"intense operator"(wow,pretty heavy handle you must be very young):When reading my threads,yes,you can always assume I'm talkting about opening lines.Tell me,what is the sense of noting how a team does against a line thats been moved past two or three primary numbers from where it started?Or did I lose you there?To me the point is noting where Las Vegas oddsmakers handicapped the game,not where it ended up after abunch of people bet and moved the line,following a winning play,as was the case with the cleve/Baltimore total,which was bet down past the winning number by people following the money,which opened at 39 and 38- originally. .I log how a team does as a home and road fav,a home and road dog,their ATS performance on turf or grass,and their o/u at home,and the o/u on road turf and grass.ALWAYS AGAINST THE OPENING LINE.As the season progresses a lot of trends appear,especially on the road.I've been doing it this way for thirty years,it leads me to lots of winning plays,and I just gave out a team and total winner on monday night that you probably could have gotten out of the hole with had you not been such a doubting thomas.This type of hositlity is why you get the same tired,mostly losing and unknowledgeable players posting over and over again,while most people who actually know anything about handicapping just move on,I know intense one,cause I've been around here a lot longer than you.So,please don't bother reading my threads if you don't like what I have to say,I won't miss your negativity(your handle choice sayes more about you than you can possibly understand,or you wouldn't have chosen it) and if you aren't here to learn what you can from other people,like I am,why are you here?(Don't worry,this is a rhetorical question,please don't feel compelled to answer,cause I don't really care why you're here...........)