Monday $1250 Play (No dream this time!!)

Teddy KGB

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The kid has got aligator eyes
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As you all can tell our opinions and advice arent gonna change anything so.. nothing left to do now... just pray to allah!
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Interesting topic.

My opinion may surprise a few people.

Assuming you DO have access to additional money (in other words, you can raise a stake for next season -- be it football or baseball, or whatever), you should be MORE INCLINED to make a bet of this kind the smaller your bankroll gets in proportio to your initial stake. If indeed, your GOAL was to make 2x of your initial bankroll (over the course of the season), and you have now lost 50 percent of the BR to date, it is not a bad play to shoot the entire BR on a single game. This assumes, of course, that you have done your research and there are VERY compelling reasons for making the play (i.e., a bet on the Dodgers). This also assumes you are a man of your word and will not make a bet again on baseball this season, if you lose. If you continue betting after you lose, this would be absolutely suicidal.

Conversely, the LARGER your BR becomes the LESS LIKELY you should be willing to make sizable wagers, or a wager of this kind. If you start with $10K and three months later you are at $15K, it would be preposterous to bet the entire BR on a single game. However, if you have lost half of the BR and you are at $5K, it is a justifyable action to bet very large on a single game -- assuming your goal is to make $20K. If your BR is only $2K or $3K, it's almost mandatory that you do this (bet it all on one game) -- that is if you still want to meet your goal.

This topic is analogous to the concepts of money management adressed by the world's foremost gambling authority, David Sklansky (who resently read me the riot act for a column I wrote about hourly and annual earning expectation in poker). David suggested that the closer you are to bankruptcy, the MORE RISK you can afford to take. For example, a poker player that has only a $500 BR would be advised to go ahead an sit in a $10-20 game (not a $2-4 game), because that way he can quickly get back to the level of betting that will enable him to reach his initial financial goals.

Similarly, if you are a sports bettor and you started with X dollars, then lose half the money -- assuming you are comfortable with taking a few months off if you lose, it is perfectly defensible to shoot the entire BR on a solid play which, if you win, will put you in a much better position to reach whatever esoteric numbers you had in mind.

HOWEVER, THIS IS TOTALLY PREDICATED ON HAVING A JOB OR OTHER MEANS TO GET MONEY, IF YOU LOSE. IF YOU ARE GAMBLING FOR A LIVING AND HAVE NO FINANCIAL MEANS, YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO MAKE THIS RISK.

-- Nolan Dalla

[This message has been edited by Nolan Dalla (edited 06-11-2001).]
 

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nolan i don't think anyones opinion should be suprising everyone looks at if from a different angle and perspective. but if you read the post from yesterday there was no analysis just a play based upon a dream he said he had. ok that does not sound like a veteran gambler, sounds like a young person trying to make a quick buck imo. if this is so bail out while you can, wrong approach. i don't see to many veterans betting on dreams even though you wonder about visionary sometimes but hence his username.
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why do we care anyway it's not our bankroll is it? the reason we care is because if you have been around gambling, we all know what can happen to certain people who try to get even on the big score. doesn't happen often. hopefully either by winning or losing a lesson can be learned and he holds true to his word and quits.
 

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He's basing his play on a dream???????

(Getting up off of floor from fainting spell)

I take back what I said then (Actually, I stated that I presumed the wager was based on sound logic).

Anyone that believes in these astrological or supernatural forces vis-a-vis having an impact on gambling results needs to subscribe to either of two magazines -- either SKEPTIC or THE SKEPTICAL INQUIRER, both of which routinely debunk myths and superstitions. Handicapping is a scoence, and some may say an art. It is NOT something that should be influenced by dream interpretation or divine inspiration.

My apologies if I confused anyone with my opinions.

-- Nolan Dalla
 

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read yesterdays post and you conclude what is meant by it. if there was some type of reasoning behind his play then I would not have even posted to the thread. to each his own. just does not sound like a serious gambler to me. gl to all
 

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THE SKEPTICAL INQUIRER, is a great magazine, Also anything written by the Amazing Randy; sorry off topic.

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Nolan,

I hate to put words in your mouth, so please correct me if I am mistaken, but a huge part of your original comment was that it is key not to continue betting on that sport or section (this time being baseball) should the game lose. If you do happen to blow your bank, do not add to it, as you may lose more. Just wanted to reiterate that part, as it is critical. I hope my interpretation is correct, apologies in advance if I have misconstrued your comments.

Wondo
 

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looks like its the beginning of the end for 34.....99...

La looks ok on the surface...then you realize that even though Texas stinks they have the best hitting team in MLB..so if their bats are hot...this cat will go down in flames on that -2000.00
i would have waited until tuesday and laid it on the Yankees at -145
 

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Kosar? Junior? Ah nevermind, it would just be a waste of time. I guess it's just one of those things that you MUST learn on your own.


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Originally posted by wondo:
Nolan,

I hate to put words in your mouth, so please correct me if I am mistaken, but a huge part of your original comment was that it is key not to continue betting on that sport or section (this time being baseball) should the game lose. If you do happen to blow your bank, do not add to it, as you may lose more. Just wanted to reiterate that part, as it is critical. I hope my interpretation is correct, apologies in advance if I have misconstrued your comments.

Wondo

REPLY: Yes, indeed Wondo. If the actual goal is to reach a certain level of wins or a financial mark, then the premise is valid. You should be MORE LIKELY TO TAKE RISK the lower your bankroll goes, as opposed to BEING LESS LIKELY TO TAKE RISK (proportionally), as your bankroll increases. The "single bet theory" is entirely predicated on the BR being finite (non-replinshable) for the duration of the season. Otherwise, this would indeed be a very foolish wager.

I do not mean to pass judgment, but if the original poster was getting his games based on a dream sequence, then I can infer he would not be discplined enough to use the total BR as a stop-loss. Hence, my initial observations would be entirely inappropriate for this individual.

-- Nolan Dalla
 

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Nolan, i like your stuff but you have your head in the clouds on this issue(much like the dreamweaver). dont be so clinical. of course technically you are right, but you need to take into account the audience. you know what i mean, the emotional aspects that most gamblers cant handle losing this sort of % of the BR. he has already lost a lot of it, now he is trying to lose the rest of it. whether he bet the first on a dream or on a 'Gods tip' is irrelevant. and your advice is counterproductive. i really have to wonder if you've seen the downside of this...it ain't pretty, son.
 

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I dont post very often but this topic really intrigued me as I come from a family of math fanatics(though i fell far from the tree). Basically the argument hinges on the goal of the bettor, like nolan said. What is the best play to achieve his goal. Should he look at the first bet as lost and gone and lower his bet to avoid losing the entire bankroll and try to progressive get his bets back up to the original level? This seems to be the smart and logical play, but not to achieve the original set goal. I hope im not repeating Nolan, but having been betting for a while, I know its very hard to eke out a winning percnetage that will obtain a respectable profit over a season. Betting $100 will take an enormous amount of research and skill to produce the result this guy wants . It would be better to analyze one really strong play and go for it. There is alot I'm leaving out because im not sure i understand everything that goes into probability and such.
 

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DOWN GOES FRAZIER!!! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!!!


naaa just kidding, hope they pull it out for ya.gl
 

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I'm new to this forum but this guy is only down 12.5 units based on $100 unit. Big Deal!! Its not even half way through the season. If this person doesn't want to put the time in then why even try to cap in the first place. If you just want to double the bank roll follow someone elses picks for the season, join a service, be smart about it. Dont just blow 3 Grand on a few games with over half the season left.

As for Nollan's thoughts on betting it all. If you have an infinite amount of plays available then you should never bet it all but just adjust your wager amount appropriately as you are supposedly playing a winning game so thus you will eventually win. However if you have a finite amount of plays available then the closer you come to the end of the plays the more you will need to wager in order to reach your goal.

Anyway

My prediction 34399 will soon be -34399.
 

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All I know is tonights Dodgers game was not the one to bet your season on. I think if I was going all or nothing I might look to the Mariners or at least when a superb pitcher was going against a scrub team, something with a little more substance behind it. How about anyone vs. the D-rays. As someone earlier pointed out, the Rangers have a great hitting club so why risk it against them. I like the balls of going for it, but I just think he could have picked a better game. Still rooting for you, 8-3 bottom of 7 with a man on, you never know.....
 

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Guess i'll be the first to say Told You So!
Anyways... I hope this just is a lesson you can learn by. We all say all our comments cuz we are protecting you. I hope you dont get mad at us but we were looking out for your best interest, but you took a shot... you missed but you took it now learn.. and play small if you want.. 25$ bets here and there and gear up for football season. But dont try to win back 3 grand tomorrow!
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This is exactly why you NEVER bet everything on just one game. Especially the Dodgers, they are one of the WORST teams to put your money behind.

As someone stated earlier, if you MUST put everything on the line why not put it all behind Seattle, or against the Rays or Pitt? Seems that would be the way to go
 
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