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MSNBC SUSPENDS OLBERMANN
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CIE I have no idea where u get ur info but it is total BS. You probably heard that his PHD is BS from MSNBC LOL. Did I fail to mention his book "Trickle Up Poverty is the #1 best seller....oh wait the media wont verbalize on this...he did this w/o any media support.
CIE... people have been hating Savage for yrs and say many things to bring him down. So many of the things they say are untruthful so listeners will NOT listen to what he has to say. You should take a listen to him once in awhile and get inspired. Oh I forgot....If u did watch MSNBC I may have to come slap ya :mj07: Take care my friends
Okay, so you're concern with my objectivity in teaching future students is directly related to your tax expenditures - why am I not surprised? One thing is certain I draw from your posted convictions: you care far more about how much money goes out of your pocket for things you personally don't agree with than virtually anything else. Does your mirror ever tell you that? Or do you blindly look in the mirror and see nothing but an unbiased thinker who considers what is best for everyone? Do you honestly think the society we live in would be a better place if every single person thought as you do? Do you ever give any real credence or thought to thinking of issues in another way?
I have no doubt that my perspective in looking at our financial world is arguable at best. In some cases, I know my thinking leans away from a completely sound economic view. Philosophically, I realize I am biased and could favor a view that might now always be best for our country. I will have to be mindful of my own biases, when teaching kids. About a lot more than just politics, by the way. Trust me - politics is a VERY small part of the educational day.
You mention in your assessment of what you're worried about with me that you think, "that I should represent all of america not just the 18% liberal element." Do you think that your thoughts and outlook are representative of all of America? Do you think the textbooks in our schools are representative of all of America? Do you think they paint a true picture of the actual history of our country? Do you even have a clue? Have any examples? Or do you sit in your insurance office that has never served a black person (I believe you said) and simply blame teachers for being biased in how they teach? Is it possible you have a little hypocritical view going on there? And I use the term "little" loosely.
I can assure you from what I've learned in my teaching education classes, and from my brief field experience, that the teachers really care about the students, and delivering fair messages. I'm sure there are some that don't, but most care a HELLUVA lot. And I have not heard ONE overly biased comment from ANY professor or teacher in high school that has not qualified their message by saying that something doesn't go on on both sides of the political aisle. Honestly, not one time. I'm sure in your biased view, you don't believe that. But considering the completely biased textbooks that hide actual history, and prevent students from learning the correct story about our country, teachers SHOULD add a little perspective if you are truly concerned about all students and Americans being properly being represented and informed.
By the way, how do you pay the union dues of teachers? By your tax dollars that they then use for union dues? You don't seem to worry about all the money you spend investing in corporations that pay directly into campaign funds and fund special interests, and pay lobbyists, etc. Wait, yes you do, for any corporation that doesn't share your world view. Again, I think we're back to the first part of this essay, where you only are concerned with your own special interests. I'm guessing that in most of those corporations, your money goes to a lot of people that make a helluva lot more than teachers do, care a lot less about having a positive effect on the lives of future generations (and the country), and some who actually defraud our country and it's citizens. But, I know that stuff doesn't bother you as much as your education tax dollars, so you don't need to bother with that.
I don't know about as I do--but I'd like to see each side live with their own convictions.
When you can tell me how your voting base could last without conservative base and why conservative base would not flourish without having to pack your base--I'll listen.
I basically have two probs with liberal element expansion of gov and expansion of gov dependent people. The 2 feed each other off the backs of productive self reliant population.
Example
I see where they are looking to cut social security benefits--which working folks paid into.
Yet your adimin just finished allotting 224 billion for entitlements under disguise of stimulus.
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx
--and expanding gov--
The number of federal workers earning more than $150,000 has soared in the last five years from 7,420 to 82,034.
Federal salaries have grown robustly in recent years, according to a USA TODAY analysis of Office of Personnel Management data. Key findings:
?Government-wide raises. Top-paid staff have increased in every department and agency. The Defense Department had nine civilians earning $170,000 or more in 2005, 214 when Obama took office and 994 in June.
?Long-time workers thrive. The biggest pay hikes have gone to employees who have been with the government for 15 to 24 years. Since 2005, average salaries for this group climbed 25% compared with a 9% inflation rate.
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to compound matters you have PC liberal element teaching nothing but excuses on failure and why it is right redistribute the wealth--and continue toward socialism.
They can't see the obvious that it is socialism creating the failures.
When you start rewarding dysfunctional family values with monetary rewards and can't figure out why illegitamcy increases yearly to now over 70%--you got a problem--and to think it won't continue to expand based on the childrens environment is equally insane.
Europe is just beginning to see the error of their ways--
<CITE class=vcard>by Danny Kemp Danny Kemp </CITE>? <ABBR class=recenttimedate title=2010-11-11T03:44:37-0800>4 mins ago</ABBR>
<!-- end .byline -->LONDON (AFP) ? The coalition unveiled plans to withhold handouts for up to three years for those who refuse a job Thursday in the biggest shake-up of the post-war welfare state, a day after violent protests rocked London.
The government also plans a "universal credit" instead of the current system of separate benefit payments for housing and childcare as part of reforms aimed at cutting Britain's massive deficit.
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My rant isn't about teachers caring about children--its about their teaching opinion vs fact. As gov employees and card carrying union members I believe it is hard for some to be objective.
On a personal note--I think you'll make a great teacher and certainly wish you the best--but would also tell Little Johnny to disregard any political-economical etc opinion with grain of salt and weight the facts.
You have become such and awful read it is almost to the point to put u on ignore. U talk about this but no mention about the bank bailouts. U got to be the one of the most hypocritical persons on the net. the biggest tranfer of wealth just happen under Bush but since this transfer was for the rich (and not u by the way) this seems to be okay with you.:shrug: Is it possible that these people u call liberals don't like welfare moms and bank bailouts? The biggest tax breaks in middle class history took effect under Obama. You need to send them back. U will take anything Obama will give to u but out of the other side of ur mouth u will complain because u feel this money u recieved should have went to someone with more wealth. These bankers were gov't dependable people as u say. this transfer of wealth indeed did happen. The expansion of Gov't exploded under Bush. Take of the blinders there is a whole other world out there that u are missing.
Wayne, thanks for the essay, but if I were grading your assignment, it would require some serious feedback and a lowered grade because of it. You have a tendency in your writing to get off topic and avoid the main points of the assignment. Your response to me (which was a brief point leading into my main point to you) avoided my addressing your concerns and explaining what I've seen (and heard) from teachers and how we are being taught to teach. Maybe this will help, unless you were purposely avoiding it:
Your point: to compound matters you have PC liberal element teaching nothing but excuses on failure and why it is right redistribute the wealth--and continue toward socialism.
in response to my point: I can assure you from what I've learned in my teaching education classes, and from my brief field experience, that the teachers really care about the students, and delivering fair messages. I'm sure there are some that don't, but most care a HELLUVA lot. And I have not heard ONE overly biased comment from ANY professor or teacher in high school that has not qualified their message by saying that something doesn't go on on both sides of the political aisle. Honestly, not one time.
And this, from you: My rant isn't about teachers caring about children--its about their teaching opinion vs fact. As gov employees and card carrying union members I believe it is hard for some to be objective.
I'm sure you can find some situations where teachers teach political opinions - far more so in colleges than in high schools. But you can certainly find conservative and liberal elements in teachings all across the country. I know you can google and get specific professors that spew a completely liberal view from time to time, I can google and get conservative views, especially in economics. But what I'm telling you at least at the levels I'm at at a public state college, there are very few messages delivered that aren't open for valid discussion, and in most cases the discussions are lively, open-minded and respectful of both sides of the opinion. ESPECIALLY in the teacher education classes, where we are preached at to be respectful and deliver a fair message. We are NEVER told to take our own political opinions into the classroom and sculpt the message in one way. We are told specifically not to.
If you are TRULY concerned with students learning FACTS, especially at impressionable ages, you should WANT teachers who bring some perspective to basic textbooks and the learning curriculum that has been controlled and created for years - since education was created in this country, as a matter of fact. But I know you are TRULY only concerned with what is being done with your tax dollars, and think that those dollars should be spent where it forwards the opinions and facts that you personally consider to be valid and appropriate. There are many ways to look at and use facts - context, history, cause, motivations, etc. Hiding other valid points and other versions of history and facts is not teaching. Bringing forth ALL opinions, history, and perspectives and encouraging that in your classroom IS teaching. You're not concerned with your dollars bringing forth everything, IMO. You're concerned with your version and set of facts to be taught and looked at as being more correct than someone else's. You'd prefer your taxes were cut, and only went to pay for what you deem to be valid and important.
And THAT, my friend, is what education HAS been all about for far too long. I invite you to pick up a middle school history book and read through it. See how much you find that talks about what the wealthy white man actually did to get where he is today in this country. See if you really view an accurate, complete story of the history of this country. A good teacher would not allow that to be the only message - and that teacher usually has to use that standard, incomplete text due to budget shortages and constraints. Teachers are hamstrung these days and many use their own money to bring supplies and resources into the classroom just to give their students a better opportunity. I know this is not the conservative view of how to spend money, but it is the view of most teachers that I know.
One final point on education. If you really care about teachers TEACHING, then release them from all the bullshit paperwork and form filling out that they have to do every day just to meet the bullshit No Child Left Behind Act requirements. Children are being left behind, because teachers have less time to teach these days, SPECIFICALLY due to this GOVERNMENT bureaucracy. Much of your tax money for education is not spent on education - it's spent on this waster of time and money.
Your point: to compound matters you have PC liberal element teaching nothing but excuses on failure and why it is right redistribute the wealth--and continue toward socialism.
in response to my point: I can assure you from what I've learned in my teaching education classes, and from my brief field experience, that the teachers really care about the students, and delivering fair messages. I'm sure there are some that don't, but most care a HELLUVA lot. And I have not heard ONE overly biased comment from ANY professor or teacher in high school that has not qualified their message by saying that something doesn't go on on both sides of the political aisle. Honestly, not one time.
And this, from you: My rant isn't about teachers caring about children--its about their teaching opinion vs fact. As gov employees and card carrying union members I believe it is hard for some to be objective.
I'm sure you can find some situations where teachers teach political opinions - far more so in colleges than in high schools. But you can certainly find conservative and liberal elements in teachings all across the country. I know you can google and get specific professors that spew a completely liberal view from time to time, I can google and get conservative views, especially in economics. But what I'm telling you at least at the levels I'm at at a public state college, there are very few messages delivered that aren't open for valid discussion, and in most cases the discussions are lively, open-minded and respectful of both sides of the opinion. ESPECIALLY in the teacher education classes, where we are preached at to be respectful and deliver a fair message. We are NEVER told to take our own political opinions into the classroom and sculpt the message in one way. We are told specifically not to.
If you are TRULY concerned with students learning FACTS, especially at impressionable ages, you should WANT teachers who bring some perspective to basic textbooks and the learning curriculum that has been controlled and created for years - since education was created in this country, as a matter of fact. But I know you are TRULY only concerned with what is being done with your tax dollars, and think that those dollars should be spent where it forwards the opinions and facts that you personally consider to be valid and appropriate. There are many ways to look at and use facts - context, history, cause, motivations, etc. Hiding other valid points and other versions of history and facts is not teaching. Bringing forth ALL opinions, history, and perspectives and encouraging that in your classroom IS teaching. You're not concerned with your dollars bringing forth everything, IMO. You're concerned with your version and set of facts to be taught and looked at as being more correct than someone else's. You'd prefer your taxes were cut, and only went to pay for what you deem to be valid and important.
And THAT, my friend, is what education HAS been all about for far too long. I invite you to pick up a middle school history book and read through it. See how much you find that talks about what the wealthy white man actually did to get where he is today in this country. See if you really view an accurate, complete story of the history of this country. A good teacher would not allow that to be the only message - and that teacher usually has to use that standard, incomplete text due to budget shortages and constraints. Teachers are hamstrung these days and many use their own money to bring supplies and resources into the classroom just to give their students a better opportunity. I know this is not the conservative view of how to spend money, but it is the view of most teachers that I know.
One final point on education. If you really care about teachers TEACHING, then release them from all the bullshit paperwork and form filling out that they have to do every day just to meet the bullshit No Child Left Behind Act requirements. Children are being left behind, because teachers have less time to teach these days, SPECIFICALLY due to this GOVERNMENT bureaucracy. Much of your tax money for education is not spent on education - it's spent on this waster of time and money.
Not only that Chad,
But how inaccurate the History books in middle school and high school are.
When I took my Macro class, I HAD TO BUY the professors BULLSHIT books and study papers to the tune of $175.00, and that was 20 years ago. As it turned out, while taking the class and bringing in countering points of MACRO STUDIES ! I was easy to prove hoe full of shit he truly was ! :142smilie
That was during the Rodney King trial and the LA Riots, and I was sent to LA for 3 weeks. By LAW ! I could not be forced to make up work and tests missed during those 3 weeks, yet he TRIED to screw me. When finals came up, he tried to test me on the missed studies. I was riding on the cusp of an A for the course, the missed portion of the exam, which I refused to take, dropped me to a C. My guidance counselor, who was a Lt. Col. in the Army Reserves QUICKLY SORTED THIS JACKASS OUT !
I ran into this problem with every single class (5) but 1 when taking finals. Yeah, he was pro Military. I caught tons of heat for what the Profs called enforcing Martial Law on the masses.
I can tell you this, I was one of FEW who were no very happy about taking up arms against mostly US Citizens withing the United States. But since they thought they were the smartest person in the room, they could shout me down.
YEAH RIGHT !
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I think the lock of the century would be to wager that doggie has never been in a college classroom. He wouldn't want those pinko liberals teachin' him sumptin. .....and yet he thinks he can lecture Chadman.
If I have to read another one of his bullshit posts I think my head is going to explode.
If I have to read another one of his bullshit posts I think my head is going to explode.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't plenty of liberal professors out there. There are. But to blame teachers for supporting democrats as a rule (I know of plenty who are republican and vote that way, by the way) is kind of silly IMO. Democrats have always been pro-education funding, almost as the most important function of society - which I personally agree with - and did before committing to the profession thanks to the economy. To put the tax expenditures of the citizen in perspective, which some here seem so concerned about, here is a quick breakdown (of facts) of where your tax dollar goes:
Defense/security - 20%
Social Security - 20%
Medicare, Medicade/CHIP - 21%
Interest on debt - 6%
Education - 3%
Education being: Education: The education subcategory combines three subfunctions of the education, training, employment, and social services function: elementary, secondary, and vocational education; higher education; and research and general educational aids.
These are CBO numbers for reference, commonly found across the Net.
I think we have to look at cutting our budget across the board, in all areas, if I'm being realistic. Otherwise, we won't get anywhere. I understand education cuts, but not if other things aren't agreed upon. Education money benefits all segments of our society and makes us more competitive in all areas of the future. It's at least arguable to continue supporting without cutting much of it. The money we spend on interest on the debt is just money thrown away - and no matter what we spend the money on - elective wars, welfare, security, medical, etc., it has to be addressed. Democrats have to understand that, as do republicans. Every time you say we need to cut spending, but not "this" spending, you just aren't facing reality, IMO.
Defense/security - 20%
Social Security - 20%
Medicare, Medicade/CHIP - 21%
Interest on debt - 6%
Education - 3%
Education being: Education: The education subcategory combines three subfunctions of the education, training, employment, and social services function: elementary, secondary, and vocational education; higher education; and research and general educational aids.
These are CBO numbers for reference, commonly found across the Net.
I think we have to look at cutting our budget across the board, in all areas, if I'm being realistic. Otherwise, we won't get anywhere. I understand education cuts, but not if other things aren't agreed upon. Education money benefits all segments of our society and makes us more competitive in all areas of the future. It's at least arguable to continue supporting without cutting much of it. The money we spend on interest on the debt is just money thrown away - and no matter what we spend the money on - elective wars, welfare, security, medical, etc., it has to be addressed. Democrats have to understand that, as do republicans. Every time you say we need to cut spending, but not "this" spending, you just aren't facing reality, IMO.
Chad, Everyone...
Here we have the Brits, who have the BALLS ! to go out and protest a rise in education costs.
$14,000 ! Shit that's laughable, I wish I could have had paid that much.
Maybe if something like this in the U.S. the popilus could collectively get their fat asses off the couch and organize just a small group to say "FUCK NO" to something. Not some Sarah, Glenn, Fox organized dick dance. A true protest, uhhh, yeah right. I can hardly get 15 people to hand out fliers.
People, sheeple are too scared to color outside the lines.
Start a rally, knock over a trash can. Do something to express yourself !
Student tuition fee protests turn violent as Tory headquarters evacuated
The Telegraph
November 10, 2010
After initially being ejected from the lobby of Millbank by police and security staff, the protestors smashed their way in through windows.
Using sticks and chairs they destroyed CCTV cameras and broke windows from the inside of the office block. Employees had to be evacuated as masked youths rampaged through corridors and onto the roof.
Dozens of police officers stationed outside the entrance were overwhelmed as the crowd of thousands pelted them with rocks and bottles.
VIDEO
Here we have the Brits, who have the BALLS ! to go out and protest a rise in education costs.
$14,000 ! Shit that's laughable, I wish I could have had paid that much.
Maybe if something like this in the U.S. the popilus could collectively get their fat asses off the couch and organize just a small group to say "FUCK NO" to something. Not some Sarah, Glenn, Fox organized dick dance. A true protest, uhhh, yeah right. I can hardly get 15 people to hand out fliers.
People, sheeple are too scared to color outside the lines.
Start a rally, knock over a trash can. Do something to express yourself !
Student tuition fee protests turn violent as Tory headquarters evacuated
The Telegraph
November 10, 2010
After initially being ejected from the lobby of Millbank by police and security staff, the protestors smashed their way in through windows.
Using sticks and chairs they destroyed CCTV cameras and broke windows from the inside of the office block. Employees had to be evacuated as masked youths rampaged through corridors and onto the roof.
Dozens of police officers stationed outside the entrance were overwhelmed as the crowd of thousands pelted them with rocks and bottles.
VIDEO
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I'm sure there is but I haven't been up there yet. Been too busy. Looking forward to a vacation.
My problem Chad is if a person falls for the rhetoric/hype and spreads and condones it on the web--chances are great it will carry over in the the classroom.
Knowing your a stand up guy and will teach the truth maybe we can clear up a few glaring myths that you can draw on in the future.
Liberal myths
The working class myth--
Can just never get liberals to put # on income per their working class--but we do have pretty reliable polls called elections--Per NYT
Democrats drew support from their traditional base ? younger voters; blacks and Hispanics; those without high school diplomas and those with post-graduate education; less affluent voters; black women; union members; and Easterners.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/us/03exit.html?_r=1&src=twr
The 2 america theme/myth of last decade --drummed into us by gore and kerry--whiles chastising conservatives for not caring
Fact of the matter gore and kerry stiffed stiffed charity for $353 and zero while GW and cheney gave 10's of thousands.
Charitible references-
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2545395#post2545395
Affirmative action myth If I owned a movie theatre and put up rates -whites and Asians $10 --blacks and hispanics $5 I'd be deemed a bigot and racist--however if liberal elements/gov etc use same format---
--and I believe we have already cleared up the Clinton/gw economical myth.
Maybe tomorrow will work on O's transparency/pay as you go debacles--myths
--and maybe you have some conservative myths you like to make me aware of.
Knowing your a stand up guy and will teach the truth maybe we can clear up a few glaring myths that you can draw on in the future.
Liberal myths
The working class myth--
Can just never get liberals to put # on income per their working class--but we do have pretty reliable polls called elections--Per NYT
Democrats drew support from their traditional base ? younger voters; blacks and Hispanics; those without high school diplomas and those with post-graduate education; less affluent voters; black women; union members; and Easterners.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/us/03exit.html?_r=1&src=twr
The 2 america theme/myth of last decade --drummed into us by gore and kerry--whiles chastising conservatives for not caring
Fact of the matter gore and kerry stiffed stiffed charity for $353 and zero while GW and cheney gave 10's of thousands.
Charitible references-
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2545395#post2545395
Affirmative action myth If I owned a movie theatre and put up rates -whites and Asians $10 --blacks and hispanics $5 I'd be deemed a bigot and racist--however if liberal elements/gov etc use same format---
--and I believe we have already cleared up the Clinton/gw economical myth.
Maybe tomorrow will work on O's transparency/pay as you go debacles--myths
--and maybe you have some conservative myths you like to make me aware of.
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that totally makes no sense.
where did you go to school again ?
Did you graduate from HS ?
damn
