my politcal views

[TontoKowalski]

sorry i'm drunk and i hope you political talkers dont hate me forever for this (i'll still make you money hopefully in the betting threasd)...

but israel is f'n up our foreign affairs bigtime in the usa

no doubt whatsoever we should fight for israels right to exist.... but the amount of unconditional support and money (and military weapons) we give israel is bringing too much hatred against the USA..... 9/11 was a direct result of our israeli policiy... that was osama bin laden's chief cause

until we start thinking rationally about what we get involved in in tghe middle east, long times are ahead for the usa

label me an anti-semite, but htats the facts

 

[TontoKowalski]

read THE ISRAEL LOBBY if you want more info... the fact of the matter is palestians are getting BUTCHERED overseas... and while most arabs don't give a flying **** what happsn to them and they just use them to cause problems... the fact palestinians are getting abused and the usa is backing that is causing all the problems

 

[smurphy]

Damn Jews.

Sincerely,
Saul

 

[djv]

No one will hate you for having some drinks. You know what they say. When in the bag you speak the truth. And you have right to your opinon. There are many here that will agree 100%. Some 50/50. I have always pushed give Israel more. Get out of there way and let them do our dirty work.
As long as they don't do stupid things when throwing there weight around. And latley I been questioning some of there tactics. To many civilan die in some of there bombings. Thats what helps keep the hate growing. Long run I believe the day is coming were glad there helping. One thing for sure our CIA should take lessons from theres.

 

[Dead Money]

Lieberman for Vp

Lieberman for Vp

would be the final nail in the coffin....Mcsame does one term or slips on a banana peel, and you have the end of days with a Jewish prez...


Amazing the outcry about the possible "Mormon Candidate" but not a peep about Lieberman.


We need alternate energy source, then we can tell the Entire mid-east to f#&k-off, we want nothing to do with your vast sandy wastelands, camels, and sand fleas. GOT WATER?

 

[gardenweasel]

read a little and i believe you`ll find that the u.s.a. sends more aid to palestine than anyone else....yes,much less than israel,but it`s amazing that we send anything to them...

you want to start abandoning democracies for oppressive theocratic govt`s. that are entrenched in the 16th century to appease terrorists?...

and given that palestine is rife with corruption, much of the aid,if not monitored to the nth degree,is siphoned off by criminals like arafat and sent to his wife(she was living like a queen in france,i believe)...not to mention terrorist interests..

when you consider that the pali`s vote for terrorists in open elections,it`s amazing we send them anything...elections have consequences....

they want more aid?...whats wrong with iran,syria and their other despotic allies?....

we help our allies.....countries that share our values systems and don`t cheer in the streets when the twin towers are brought down....

and it`s not an arab/jew thing...we send quite a bit to our more moderate allies like egypt and jordan...

this isn`t rocket science...

 

[TontoKowalski]

israel doesn't even NEED our money or arms anymore. yet we keep giving. we give $500 per israeli citizen a year. second on the list is no where near that, probably not even $100 per citizen.

fact of the matter is, 9/11 and the other terrorist attacks stem from hatred of our extreme support for israel.

 

[TontoKowalski]

just go read the book "the israel lobby", it will refute all your notions on how strategic or moral us support for israel is

 

[gardenweasel]

israel doesn't even NEED our money or arms anymore. yet we keep giving. we give $500 per israeli citizen a year. second on the list is no where near that, probably not even $100 per citizen.

fact of the matter is, 9/11 and the other terrorist attacks stem from hatred of our extreme support for israel.

so,we abandon democracies and back radical is lamists because they threaten us?....

i don`t think so...

 

[TontoKowalski]

haha, so its that black and white to you? either give them a ton of money or abandon them? how about treat them just like we do former soviet republics, etc?

 

[gardenweasel]

haha, so its that black and white to you? either give them a ton of money or abandon them? how about treat them just like we do former soviet republics, etc?

cause it`s in our intersts not to abandon EVERY ally that the left would like us to....at some point you have NO allies left...

i only hope they do something about iran`s nuclear program...like they did with saddam`s osirak reactor back in the day....

they`d be earning their keep...

it`s funny...that these damn jews are omnipotent....less than 1% of the population yet they appear to control everything on the planet....

hope they have room for one more...how do i join their organization?

/weasel tapping on window....

lol

 

[The Sponge]

israel doesn't even NEED our money or arms anymore. yet we keep giving. we give $500 per israeli citizen a year. second on the list is no where near that, probably not even $100 per citizen.

fact of the matter is, 9/11 and the other terrorist attacks stem from hatred of our extreme support for israel.

more so us being on their land. Occupying never does any good or setting up bases on others land.

 

[The Sponge]

haha, so its that black and white to you? either give them a ton of money or abandon them? how about treat them just like we do former soviet republics, etc?

Tonto check out what this CIA agent says regarding this situation. Im a big fan of Bill Mahers but i never agree with him on this topic. You can listen to this guy who should know or listen to that garbage Fox News and nitwit neocon radio fills in that easily conned head of Weasels. OH and it isn't just Fox news and nitwit neocon radio that has jumped on this bandwagon. All of our media puppets this garbage except the BBC which of course isn't our media.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYf5CelbJ0

 

[gardenweasel]

lemme ask you....do you think if the joos were wiped off the face of the earth that everything would be copacetic with bin laden and the mullahs in iran?........

do you think they`d stop treatng women like shit and killing homosexuals and anyone that didn`t believe in their diety?.....

i mean,this isn`t happening in a vacuum...it`s happening in indonesia,africa,thailand,india ....even russia and china...

their trying to expand their influenece and unfortunately,it`s the antithesis of all that we beoileve in....

 

[gardenweasel]

Tonto check out what this CIA agent says regarding this situation. Im a big fan of Bill Mahers but i never agree with him on this topic. You can listen to this guy who should know or listen to that garbage Fox News and nitwit neocon radio fills in that easily conned head of Weasels. OH and it isn't just Fox news and nitwit neocon radio that has jumped on this bandwagon. All of our media puppets this garbage except the BBC which of course isn't our media.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYf5CelbJ0

it`s an easy decision for the unmedicated,spongy...

israel: a free country, democratic government, civil rights, rule of law,modernity, beautiful women( ).

sharia states: oppression, no rights, autocracy, theocracy,chaos, poverty, "law" made up by insane mullahs or terrorists, daughters murdered with impunity, women dressed in sacks....

 

[TontoKowalski]

lemme ask you....do you think if the joos were wiped off the face of the earth that everything would be copacetic with bin laden and the mullahs in iran?........

do you think they`d stop treatng women like shit and killing homosexuals and anyone that didn`t believe in their diety?.....

i mean,this isn`t happening in a vacuum...it`s happening in indonesia,africa,thailand,india ....even russia and china...

their trying to expand their influenece and unfortunately,it`s the antithesis of all that we beoileve in....

you cant be argued with or your opinions discussed because you are too extreme in your views... its simply not that black and white... of course many islamists are fanatical nuts, and israel should exist and be protected. my point is UNITED STATES UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT and over-support for israel fuels hatred for the united states. we need to be more balanced in our foreign affairs.

and to equate support for israel to the right is patently wrong also. the left is just as big supporters of israel as the right is.

in fact, (unconditional) support for israel is THE ONLY issue you will see across-the-board agreement on by (real) candidates for united states political office.

 

[TontoKowalski]

it`s an easy decision for the unmedicated,spongy...

israel: a free country, democratic government, civil rights, rule of law,modernity, beautiful women( ).

QUOTE]

Israel is not nearly as free or democratic as you suggest. You make it sound like the united states in the middle east. It isn't. Seriously, do some research on it and you'll see.

 

[gardenweasel]

you cant be argued with or your opinions discussed because you are too extreme in your views... its simply not that black and white... of course many islamists are fanatical nuts, and israel should exist and be protected. my point is UNITED STATES UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT and over-support for israel fuels hatred for the united states. we need to be more balanced in our foreign affairs.

and to equate support for israel to the right is patently wrong also. the left is just as big supporters of israel as the right is.

"""""in fact, (unconditional) support for israel is THE ONLY issue you will see across-the-board agreement on by (real) candidates for united states political office."""""""

AND THAT SHOCKS YOU?.....that we don`t throw less support behind an ally and more support to an enemy...a friend of our enemies who`s very charter insists on the destruction of israel?....

so,your suggestion is that we appease those that disagree with our support of a fellow democracy....a democracy surrounded by their enemies(and ours)on all sides....

so they`ll like us more?.....

sounds alot like neville chamberlain`s tactics during the lead up to world war II....

 

[gardenweasel]

i love these conversations...imo,it seems that many need a scapegoat when times get hard....and unfortunately for them,it always seems to be the jews...

they`re the canary in the coal mine....

the biggest irony?.....is that muslims living in israel have more freedom in countries like israel or the u.s. than they ever will in any minaret-ridden country...

in those places being mohammedan isn't enough.... your mohammedism must be the same as the ruling mullahs.....

 

[TontoKowalski]

Garden, you don't know what you are talking about at all.

Israel could take out the entire middle east if they wanted. Their military is by far stronger. In fact, if the entire region went to war simultaneously with israel, israel would probably win.

And I already stated, israel is not a democracy like the united states. it isn't nearly as free and respective of human rights.

the problem is over the top, unconditional support. read some books about hte topic instead of spewing the same rhetoric that the rest of the ignorant world does.

and i lvoe the allusion to being a nazi appeaser. seriously could a person have a conversation critical of israel without being thrown the tired pejoratives?