they cant move into the modern times and get it done in 6 years. Maybe the old boys are just protecting there money pits.

 

[saint]

Dentist rant. I truly believe there are far more crooks and "over-treaters" in that industry than there are in general healthcare. Restorative dentistry is the thing now. IF you have silver colored fillings (amalgam) in your mouth as most of us do, THEY WILL NOT CAUSE CEREBAL PALSY or whatever else a dentist might tell you. Don't fall for the restorative bs. Many dentists now work for corporations who pay the building rent, pay for the equipment, and who pay their salaries, and if you don't think they have quotas on certain procedures, you are flat misled. Most people don't have dental insurance, and if they do, it sucks anyway. Being a dentist is a license to print money. If you want to get rich, don't go into medicine, go into dentistry. Rant off.

I have a good friend and member of my regular poker game who has supplied me with a lot of my dental industry knowledge plus what I have learned from my own life experiences. Not all dentists are crooks but enough are that you have to be knowledgeable and protect yourself. Just because a dentist says you need a fillling, crown, bridge, replacement fillings, zoom whitening, etc. doesn't make it so.

Unfortunately and sadly, it's true. There are a lot of dentists out there who are unethical. Unfortunately there aren't many watchdogs and people don't know any better about their mouth. I can already look at some of my classmates and pick out the ones who will over treat to make more money. My best advice to people is that if you fee like things aren't just right, go to another dentist. Make sure to take your xray so you don't get charged for another set, and get another opinion. As far as the whole silver fillings (amalgam) causing sickness...do not blame dentists for that. There was a program on 20/20 with such misinformation that created that scare. If you ever go to a dentist who says that to you make sure to turn around and walk out the door.

 

[Bombs]

65:

More lies from the right and middle america. Litigation costs are 1% of your health care bill. I know, Freeze et al like to blame the"threat" of litigation as the real bad guy. Makes docs practice defensive medicine. (I guess theres something wrong with that)

Lies, lies and more lies. The insurance companies and the ama have teamed up with the Bush administration and the corporate media to spin the """"crisis"""" to death. I call this the true axis of evil.

With all the tort reform legislation in all the states these days most med mal attys are getting out of this area. To all the quacks out there, please, please tell me how much your premiums drop. Laughing out loud.

The frivoulous lawsuit crisis was invented by the insurance companies, fertilized by the health care industry, watered by the Bush adminsitration and spread by the corporate media. Everyone wins except the trial lawyers and the dumbest group of people on the planet,.................. the american public.

People wake up. Your rights are being pissed away by the most criminal administration ever elected in the country.

Eddie

You must know you are misrepresenting the truth here. While lawsuits account for 1% of your bill in actual money, they account for a HUGE PERCENTAGE of the cost of medicine when you factor in all the unnecessary tests and hospital tests that are ordered to protect against lawsuits. I have seen and participated in this on a first hand basis. Like I said, everyone who walks into the ER gets a CT scan. You probably think that is a good thing.

 

[Bombs]

You know what, you guys are right. Doctors are crooks. They should get paid less than lawyers, businessmen, accountants, bankers, maintenance men, nurses, insuarance salesmen, whatever. Doctors are absolute frauds. They are actually out to hurt you. If they could make more money hurting you, they would. That's the ticket.

You guys have somehow determined that the problem with the healthcare system is doctors' salaries. Cut salaries in half and the system is still ****ed. And then you end up with shitty doctors because I guarantee you no one would go into it. About 80% of doctors I talked to when I decided to go to medical school tried to talk me out of it. Said it just wasn't worth it anymore. Looking back, they may have been right, but it was what I have wanted to do since I as far back as I can remember.

 

[SixFive]

You know what, you guys are right. Doctors are crooks. They should get paid less than lawyers, businessmen, accountants, bankers, maintenance men, nurses, insuarance salesmen, whatever. Doctors are absolute frauds. They are actually out to hurt you. If they could make more money hurting you, they would. That's the ticket.

You guys have somehow determined that the problem with the healthcare system is doctors' salaries. Cut salaries in half and the system is still ****ed. And then you end up with shitty doctors because I guarantee you no one would go into it. About 80% of doctors I talked to when I decided to go to medical school tried to talk me out of it. Said it just wasn't worth it anymore. Looking back, they may have been right, but it was what I have wanted to do since I as far back as I can remember.

Agree with you. THe problem is definitely NOT the salaries of physicians. I hold doctors in high esteem and have several close friends and poker buddies in that profession. THanks.

 

[THE KOD]

You guys have somehow determined that the problem with the healthcare system is doctors' salaries. Cut salaries in half and the system is still ****ed.

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No we havn't. Its a start.

Its just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[SixFive]

If you really want to get ripped off, go on vacation to a country that doesn't take insurance plans like we typically have here in the USA. I got pinkeye in Canada. I went to the local "ER", the nurse on the pt. floor called the doctor at home (he later told me he had friends over and was leading a bible study), and he diagnosed my problem, gave me medicine and sent me on my way. His fee was $113 American, and the "ER" fee was $175 American plus medicine which would have cost about $40 American. The same service here at home on a cash basis would have been much cheaper as I was given no tests, and the only equipment used was a 4x4 gauze. The doctor was a very nice man and we talked casually for several minutes, and I'd probably go to him if he practiced in Bowling Green. The fees were exorbitant, however. I am out right around $330 for this, and at home I would have paid less than a third of that with no insurance, and $50 with it.

 

[THE KOD]

 

[THE KOD]

You stated a lot of completely erroneous crap on here, that is why I got defensive. Trust me, I agree much needs to be done to fix our healthcare system. But it is not as bad as you make it out to me, and the care is still very, very good.

As a final point, my mother died of MS and was in and out of hospitals for 20 years. The hospitals and the insurance companies screwed us left and right with the bills. Even after she was DEAD, they were billing for things that the insurance company claimed took place. She died 2 years ago and my father is still haggling over some of them. So don't accuse me of being out of touch with your situation.

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Bombs

I stated the erroneous stuff hoping that someone would come in and state the correct information.
No one really can.

My brother died of MS also and my family fought with insurance co etc. Not only that but he went from a nursing home to a independant living center for about 3 years then had to go back before he died. I still think about him alot and that was ten years ago now.

Small world.

 

[THE KOD]

, the nurse on the pt. floor called the doctor at home (he later told me he had friends over and was leading a bible study), and he diagnosed my problem, gave me medicine and sent me on my way.

The fees were exorbitant, however. I am out right around $330 for this,

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If you broke up his bible study your lucky he didn't charge you 500.00.

They probably use that flexible system that most hospitals use around the country.

 

[THE KOD]

when you factor in all the unnecessary tests and hospital tests that are ordered to protect against lawsuits. I have seen and participated in this on a first hand basis. Like I said, everyone who walks into the ER gets a CT scan. You probably think that is a good thing.

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Thats a childish and irresponsible way to fight back at litigation costs.

So your telling me the mentality is :

if you do that then the hospital will just have to charge patients for every test known to mankind to make sure we didn't miss anything and can't be sued.

OK I will get Thelma Lou to typing on that bill right away. Wow thats going to be a whopper. Hope the patient has insurance is all I can say. Someone may be going Chaptor 13 on this bill.

There has to be a better way than this.

 

[djv]

I remember when Doc's even cared enough to make house calls. A practice that seemed to die in the late 60's. Now they make the elderly get to there office just like anyone else to see them. Even if they are sick or cant drive. If they don't have kids or a partner of some kind to take them to bad. Call a cab if they can walk to it. Other wise call a care van to take them that charges 50 bucks.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Scott:

It's not only a childish and irresponsible way to fight back at litigation costs, it is also a bold face lie. This guy and Freeze are two peas in a pod. This clown is a fraud.

Only time CT is ordered, unless it's obiviously needed in the ER, is after medications and a conservative course of treatment do not produce results. This Bombs guy ain't no doctor if makes generalized ludicrous statements like that.

Oh yeah, and Freeze stop with this doctors are wonderful true humanitarians who only want to help people for a pittance schtick. More lies. Have several good friends who are doctors who teach at UC Medical School.

They both agree that the vast majority (one said 90%) of med students are in it solely, yes solely, for the money. That has been my experience with practicing orthopaedic surgeons and neurosurgeons.

Too bad these clowns aren't good business men. They keep on screwing themselves on bad business and real estate deals so they need more money and find the trial lawyers a convenient target.

By the way, Bombs, we do have crap docs in this country. If you got the big bucks, no problem, you will get good medicine. If not, sol.

The reality is that your medical problems began in the golden age of medicine, the 80's when very, very greedy doctors were pulling in huge bucks. They got used to it and didn't count on the insurance companies practicing medicine in the 90's.

Medical crisis blame can be laid at the feet of the ama, the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical companies. Don't worry though boys, you've won the war, the public believes that getting rid of trial lawyers will make docs premiums drop precipitously, make docs stay in their communities and deliver babies, and make insurance companies stop dictating appropriate medical care.

Yeah, thats coming right around the bend. Make sure all the lawyers are gone and good times for all right? Right. The American public is being conned and they are giving up their rights day by day. Its very sad to watch the destruction of this country happening right before our eyes.

Eddie

 

[djv]

Right after tort reform they will come up with other reasons to raise our insurance premiums. If they get tort reform and drop doc's insurance rates say 25%. They should do the same for all of us. Put there money where there mouths is. In fact they should drop them for us now since there over charging.

 

[dr. freeze]

Only time CT is ordered, unless it's obiviously needed in the ER, is after medications and a conservative course of treatment do not produce results. This Bombs guy ain't no doctor if makes generalized ludicrous statements like that.


Eddie

lmao at your ignorance

is this what your doctor buddies tell you as well?

are they the ones you pay to say anything you want them to say on the witness stand?

 

[dr. freeze]

Oh yeah, and Freeze stop with this doctors are wonderful true humanitarians who only want to help people for a pittance schtick. More lies. Have several good friends who are doctors who teach at UC Medical School.

seems like this is exactly what i said when i quoted right up the page that 90% of us go into it for the money

and if you take away the money you will have french fry man and burger flipper man doing orthopedic and neurosurgery

then you will have a better business Ed.

 

[ocelot]

I'm almost weeping for you Doctor. This thread has certainly gone on awhile.

I may be an imbecile or whatever term of endearment you used but here is one from personal experience.

I'm sitting waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting for stitches after being admitted to a room from the ER while I can hear the on-duty doctor talking to his stock broker. Finally, I just get up and walk out and go home and wrap the finger up myself.

Anesthesiologists probably get sued at least as much as surgeons also. Yeah, I got many relatives serving as both doctors and nurses - lets see - 1 kidney doc, 1 anesthesiologist, 2 RNs and 1 LPN.