Michigan State Vs North Carolina - Final - KOD
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I have spent my time last night peacefully looking at every aspect of this final game coming up Monday night.
If I had lost last night I would not be playing on this game.
But here I am, and I am going to throw it the fawk down son !
North Carolina is a sold and very good team. Everyone expects them to win this game going away. I have heard by as much as 20 points.
The game I keyed in on is when North Carolina played Wake Forest. They lost. I can see alot of Michigan St comparisons to Wake Forest.
The crowd and home field advantage cannot be ignored. North Carolina beating them so bad at Ford Field plays into the mental aspect of North Carolina taking Michigan St too lightly.l
Michigan St beat some big boys getting here. You do not beat Louisville and Uconn without having a great team coming together at the right time.
The pressure is riding hard on North Carolina to win this game, as expected. Sometimes things dont turn out so good when expectations are so high.
North Carolina is due to play a game at the level of their opponant. That puts this moneyline play within reach.
The Michigan St coach will have them ready.
I believe
I believe
I believe
I smell money and it smells green !
KOD
I have spent my time last night peacefully looking at every aspect of this final game coming up Monday night.
If I had lost last night I would not be playing on this game.
But here I am, and I am going to throw it the fawk down son !
North Carolina is a sold and very good team. Everyone expects them to win this game going away. I have heard by as much as 20 points.
The game I keyed in on is when North Carolina played Wake Forest. They lost. I can see alot of Michigan St comparisons to Wake Forest.
The crowd and home field advantage cannot be ignored. North Carolina beating them so bad at Ford Field plays into the mental aspect of North Carolina taking Michigan St too lightly.l
Michigan St beat some big boys getting here. You do not beat Louisville and Uconn without having a great team coming together at the right time.
The pressure is riding hard on North Carolina to win this game, as expected. Sometimes things dont turn out so good when expectations are so high.
North Carolina is due to play a game at the level of their opponant. That puts this moneyline play within reach.
The Michigan St coach will have them ready.
I believe
I believe
I believe
I smell money and it smells green !
KOD
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I know that North Carolina has played much better defense in the tournament.
But I think this is the game where their defense may be exposed, making this much closer than it should be.
North Carolina has all NBA players, North Carolina
is going to wipe the floor with Michigan St,
North Carolina dont have to even play this game to win. They can win this game sleep walking
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I hate it when its this easy
But I think this is the game where their defense may be exposed, making this much closer than it should be.
North Carolina has all NBA players, North Carolina
is going to wipe the floor with Michigan St,
North Carolina dont have to even play this game to win. They can win this game sleep walking
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I hate it when its this easy
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See what I mean fellows
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See what I mean fellows
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UNC played high screens differently that allowed guards to penetrate like they did against wake and also BC.
You won't find that info anywhere on the net but it's why carolina hasn't been torched in that fashion since. Perimeter defensive scheme was changed after that game and things were drastically different. Trying to correlate an event from early January to now isn't the most accurate. Doesn't mean they can't win but I wouldn't base it on that.
You won't find that info anywhere on the net but it's why carolina hasn't been torched in that fashion since. Perimeter defensive scheme was changed after that game and things were drastically different. Trying to correlate an event from early January to now isn't the most accurate. Doesn't mean they can't win but I wouldn't base it on that.
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I'm not . I got alot of other things that add up
to the moneyline play.
When Michigan St lost to North Carolina months ago , they played without Gibran Seton sp
and I think a few other players were injured.
Seton is one of Michigan Sts best players.
So who are you rooting for Homer ?
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so where did you get that information
I think as usual you do not know what your talking about.
SI.com: What did Michigan State do right?
SD: Michigan State got positive contributions from everyone who stepped on the floor. There's nobody who played for Michigan State tonight who didn't impact the game. It's breathtaking. Ten different guys scored, their bench outscored UConn's 33-7. Raymar Morgan was the guy, at the start of the year, who was thought to be the Big Ten player of the year, and when Tom Izzo came to the set after we were done talking to him on camera, he said he had a talk with Raymar. Morgan is too hard on himself and gets down and then he had the added adversity of the broken nose and the mask which is uncomfortable, and he's had a bad tournament and had one made field goal in the previous three games, but comes out tonight and had 18 points, nine rebounds.
SI.com: What did North Carolina do right today?
SD: They shot it great and they always shoot it great, but tonight they were 11 for 22 from three-point range. They only shot 31 percent in the second half, but by then it didn't matter. They could have shot it better if it did. They defended very well. For a team that has won as much as they have and in their second-straight Final Four, their defense is questioned a lot and I think the doubts are overdone. One thing about Villanova is they're great about driving the ball and getting to the foul line, but tonight 'Nova shot 16 free throws, and shot 27 three-pointers, which is bad. They shot 5 for 27 from the three. In comparison, Wayne Ellington goes 5 for 7 from the three, so he had as many made and 20 less attempts.
SI.com: What does Michigan State need to do to top North Carolina?
SD: They've got to outtough them and get into their bench. The only reserve who plays well for UNC is Ed Davis, but after that, it's Bobby Frasor, and Tyler Zeller and little bit of Larry Drew, so they basically have no bench. Michigan State lives for its bench, so they can wear them out physically and can rotate a lot of bigs on Tyler Hansbrough. They need help from UNC, so at some point you're going to have to hope that they miss and then go get the rebound
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SD: Michigan State got positive contributions from everyone who stepped on the floor. There's nobody who played for Michigan State tonight who didn't impact the game. It's breathtaking. Ten different guys scored, their bench outscored UConn's 33-7. Raymar Morgan was the guy, at the start of the year, who was thought to be the Big Ten player of the year, and when Tom Izzo came to the set after we were done talking to him on camera, he said he had a talk with Raymar. Morgan is too hard on himself and gets down and then he had the added adversity of the broken nose and the mask which is uncomfortable, and he's had a bad tournament and had one made field goal in the previous three games, but comes out tonight and had 18 points, nine rebounds.
SI.com: What did North Carolina do right today?
SD: They shot it great and they always shoot it great, but tonight they were 11 for 22 from three-point range. They only shot 31 percent in the second half, but by then it didn't matter. They could have shot it better if it did. They defended very well. For a team that has won as much as they have and in their second-straight Final Four, their defense is questioned a lot and I think the doubts are overdone. One thing about Villanova is they're great about driving the ball and getting to the foul line, but tonight 'Nova shot 16 free throws, and shot 27 three-pointers, which is bad. They shot 5 for 27 from the three. In comparison, Wayne Ellington goes 5 for 7 from the three, so he had as many made and 20 less attempts.
SI.com: What does Michigan State need to do to top North Carolina?
SD: They've got to outtough them and get into their bench. The only reserve who plays well for UNC is Ed Davis, but after that, it's Bobby Frasor, and Tyler Zeller and little bit of Larry Drew, so they basically have no bench. Michigan State lives for its bench, so they can wear them out physically and can rotate a lot of bigs on Tyler Hansbrough. They need help from UNC, so at some point you're going to have to hope that they miss and then go get the rebound
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yeah, call me out about carolina basketball. good one
do what you want dipshit
It's called an original thought.
I forgot you lack the mental ability to formulate one. Which is why all you do is cut and paste like a monkey.
Here you go monkey. Since all you believe is something sourced from the internet.
http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/852338.html
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. ? If there has been any negative press surrounding this North Carolina program over the past several seasons, it has revolved around the Tar Heels? defensive effort. And so it?s fitting that with six days remaining in the 2008-09 campaign, defense will likely define the program?s 18th Final Four.
When you listen to the national media pundits discuss this weekend?s Final Four participants, take note of how many times each of the teams are praised for the defensive prowess. Chances are that Connecticut, Villanova and Michigan State are lumped together as stalwarts of offensive resistance while North Carolina is labeled as the one squad needing to overcome their deficiencies in that regard.
And there is some evidence to back up those claims ? UConn ranks third in kenpom.com?s adjusted defensive efficiency rankings (84.2 points allowed per 100 possessions) while Michigan State (9th ? 88.3) and Villanova (15th ? 89.7) are positioned higher than UNC (18th ? 90.6). The Tar Heels were 19th (89.6) heading into the 2008 Final Four.
But the slight discrepancy in those statistics pales in comparison to North Carolina?s dominance on the offensive side of the equation. UNC holds down the No. 1 spot in kenpom?s adjusted offensive efficiency rankings (123.8), while UConn (12th - 117.0), Villanova (19th - 115.7) and Michigan State (23rd - 114.6) trail by a much wider margin.
And if effort is the driving force behind defensive play, wouldn?t it be logical to assume that North Carolina has more potential to close that gap than the Spartans do in developing a more efficient offense over the next six days?
That theory gains legitimate building blocks when factoring in the Tar Heels? recent improvements on the defensive end of the floor ? which began with a loss, coincidentally. With Ty Lawson sidelined at the ACC Tournament, UNC held Florida State to just one field goal in 16 tries over a nine-minute, 52-second stretch in the first half.
In NCAA second round action, LSU connected on seven of its first eight field goals after halftime to use a 15-3 spurt to build a 44-41 lead, but the Tar Heels held the Tigers to 38.4 percent (10-of-26) over the final 16:38 in the 14-point victory.
And in last Sunday?s 72-60 win over Oklahoma in the Elite Eight, the Sooners didn?t post their second field goal of the day until nearly seven minutes into the ball game and with North Carolina holding a double-digit lead.
?I think we?re better overall,? Roy Williams said about his team?s defense during Tuesday?s press conference. ?I think we?re better seeing the big picture. Not just staring at our man or staring at the ball, we?re seeing what the other team is trying to do. I think we?re better at reacting or acting because we see the big picture. We?re a little better denying, but not a great deal. We?re a little better at keeping the basketball in front of us, but not a great deal. But I think we are better as a team.?
Lawson drew criticism following mid-season losses to Boston College and Wake Forest due to guards Tyrese Rice and Jeff Teague exploding for 25 and 34, respectively. But the ACC Player of the Year detailed the reason behind those lapses on Tuesday, indicating that UNC?s perimeter strategy was to go under ball screens, which provided those guards open looks. And by the time the defender jumped back out to defend the jump shots, Rice and everyone else took advantage with dribble penetration.
Those days are over. North Carolina has returned to its standard method of fighting through ball screens, which when executed properly, cuts down on open looks and makes it more difficult for opposing guards to get into the lane.
?The last two weekends I feel like we?ve played a lot better defense and are putting more detail into rotating and staying in front of our man,? Lawson said. ?It?s more of a focus now to play defense than it was earlier in the year.?
On Monday, Williams described his labors to get his squad to completely buy into his defensive approach as a ?sales job.? For a Hall of Fame coach that?s been known to tell this group of players that he?s never seen a bad defensive team win a national championship, he?s hoping one last hurrah is enough to drive the point home.
?We are getting there, definitely,? senior forward Danny Green said. ?These last two games that we?ve played, I think we did a great job ? well, not a great job ? but a really good job defensively of picking it up and rotating and helping each other out? When we can do that, it gets our offense going. When we get steals and run out, we?re able to run out and get easy baskets on the other end.?
Which brings us back to North Carolina?s potent offensive attack. The Tar Heels? last three opponents have all connected on better than 44.0 percent of their field goals, yet still managed to lose by an average of 15.7 points, with no one closer than 12. UNC is now 65-1 over the past two seasons when connecting on better than 40.0 percent of its field goals.
Could it be that a great defensive effort at the Final Four is not required for the Tar Heels to bring the hardware home to Chapel Hill for a fifth time? Would a merely decent showing suffice?
?I just think that our offense is always so good that it takes away from our defense,? junior Deon Thompson said. ?But I think that our defense has improved, dating back from [the Georgetown loss in ?07] to now, and even from the beginning of the season. I just think that our defense always gets knocked on because we can score the ball so well. Our defense does need to be good. I don?t know that it necessarily needs to be great because we can score the ball so well, but it definitely has to be above average to beat good teams.?
Following Sunday?s win over Oklahoma, Wayne Ellington told reporters that the Tar Heels could ?turn that [defensive] switch when we want to.? While Williams and the North Carolina fan base would much prefer that engine to be cranked and running for 80 minutes in the Motor City this weekend, there?s plenty of evidence to suggest that only a fraction of that time might work sufficiently.
http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/852338.html
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. ? If there has been any negative press surrounding this North Carolina program over the past several seasons, it has revolved around the Tar Heels? defensive effort. And so it?s fitting that with six days remaining in the 2008-09 campaign, defense will likely define the program?s 18th Final Four.
When you listen to the national media pundits discuss this weekend?s Final Four participants, take note of how many times each of the teams are praised for the defensive prowess. Chances are that Connecticut, Villanova and Michigan State are lumped together as stalwarts of offensive resistance while North Carolina is labeled as the one squad needing to overcome their deficiencies in that regard.
And there is some evidence to back up those claims ? UConn ranks third in kenpom.com?s adjusted defensive efficiency rankings (84.2 points allowed per 100 possessions) while Michigan State (9th ? 88.3) and Villanova (15th ? 89.7) are positioned higher than UNC (18th ? 90.6). The Tar Heels were 19th (89.6) heading into the 2008 Final Four.
But the slight discrepancy in those statistics pales in comparison to North Carolina?s dominance on the offensive side of the equation. UNC holds down the No. 1 spot in kenpom?s adjusted offensive efficiency rankings (123.8), while UConn (12th - 117.0), Villanova (19th - 115.7) and Michigan State (23rd - 114.6) trail by a much wider margin.
And if effort is the driving force behind defensive play, wouldn?t it be logical to assume that North Carolina has more potential to close that gap than the Spartans do in developing a more efficient offense over the next six days?
That theory gains legitimate building blocks when factoring in the Tar Heels? recent improvements on the defensive end of the floor ? which began with a loss, coincidentally. With Ty Lawson sidelined at the ACC Tournament, UNC held Florida State to just one field goal in 16 tries over a nine-minute, 52-second stretch in the first half.
In NCAA second round action, LSU connected on seven of its first eight field goals after halftime to use a 15-3 spurt to build a 44-41 lead, but the Tar Heels held the Tigers to 38.4 percent (10-of-26) over the final 16:38 in the 14-point victory.
And in last Sunday?s 72-60 win over Oklahoma in the Elite Eight, the Sooners didn?t post their second field goal of the day until nearly seven minutes into the ball game and with North Carolina holding a double-digit lead.
?I think we?re better overall,? Roy Williams said about his team?s defense during Tuesday?s press conference. ?I think we?re better seeing the big picture. Not just staring at our man or staring at the ball, we?re seeing what the other team is trying to do. I think we?re better at reacting or acting because we see the big picture. We?re a little better denying, but not a great deal. We?re a little better at keeping the basketball in front of us, but not a great deal. But I think we are better as a team.?
Lawson drew criticism following mid-season losses to Boston College and Wake Forest due to guards Tyrese Rice and Jeff Teague exploding for 25 and 34, respectively. But the ACC Player of the Year detailed the reason behind those lapses on Tuesday, indicating that UNC?s perimeter strategy was to go under ball screens, which provided those guards open looks. And by the time the defender jumped back out to defend the jump shots, Rice and everyone else took advantage with dribble penetration.
Those days are over. North Carolina has returned to its standard method of fighting through ball screens, which when executed properly, cuts down on open looks and makes it more difficult for opposing guards to get into the lane.
?The last two weekends I feel like we?ve played a lot better defense and are putting more detail into rotating and staying in front of our man,? Lawson said. ?It?s more of a focus now to play defense than it was earlier in the year.?
On Monday, Williams described his labors to get his squad to completely buy into his defensive approach as a ?sales job.? For a Hall of Fame coach that?s been known to tell this group of players that he?s never seen a bad defensive team win a national championship, he?s hoping one last hurrah is enough to drive the point home.
?We are getting there, definitely,? senior forward Danny Green said. ?These last two games that we?ve played, I think we did a great job ? well, not a great job ? but a really good job defensively of picking it up and rotating and helping each other out? When we can do that, it gets our offense going. When we get steals and run out, we?re able to run out and get easy baskets on the other end.?
Which brings us back to North Carolina?s potent offensive attack. The Tar Heels? last three opponents have all connected on better than 44.0 percent of their field goals, yet still managed to lose by an average of 15.7 points, with no one closer than 12. UNC is now 65-1 over the past two seasons when connecting on better than 40.0 percent of its field goals.
Could it be that a great defensive effort at the Final Four is not required for the Tar Heels to bring the hardware home to Chapel Hill for a fifth time? Would a merely decent showing suffice?
?I just think that our offense is always so good that it takes away from our defense,? junior Deon Thompson said. ?But I think that our defense has improved, dating back from [the Georgetown loss in ?07] to now, and even from the beginning of the season. I just think that our defense always gets knocked on because we can score the ball so well. Our defense does need to be good. I don?t know that it necessarily needs to be great because we can score the ball so well, but it definitely has to be above average to beat good teams.?
Following Sunday?s win over Oklahoma, Wayne Ellington told reporters that the Tar Heels could ?turn that [defensive] switch when we want to.? While Williams and the North Carolina fan base would much prefer that engine to be cranked and running for 80 minutes in the Motor City this weekend, there?s plenty of evidence to suggest that only a fraction of that time might work sufficiently.
