More State Workers Greed

[PRO190]

Fk the TaxPayer
Not this time You ScumBags because REP Nass is going to Nail Your Double Dipping Ass..
Nass was just on Talk Radio with specifics and You DDippers are in his Crosshairs



GREEN BAY, WI (WTAQ) - State officials are investigating to see if UW-Green Bay acted illegally, when it brought back a retired vice chancellor and paid him his old salary on top of his retirement benefits.

State Assembly Colleges Committee chairman Steve Nass demanded answers ? and he canceled a public hearing set for Thursday on a bill to let Green Bay and some other campuses raise their tuitions.

Nass said the double payments to Vice Chancellor Tom Maki raised doubts about the leadership on the Green Bay campus.

Maki, the school?s top finance officer, retired in March. That was when thousands of state workers were quitting, amid fears that they?d lose their benefits after Governor Scott Walker had moved to drop most union bargaining privileges.

A month later, Green Bay Chancellor Tom Harden rehired Maki and paid him his previous salary of $131,000 a year as a limited-term employee. By then, Maki was drawing retirement benefits estimated at up to $70,000 a year.

Chancellor Harden said he did nothing wrong ? and he needed Maki to come back to deal with a planned 11 percent reduction in the school?s budget.

State law allows the hiring of retirees if they?ve been away for at least 30 days ? and they don?t reach a re-hiring agreement before they leave.

Shawn Smith of the state Department of Employee Trust Funds said 1,100 state retirees have come back this year. But Smith said Maki may not have ever left his job if he struck a rehiring deal before he left ? and that?s what the agency will look into.

The chancellor said he did everything by the book. Maki refuses comment.

 

[Skulnik]

We have the same problem in Missouri, people taking retirement and coming back as consultants.

PITY REALLY, like they can't find someone else to do the JOB.

:0008

 

[PRO190]

We have the same problem in Missouri, people taking retirement and coming back as consultants.

PITY REALLY, like they can't find someone else to do the JOB.

:0008

Anything to Exploit the Taxpayer..
These Fkrs at UWGB will be FACING CHARGES if Rep. NASS gets his way!!!
Nass has Emails showing this was all being set up before the Mandatory 30 Day wait and Job Posting LAW!!!!!!!

 

[Duff Miver]

So what's the big deal? Every day senior military officers retire, draw their retirement, and go right back to the Pentagon as Consultants to the DoD.

Try a different whine line.

 

[Trench]

So what's the big deal? Every day senior military officers retire, draw their retirement, and go right back to the Pentagon as Consultants to the DoD.

Try a different whine line.

"But war good. Education bad."

 

[ssd]

It's complete and utter bullshit no matter who does it.

Has happened several times recently in my community. I bitched about it here. Know what I got - a visit from the fire inspector.

Fricking bullshit shakedown from the city government.

 

[Duff Miver]

I bitched about it here. Know what I got - a visit from the fire inspector.

Payback's a bitch.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I'm not going to say it is right, but the taxpayers aren't getting screwed. If the guy sits at home and collects retirement, someone has to get paid to replace them....and that will be a fully fringed employee. OR, they can bring back the retired worker and pay him salary only (he's already getting retiree benefits) which is a much better deal for the business/state.

:facepalm:

 

[StevieD]

Not saying it is right but what is the big deal. The taxes from one of these multimillion dollar CEO bonuses could pay for a thousand of those state workers.

 

[marine]

So what's the big deal? Every day senior military officers retire, draw their retirement, and go right back to the Pentagon as Consultants to the DoD.

Try a different whine line.

pfffffffffftt. there's a lot more scrutiny on the senior officer side of the house to make absolute certain there is no tricky business.

 

[Duff Miver]

pfffffffffftt. there's a lot more scrutiny on the senior officer side of the house to make absolute certain there is no tricky business.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Updated 11/18/2009 9:39 AM
Retired military officers cash in as well-paid consultants




By Tom Vanden Brook, Ken Dilanian and Ray Locker, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON ? Six months after Marine Lt. Gen. Gary McKissock retired in 2002, he did what many other ex-military leaders do: He joined the board of directors of a defense contractor, a company doing business with his former service.

McKissock also had a second job. The Marines brought him back as an adviser, at double the rate of pay he made on active duty. Since 2005, the Marines have awarded McKissock contracts worth $1.2 million, in addition to his military pension of about $119,000 a year.

McKissock is one of at least 158 retired admirals and generals the Pentagon has hired to offer advice under an unusual arrangement. Most of the retired officers, one to four stars in rank, have been paid hundreds of dollars an hour by the military even as they worked for companies seeking Defense Department contracts, a USA TODAY investigation found. That's in addition to pensions of $100,000 to $200,000 a year for officers with 30 or more years of service.



As "senior mentors," as the military calls them, the retired officers help run war games and offer advice to former colleagues. Some mentors make as much as $330 an hour as part-time government advisers, more than triple what their rate of pay was as high-level, active-duty officers. They earn more ? fa[/I]


Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[marine]

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Updated 11/18/2009 9:39 AM
Retired military officers cash in as well-paid consultants




By Tom Vanden Brook, Ken Dilanian and Ray Locker, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON ? Six months after Marine Lt. Gen. Gary McKissock retired in 2002, he did what many other ex-military leaders do: He joined the board of directors of a defense contractor, a company doing business with his former service.

McKissock also had a second job. The Marines brought him back as an adviser, at double the rate of pay he made on active duty. Since 2005, the Marines have awarded McKissock contracts worth $1.2 million, in addition to his military pension of about $119,000 a year.

McKissock is one of at least 158 retired admirals and generals the Pentagon has hired to offer advice under an unusual arrangement. Most of the retired officers, one to four stars in rank, have been paid hundreds of dollars an hour by the military even as they worked for companies seeking Defense Department contracts, a USA TODAY investigation found. That's in addition to pensions of $100,000 to $200,000 a year for officers with 30 or more years of service.



As "senior mentors," as the military calls them, the retired officers help run war games and offer advice to former colleagues. Some mentors make as much as $330 an hour as part-time government advisers, more than triple what their rate of pay was as high-level, active-duty officers. They earn more ? fa[/I]


Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

sensational journalism aside here, I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
And while yes, there were some things that could have been considered questionable, practices have been in place for at least 2 years now that prevent a conflict of interest from happening.

oh, and you forgot another quote from the article -
"Nothing is illegal about the arrangements."

 

[Duff Miver]

I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
"Nothing is illegal about the arrangements."

You can be "pretty sure" all you like, but the fact is that many high-ranking officers collect their retirement and go right back to the Pentagon where they collect a big fat paycheck in addition to their retirement pay, and that was the whining subject of this thread - teachers collecting retirement while going back to work.

There's nothing illegal about that either.

So what's your claim now, that it's okay for retired military to double-dip, but teachers who do the same are scumbags?

 

[ssd]

it is complete and utter bullshit for anyone to be able to do it.

If you are retired and colllecting a pension, then you are retired.

People on SS can only earn a certain level of income or they lose their benefits.

Same should go for these people, R or D or I - if you are retired, then you are RETIRED!

 

[marine]

You can be "pretty sure" all you like, but the fact is that many high-ranking officers collect their retirement and go right back to the Pentagon where they collect a big fat paycheck in addition to their retirement pay, and that was the whining subject of this thread - teachers collecting retirement while going back to work.

There's nothing illegal about that either.

So what's your claim now, that it's okay for retired military to double-dip, but teachers who do the same are scumbags?

those career military type folks that are providing services back to the government are doing so as independent contractors/consultants. Not as federal employees.

and they don't go right back to to government after leaving the military. There is a lengthy "cooling off" period of 6-36 months they sit out in order to insure there is no undue influence in financial decision making processes in their areas.

If you'd like to discuss more details of how this works, please feel free to ask specific questions. I do, and have done, this exact topic for the last 5 years.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"But war good. Education bad."

I thought Muffy wasn't sending you any vacation photo's this time :lol:

Parasites good--productive bad
you owe me--not my fault-

 

[Duff Miver]

those career military type folks that are providing services back to the government are doing so as independent contractors/consultants. Not as federal employees.

and they don't go right back to to government after leaving the military. There is a lengthy "cooling off" period of 6-36 months they sit out in order to insure there is no undue influence in financial decision making processes in their areas.

If you'd like to discuss more details of how this works, please feel free to ask specific questions. I do, and have done, this exact topic for the last 5 years.

Okay, here are some questions:

What is the difference between an "employee" and a "contractor" if they are both paid to do the same work while collecting retirement from the same organization? Aren't both being double-paid by taxpayers?

Why is the retired military who collects retirement and then goes back to the same employer and double dips okay, while the school teacher who does the same thing a scum bag?

Why is any retired military worth $330 per hour?

Why does the military pay double dippers when they can use active service cheaper?

Why are military allowed to lobby their former employer?

Why is the retired general in the piece cited worth $1.2 million?

And, in case you missed it, answer this one again:
Why is the retired military who collects retirement and then goes back to the same employer and double dips okay, while the school teacher who does the same thing a scum bag?

 

[marine]

Okay, here are some questions:

What is the difference between an "employee" and a "contractor" if they are both paid to do the same work while collecting retirement from the same organization? Aren't both being double-paid by taxpayers?

Why is the retired military who collects retirement and then goes back to the same employer and double dips okay, while the school teacher who does the same thing a scum bag?

Why is any retired military worth $330 per hour?

Why does the military pay double dippers when they can use active service cheaper?

Why are military allowed to lobby their former employer?

Why is the retired general in the piece cited worth $1.2 million?

And, in case you missed it, answer this one again:
Why is the retired military who collects retirement and then goes back to the same employer and double dips okay, while the school teacher who does the same thing a scum bag?

You're missing the entire point of the arguement. Suprise suprise.

People are upset over this school incident because it was preplanned. He retires, gets his pension, and then comes back to collect both.

And if you really don't know the difference between an employee and a contractor, I suggest you learn it.

 

[marine]

Why is the retired general in the piece cited worth $1.2 million?

He's not. sensationalistic journalism at its finest. and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

He won a contract valued at 1.2million. is that 1.2 million in his pocket? absolutely not.

 

[Duff Miver]

It was preplanned? Where's the proof of that accusation? Has anyone been convicted? Has anyone been charged? Has anyone seen the alleged emails?

Employee/contractor, there's no difference. Both are double-dippers.