Mike Vick vs. Mary Winkler

saint

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You aren't even in the same ballpark as what I said.

To me, an innocent life is an innocent life. I agree, the line becomes tough to draw, where does it stop? At a Grasshopper or Butterfly? Or somewhere way before that? My point is what Vick did deserved punishment! Just because some skank got off for capping her husband who beat her for years doesn't mean Vick shouldn't be in jail.

And the only argument I can get back is we eat animals, therefore we are superior.:shrug:

Suppose someone was holding you at gunpoint and had your mother [insert someone important to you] and your dog (if you don't have one, pretend..you pretend to be enough of other things here)... and said, I am either going to kill this person, or your dog. You get the choice, and it will be only 1 of them.

Tell me which one you would choose. And spare me the "i couldn't decide i love animals as much as humans".

Then, tell me why you ended up choosing what you did.

Then tell me there's not a difference b/w people and animals.
 

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damn... this brings up a memory!

I was in HS and just broke up w/ my ex and started dating another chick..

My ex then preceded to say the same thing.. my answer was... and yes.. I am pretty slick... I said... well... umm... It would be me!

Can't burn the bridges!
 

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Suppose someone was holding you at gunpoint and had your mother [insert someone important to you] and your dog (if you don't have one, pretend..you pretend to be enough of other things here)... and said, I am either going to kill this person, or your dog. You get the choice, and it will be only 1 of them.

Tell me which one you would choose. And spare me the "i couldn't decide i love animals as much as humans".

Then, tell me why you ended up choosing what you did.

Then tell me there's not a difference b/w people and animals.

i dont think it even has to be a loved one....i think anyone would save another human being over their animal.....unless its some criminal
 

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Suppose someone was holding you at gunpoint and had your mother [insert someone important to you] and your dog (if you don't have one, pretend..you pretend to be enough of other things here)... and said, I am either going to kill this person, or your dog. You get the choice, and it will be only 1 of them.

Tell me which one you would choose. And spare me the "i couldn't decide i love animals as much as humans".

Then, tell me why you ended up choosing what you did.

Then tell me there's not a difference b/w people and animals.

No offense to you personally saint, but these hypothetical situations that people always try to use to break down another's ethical point of view are ridiculous. As a pacifist, I am used to this sort of question. The fact is, this is a completely hypothetical situation - something that will never happen, so why should anyone have to invent a hypothetical answer that might undermine personal ethics that they really believe?

What is relevant is how one acts and what they believe in every day life. One cannot say how they would act in hypothetical situations, because they are exactly that - it applies ethics in conditional situations, not meaningful ones. You could break down anyone's point of view with hypothetical questions.

Just my take on it... I'll spare you all my views on animals and people.
 

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No offense to you personally saint, but these hypothetical situations that people always try to use to break down another's ethical point of view are ridiculous. As a pacifist, I am used to this sort of question. The fact is, this is a completely hypothetical situation - something that will never happen, so why should anyone have to invent a hypothetical answer that might undermine personal ethics that they really believe?

Quite the contrary, hypothetical situations do not serve to undermine personal ethics. In fact, they do the opposite. That's why hypothetical situations are the basis for most types of ethical tests.

The following is a hypothetical situation:

If a store clerk hands you 10 dollars extra without noticing, do you take it or do you alert them to your mistake.

The answer to this will tell you a lot about the ethics of this person in this type of situation. Sure, it may not directly happen, but I don't see how you feel this type of question causes a breakdown in personal morals.
 

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back on point...there was next to no evidence that the preacher ever abused winkler...only her word....

against his...lol

she let him lay there...he didn`t die immediately from her own testimony...she didn`t have a pang of conscience and call 911...she let him die...

there were no calls to police alleging abuse......i don`t recall anyone testifying that winkler was abused...other than maybe her immediate family...

all she had to say was,"i was abused' and bring some "f-ck me heels" to court....

and a bunch of morons let her go....

in my old hometown of b`more if theres black on white crime,the states attorney always begs the plaintiffs to plea deal because the black juries frequently give the thugs a slap on the wrist..... even in the most heinous,obvious cases....and then,the thugs get back on the street to prey mostly on the black community....

but,they don`t care...

i don`t know how many women were on that jury,but,i`ll bet more than a couple....

people just can`t get past their own biases.....even in deadly serious situations...

and that`s why our jury system is patently flawed...
 
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saint

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back on point...there was next to no evidence that the preacher ever abused winkler...only her word....

against his...lol

she let him lay there...he didn`t die immediately from her own testimony...she didn`t have a pang of conscience and call 911...she let him die...

there were no calls to police alleging abuse......i don`t recall anyone testifying that winkler was abused...other than maybe her immediate family...

all she had to say was,"i was abused' and bring some "f-ck me heels" to court....

and a bunch of morons let her go....

in my old hometown of b`more if theres black on white crime,the states attorney always begs the plaintiffs to plea deal because the black juries frequently give the thugs a slap on the wrist..... even in the most heinous,obvious cases....and then,the thugs get back on the street to prey mostly on the black community....

but,they don`t care...

i don`t know how many women were on that jury,but,i`ll bet more than a couple....

people just can`t get past their own biases.....even in deadly serious situations...

and that`s why our jury system is patently flawed...

please take your coherently-written, well thought out, on-topic response to another website, they are not welcome here.
 

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true... most crime is intra racial...

I am getting fed up w/ black vs white BS...

Does it even matter? I have many friends that are black.. and they think the same thing...
 

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please take your coherently-written, well thought out, on-topic response to another website, they are not welcome here.

thanks....i apologize for ranting.....but,we see the same stuff in the political forum....

just recently,it seems the lefties(who i really like and respect,btw) would rather see civilization evaporated than use a harmless method of coerced interrogation like waterboarding to save their own skins....

(unless, of course, they can use it on bush and cheney).....:rimshot
 
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Quite the contrary, hypothetical situations do not serve to undermine personal ethics. In fact, they do the opposite. That's why hypothetical situations are the basis for most types of ethical tests.

The following is a hypothetical situation:

If a store clerk hands you 10 dollars extra without noticing, do you take it or do you alert them to your mistake.

The answer to this will tell you a lot about the ethics of this person in this type of situation. Sure, it may not directly happen, but I don't see how you feel this type of question causes a breakdown in personal morals.


This situation could and does happen to just about everyone. However the other quiz you threw out there has likely NEVER happened to anyone, ever.
 
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