You're right, Sponge. These characters ride on the backs of the men who fought and died to form unions to protect working folks, and now the GlennBeckPro190s suck all that up and contribute nothing but whining like little bitches.
You're right, Sponge. These characters ride on the backs of the men who fought and died to form unions to protect working folks, and now the GlennBeckPro190s suck all that up and contribute nothing but whining like little bitches.
Yeah Duff this asshat Prodick never paid a union due in his life but has reap the profits from them his whole pathetic life and is to stupid to realize it.
Don't think it was that one Trench. It was a classic. Fox News Anchors screaming about how overpaid teachers were. Who ever set up the clip showed what these same assholes were saying about the bankers and how they should get paid their bonuses. They had some brunette i never saw before leading the charge. This whore made Palin look sensible. When u see these con artist at work, i just think of how people who watch and support this station are nothing more than garbage themselves
An education for Pro and Mags...
An education for Pro and Mags...
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People like me? Depend on others? My abilities will never deserve levels of compensation?
What the FUCK do you know about me? Who the hell gives you the right to make accusations about someone when you don't know shit about them? I know that's standard practice for many here, no real surprise. But then you complain about what others say? Laughable.
I don't depend on anyone - I pay my way for everything I do, always have, always will. I'm quite confident in my abilities and negotiating my own compensation.
I don't know much about you, so I won't make stupid ass comments about you - no real reason to. But i can't let your bullshit drive by comments to go unnoticed. I just can't imagine going through life with so much hate and outward anger towards other people - even people you know nothing about.
I don't have to twist your words - you say plenty that can be looked at specifically. That's the point - which I know you don't like.
Hell I like working 60 hour weeks, I like to keep busy to keep me out of trouble, especially in the winter time. If the fish are not biting then I need something to do.
You would be shocked at how many salaried professionals work 30 - 40 hours per week and they are not union employees. The people I know who have salaried positions who work 60 hours per week are making bigger money. They are not working for 40 grand or less.
I just can't believe that with all going on in this county on all sides politically, you have people in such outrage over unionized employees. I mean really? Do you think that ridding unionized employees is going to be the savior of business? Ok so lets say we strip the country of all unions. What do you think is going to happen? Business is just going to flourish and everyone will wake up and be all giddy to go to work.
What you will do is cut the middle classe's throat and further line the pockets of the rich. Simple really.
What you will do is cut the middle classe's throat and further line the pockets of the rich. Simple really.
Lets take a plumber for example. A non unionized plumber in my area makes in the range of $20 - $25 an hour if employed not working for himself. A unionized plumber is making about $35 per hour give or take few bucks.
With your guy's way of thinking you must think that if a business has the non unionized employee they would charge less for a job bid or redistribute that money into the economy. :mj07:
No what happens is that they charge the same and one company makes a bigger profit but the money goes out of the hand of the worker. Take away all unions and all plumbers in this area are going to make 22 - 25 per hour but the bill charged to the consumer will still be the same. The money just stays out of the middle class is all.
With your guy's way of thinking you must think that if a business has the non unionized employee they would charge less for a job bid or redistribute that money into the economy. :mj07:
No what happens is that they charge the same and one company makes a bigger profit but the money goes out of the hand of the worker. Take away all unions and all plumbers in this area are going to make 22 - 25 per hour but the bill charged to the consumer will still be the same. The money just stays out of the middle class is all.
If u are really gullible and listen to rightwing radio and Fox News u will believe anything these manipulators have to say. That is the big gorilla in the room. People this stupid who don't realize they are fighting for these assholes by cutting their own throats. People in other countries get a big kick out of how naive the people in this country are. It is almost an unwinnable battle people with common sense have to fight.
No doubt on that last comment. But a lot of folks I've worked with made $75K and worked 60. And that is still considered below middle class by Obama (as he has health care subsidies for those folks).
How many union jobs, making $75K a year salaried, have folks working 60 hours because they have pride in their work - for 50 weeks a year? You know it ain't teachers (least not the ones in WI I know - 40 hours for 42 weeks a year)... it's a nice gig if you can get it (demand far outpaces supply of teaching jobs - I wonder why?) :shrug:
We should start up a radio station and just start cutting down unions, spew bullshit, preach the bible as gospel, come up with a rapture and get sponsors and donations. Hell we would get a few people on this site to listen to us and give us money. I could not broadcast it up here, would get shot.
Actually I use an independant non-union plumber from time to time. 50% less than the union shops. Does good work too, and isn't afraid to come over in the evenings - whereas the union guy will charge double time or tell you to wait until the next morning.... Much better deal for the consumer to use non-union.
If you gave me most managerial nursing positions, I would take a 75 grand salary and put in 50 - 60 hours without a doubt. Could not do that if I was working the floor per say pending on the type of patients I was working with. 60 hours per week for many nursing positions is just too much, burn out is common. I know this is just one example.
I thought the average teacher salary was about 42000. I know there are crap teachers out there but there are a lot that give it there all and take the work home with em. I think worrying about teachers and what they make is least of my worries.
Think about this, would you want to be a teacher for 42 grand and the time off.? I could of but no way in hell would I want to do that. What is fair 30 grand per year? :mj07:
The only plumbers I know that do that are guys that do "side jobs." One would think that the shop with unionized labor would go out of business.
Well, let's think about this. Most teachers have a 180 day school year - days that they must be in school (teaching and conferences). So, they are working 180 days. They also get between 5-10 days off for personal time. Let's use 5 days. Most teachers get sick time, but that is tougher to quantify, as some abuse it, and some do not use it at all. So, a teacher works 175 days a year, out of 365 possible days. Which is 47.9% of the year.
A person in private industry normally works 5 days a week, for 49 weeks, assuming 3 weeks of vacation. They also get holidays - normally 7 additional days a year. So, a private full time employee works 238 days a year. Which is 65.2% of the year.
To put the salaries on an equivalent basis, to be fair, teacher salaries would need to be adjusted upwards by (65.2%/47.9%). So, the "average" salary (not including the expansive teacher benefits) results in the teacher making the private industry equivalent of $57,173. Plus better benefits than the private sector.
Yea, I don't think that is a bad deal at all for teachers. And keep in mind, most education students are not academic superstars in college - this is usually their best option, when they try to compete in the math, sciences, business arena. They (to their credit) figure out early on that they can't compete with the brightest students (normally that is clear in high school for them), they realize that they enjoy children, and that this is a great career for them to go into, with no competition from other employees once they have a job for 3 years (due to arcane union rules on hiring/firing).
It is an old adage, and doesn't apply to every teacher, but certainly many of them - "those who can't do, teach!"
In no way, shape, or form do we get the best and brightest in the teacher career (at least at the grade and high school levels). But that's ok, but I don't think the best and brightest are needed at those levels either.
Teaching is a great opportunity for students who do not have the drive, intelligence, and stamina to compete with the best and brightest students in college. It gives them a career with little peer to peer competition.
I've seen studies (maybe someone could find it?) of SAT score comparisons for education majors and those in the math and sciences. My recollection tells me there was a very marked difference.
I understand what you are saying and I don't feel sorry for teachers at all, I am just not on the attack of them. Yeah their equivalent is an average of 57,000 but without picking up a summer job the average is 44,000. Plus, out of all the days off they have they can only get a part time summer job in about an 80 day span as it maybe difficult to have secondary employment during the school season. I still wouldn't want to teach, don't feel sorry for them either, just not that worried about it either.
How much of a pay loss would be fair, considering they have an 80 day window for secondary employment? How much money can you save? To me what they are making is about right.
So you are saying is that smart individuals do not want to teach but strive for jobs that involve more intellect, Makes sense and they get paid much more than teachers too.
Nursing is where it is at now. if one can handle it. The Baby Boomers are getting older and the need is going to drastically increase in the next 10 years. Home care nurses are in greater need cause hospitals want to get the patients out quick. Home care nursing allows one to make their own schedule which is nice. One draw back is it doesn't pay quite as well as hospital jobs and benefits may not be as good.. But the satisfaction of making your own schedule, choosing your own cases, and less stressful environment is worth its weight in gold.
It's as simple as I can make my own way. I've negotiated all of my compensation at initial hire & at review.. Never any Union negotiation!
I'd never stand for some amateur representing me in anything let alone something as crucial as my livelihood...
I've dealt with Construction Union BAs and they are not rocket scientist to be kind...
So you and your Union gang go down to the labor temple and settle down with a Bud Light & a Camel....
Sincerely,
Classic
I know your OFFENDED BUTTON is easy to push..
Relax Chad it was as simple mistake.
I should have been much more broad and included all union deadweight...
Anyway I'm sure you are a swell guy!
Enjoy the Holiday weekend!
I'm off as of NOW!:00hour
From an average salary standpoint, I would agree. However, there are folks on the top end that make over $100K for a 9 month job. Mainly because they have been doing it for 20+ years - not necessarily because they are good at it. Minimum should be raised, maximum lowered.
The biggest issue is the outrageous benefits compared to the private sector, pensions and health insurance. My gosh, my sis-in-law still has a $0 deductible plan with $0 copay for Dr. visits and $5 prescriptions. Try to find that in the public sector sometime.. And, to make it worse in WI, most of the districts are forced to use something called WEA trust - it is the union run insurance plan - a money maker for them to pay for union thuggery. Districts are now finally starting to say no to WEA, thanks to Walker pointing out the issue. And districts were overpaying by 20-30% for their health insurance costs by using WEA - and that money went straight in the unions pockets.
Summary - salary ok, benefits way the heck out of wack. Less of a spread from high to low, since all teachers are effectively doing the same job, and teachers do not want to be ever judged on ability/performance, only length of service per union rules (which we all know is the most inefficient way to base compensation strategy)
