Nevada's big gamble -- whether to legalize pot

[ddubs]

Marinol is a terrible drug. It is 99% THC, which bring high % of side effects, most notably psychosis (YES, psychosis), and others like cotton mouth, tachycardia...etc become more pronounced than just smoking MJ. I've been in practice for 10 yrs, and never had a patient ask me for Marinol(but tons of Vicodin, Tylenol #3, #4.....gee I wonder why?). My wife has been a pharmacist for 10 yrs, and never dispensed Marinol. The notion that people claim smoking MJ for pain relief, IMHO, is a whole bunch of cow dung. There are much better analgesics out there. If you want to test the analgesic potency of MJ vs other meds personally, why not try to take a couple of Tylenol #3 or #4, then stab yourself in the thigh with a fork, then next day get yourself as high as you can with MJ and do the same (YES, I tried it when I was in med school, I'm ashamed to say ). I guarantee you will feel hell of a lot more pain being stoned than after taking a couple of Tylenol with Codein.

As for anti-nausea, there are also much better meds than Marinol. How about Compazine, or better yet, Tigan for Cancer / AIDS patients. I can't deny the fact that many patients with AIDS Wasting Syndrome gain significant amt of weight back after starting to smoke MJ because of increased appetite, and that improved the lab values, mood, immune system.......but not Marinol, because the side effects are not worth the benefit.

And to Dr Freeze's defense, IMHO, there is not a whole lot of MEDICINAL USE for MJ. You find me someone who tells me that he/she is smoking MJ for nausea/pain and not for the EUPHORIC effects, and I'll find you a LIAR. But Freeze, if you look around you, there're many many closet smokers in your class, among your professors, and attending physicians, I guarantee you that. I hardly ever smoke any more, but when I'm away on vacation, I will toke up a joint here and there if I have one. Does that make me an irresponsible physician?? Does that decrease my work performance?? I don't think so, since THC level becomes undetectable after 1-2 weeks of use for occasional smokers. Smoking a joint on my vacation a month ago is not gonna impair my judgement and performance as a physician NOW.

Personally, I'm not opposed to legalizing MJ, and think that in our lifetime, it will be legalized at some point. But some of the claims the proponents of legalizing MJ are just ridiculous, as well as the opponents. I'm not gonna get into it at this point.

I think HotBahamaMama nailed it on the head, right now there's no way scientifically to differentiate whether someone has just smoked a joint or did it a week ago, not like the Breath-a-lyzer. I would imagine there would be less oppositions toward legalization of MJ if there is a way.

 

[fatdaddycool]

i am a "callous caregiver"?

that is a harsh judgement if you have never met me in your entire life.....

if you look at the impact of marijuana use on the economy....millions of dollars are loss due to decreased work performance.....the work lost due to marijuana addiction will far exceed the taxable income ever received from it

Freeze,
I could make a living out of these statements. IMHO you sounded callous, of course you also sounded callous in numbers of other threads where you spent time jumping to conclusions, twisting statements, and berating others. Let me go on to say that you are far from alone, or even one of the "bad ones " so to speak, but Doc, I gotta ask you. What the hell where you thinking with that last statement? Where did you get your facts from there? Millions of dollars are lost to people taking a crap at work, talking on the phone, taking long lunches, nursing hangovers, having a smoke, getting a drink of water, doing the crossword, or maybe you like to read the funnies everyday with a cup of hot joe, are you frickin kidding me. Jesus, freeze, get a grip. I am not trying to be mean or even make you feel bad but for chrissakes if you post something give an honest effort to think about what the hell you are saying first. Do you have any idea how much money we are talking about in tax dollars....????? Of course not, nobody does, it hasn't been done before.
I certainly hope your diagnosis/prognosis efforts are far less maverick there Wyatt.
I do however concede to you that you also have made some very good posts before, just not this one.

Ar182,
Good to hear from you also my friend. Glad to be back. Good write up BTW.

 

[dr. freeze]

first of all, my comments on this forum are always direct and have nothing to do how i am or will be as a caregiver

second, i stated that even if 90% of people -- which is an ESTIMATE and NOT a fact -- which anyone is free to dispute -- are not affected productivity wise by marijuana, there still is a huge loss in productivity costing billions of dollars....

i am not making any jump to conclusions, twisted statements or the like...

i state that IF 10% of people who use pot turn out to be bottom feeders, then there is a significant expense on the economy and taxpayers......

obviously i realize probably 50% of my classmates smoke recreationally....and probably none of them are affected to a significant degree....BUT -- you go to the streets on any given weekend and i bet there is a different story....underachievement is rampant

also realize that i have an understanding of what is a valid study/scientific/ or the like....i used a general figure based on my own antedotal evidence....you can discredit all you want or argue my numbers are off -- i don't care....but that is my personal approximation -- and that is 10% of pot smokers are affected severely performance wise by their habits

if anyone else has a better estimate or would like to share their own, please feel free to do so

 

[BahamaMama]

don't have a *guestimate* of my own, and everyones guestimate would depend on the specific crowd they hang with, i would suppose.....


but a question for ya Freeze.....those 10% of pot smokers that you think may be bottom feeders.....are those 10% of those that ONLY smoke pot as an illigal drug, or those that may also be involved with harder drugs? (whether because of pot or not, cuz that is a totally separate debate)

 

[fatdaddycool]

i state that IF 10% of people who use pot turn out to be bottom feeders, then there is a significant expense on the economy and taxpayers......

obviously i realize probably 50% of my classmates smoke recreationally....and probably none of them are affected to a significant degree....BUT -- you go to the streets on any given weekend and i bet there is a different story....underachievement is rampant

AAAAAAAHHHHH !?!?! Now I understand where you are coming from..yea it is all clear now. So from your personal experience, one must go to "the streets" to find said "bottom feeders", I find it amazing how quickly you are to dismiss the casual user that is in a "more important" or "respected" profession as minimally diminished, but hey lets hit the bowling alley and we can find all the pot smoking bottom feeders there. You are correct, lethargy, apathy, malpractice in the medical field, the raping of the Medicare/Medicaid program by physicians overcharging everybody and everything and driving insurance rates sky high...would .....nnnneeeeevvvveeerr be a drain on the economy. But hey they are just casual users with the ability to dispense narcotics, no bottom feeders there.
You are right, us bottom feeders are all over here on this side of the street.
Unfortunately, I have to go cuz my crackhead girlfriend needs to use the toaster oven, and with me havin the dryer door open for light and all, I need to unplug this here computer. Then me and Daisy are going to go outside and light up and see if my skirting is buckled at all. I don't think we leveled the house too good after all the rain.
"Underacheivement is rampant"...unbelievable...your right I could never acheive the level of ignorance that statement took to come up with. You do not debate an issue with arbitrary statements that may or may not be whitewashed in opinion. Debate it with facts, or at least have a point. Geez.

 

[kosar]

FDC- you saved me a lot of time by posting what you did. Thanks for that.

My favorite part is where he figures that 50% of his classmates smoke the wacky stuff, but 'none are significantly affected'. As you alluded to, it's only everybody else who is 'significantly affected'. This guy is a riot!

A couple of serious questions for anybody:

Why is Freezes avatar a picture of Felonious Monk and what does his signature of ' I am not a t-sip' mean?

 

[fatdaddycool]

kosar,
not sure about that one myself, I believe it has something to do with the "I am not a racsist" thread from some time ago. But hell, what do I know, I must be significantly affected...lol
FDC

 

[dr. freeze]

its no point arguing with you guys because you are obviously biased in opinion

bottom feeders refers to people who DO NOT WORK and nothing mroe or nothing less.....they rely on everyone else to support them

it takes a lot of hard work to just get into med school....that is why i do not see marijuana as affecting my classmates potential to a great extent.....if you are so addicted to the stuff and live for it that you can't get off the street, then obviously it has an significant impact on your life

Here IS a fact for you: The number one addiction for teenagers -- where more money is spent than all other drug combined to fight the addiction: is pot....more money is spent fighting that drug than tobacco, alcohol, ecs, crack, combined

fdc: obviously you have a problem with physicians...of course there are some bad people who practice health care....you will find those in any profession....but the majority are not....any one of us in my class could be making 6 digits right now in business/finance whatever.....but instead we are working are assess off in 6 figures of debt and living on bologna sandwiches because we find this to be the most rewarding life....hopefully we will make money later but even that is in doubt the way things are going.....

if you think doctors are charging people too much, then you are free to pursue this easy lifestyle.....if you think doctor's shouldn't make as much than you will lose most of the doctors and they will have to be replaced with even more incompetents.....

the problem wiht health care costs does not lie in doctor's salaries....if it did, then why did it used to be much more affordable while doctor's made much more $$.....you see drugs advertised on TV, lawsuits all over the place with ridiculous settlement amounts, and dozens of fat cat administrators in hospitals.....that my friend, is why health care has increased so much in the past 10-20 years

 

[ddubs]

lethargy, apathy, malpractice in the medical field, the raping of the Medicare/Medicaid program by physicians overcharging everybody and everything and driving insurance rates sky high...would .....nnnneeeeevvvveeerr be a drain on the economy.

No offense, fatdaddycool, but that was one of the funniest, and ost ignorant statements regarding physicians I've read in a long time.

If you only knew the truth.

 

[dr. freeze]

yeah i would like to see fatdaddycool spend the life of a resident/3rd year med student for 1 week and then make that statement.....or even a practicing physician seeing 40 people a day trying to make ends meet......such ignorance....

go smoke another joint fatdaddy.......

also Bahama-- i agree with you on the fact that other drugs also can take one down....and alcohol is one of them......lots of problems with that......

all these drugs have a horrible net impact on America...legalizing them wont make things any better....don't believe myself it would make things much worse either, but this would only encourage such behavior and dependence.......

i would like to invite any of you to visit the liver/kidney section of your hospital and see some of the effects of chronic drug/alchohol abuse.....also invite you to see a woman/child crisis center to see the effects.....and also the welfare lines......just not a whole lot of positive things come about from recreational drug use....leads many people (but probably not the majority as i have stated time and again) down the wrong path....

i would much rather see people investing their time in the lives of others serving and encouraging the down and discouraged....such activity is much more rewarding than the self-serving addiciton that marijuana can bring

 

[fatdaddycool]

AT no point did I question any med's student drive, ambition, or debt ratio and of course my answer to that could be as easily off the point as yours, DON"T BE A DOCTOR if it is so tough. Let me ask you this, did you spend five years in the Marine corps making 12,000 a year? I did does that make me special? Or did I sacrifice five years of hard living to accomplish a goal just like you and every one else that has a career. And what makes you think that just because they are in Med school they would automatically be good at something else such as marketing or sales cuz they are in Med school? What about molecular biologists? Will they be rich too if they decide to become astronauts or something. I did not mention one thing about the struggle of a med student only that health care costs are a drain on the economy and no offense ddubs but I do know my ex is in the health care field and went through med school on my dime while I worked and she studied so not just the student feels the pinch.
I have nothing against doctors or any profession, only those that think they deserve better just because they are in it. For instance calling someone that isn't employed a bottom feeder.
Do you think that you are the only ones that sacrifice to make a better life for themselves and therefore allows you to decide who is a drag on the economy, and to state your case you throw out some arbitrary number of people that are significantly diminished and are bottom feeders.
Then to tell me to go smoke another joint automatically assuming that I smoke pot, which of course you have no idea what I do. I get whiz quizzed regularly as I work in the transportaion industry, you see the difference in you and I is I can see past my own needs and actually consider the needs of others EVEN WHEN IT DOESN'T BENEFIT ME. Do me a favor doc, have one of those 50% in your class that are not significantly diminished but have a nice stash at home, which of course they can't afford because all their money is tied up in student loans, and askk them how they feel about. Not only will they be happy to answer you but you may give someone the false idea that you care about their opinion. Even if only for a moment.

 

[VaNurse]

Dr. Freeze:

I pity the nurses who have to attend the "bottom-feeders" you're treating. Hopefully you'll be an OB/GYN with only the Junior League wives delivering the perfect babies as your patients! Careful though, you might just find out they've smoked pot too!

 

[fletcher]

I had the same dumb ass people come to my door i said get the f out of here,if they wanted it for med reasons and i have knowen 2 people with cancer older in the mid 50's that used it as a must they were very bad off and both passed that's ok if you want to pass a bill like that. but the stuoid shit here 3 oz's and under ok was bs. i will be the first to say i did that and much worse but i do not want it in my state hey if they want to pass that then pass the law so juice is able to be bought the same way with out recourse.

It's bad enough out here with drinking and driving now it would be drinking ,meth,and weed and driving no thanks.

I am glad it was shot down and i voted no. Like i said if they want to write it up for people whom they think need it i have no problem with that it would be like me and xannax but not just to use it because cops are to damn lazy to do the paper work. and that was a big part of it . Live out here and drive around after say 10 pm and i bet 40-50% of the people on the road or higher are dui or dwi out here , It's like mad max at times and the later it is the worse it gets,then At 4-11 am is just as bad because of the swing shift and graveyard people are out and to them it's night so its a city full of people on the road i would bet more then any other place driving at any time with some type beer or liquor or other in there system. And for those that might wonder no i do not drive when i take xannax for the first few hours i have but do-not make it a point since i take 1 mg 3 times a day could care less if i drive would reather relax and get work done ,if i have meetings and things to do i do them in the am then take it when i come home because it would still be a dui on the books.

I am glad it did not pass. like i said if they want to add an admendment for the people who they feel it would help that is fine by me but not for anyone to just have it,just another reason i am counting the years till i can get to new smyrna beach and fish and be a beach bum again or more like a little orca

 

[AR182]

ddubs,

No offense but i don't think FDC's comments were entirely wrong.My first job out of college was working for the Medicaid section in NYC & I remember that their were cases of doctors,hospitals, nursing hiomes,& medical supply stores over billing medicaid for millions of dollars.Even now evey once in awhile you will read about people in the medical profession bilking medicaid & medicare for millions.
As far as apathy is concern; a few months ago in Boston an orthopedic surgeon in the middle of performing back surgery excused himself to go to the bank to cash a check. He was gone for a 1/2 hour. He did not care one bit about this poor guy that he left on the operating table. I heard the patients doctor on a news program & he stated that of course he will be suing the doctor & the facility for malpractice.

Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking the medical field. I think it is a noble profession to be able to help people. There are creeps in all fields like this doctor who don't give a shit about their jobs. I just wanted to point out to you that what FDC said wasn't ignorant.

Dr. Freeze,

What makes you think that FDC, with the proper training couldn't become an md. What do you know about him to think he couldn't do it. He strikes me as an intelligent person who could do that work with the proper education. I am impressed that he was in the marines for 5 years. I had a friend who was in the marines in the early 70's & he told me about the type of training he went through. It was pretty brutal. But that was during the VietNam war, don't know if FDC had the same training as my friend.If he did I give him much credit. I wonder if you could do that. Or if you could even take hell week that football players go through during the summer.
You shouldn't call someone who you only met on the internet ignorant.You don't know enough about that person to form an honest opinion. If I was to do that, I would say that based on everything that I have read in your posts you are picking the wrong field of work to go into. Based on what you write here you are too abbrasive in your manner to deal with sick people. But like I said it is incorrect to form an opinion about somebody based on what they write on the internet.

 

[ddubs]

FDC, AR182:

No prob, guys, no offense taken. I hope you guys feel the same. I re-read FDC's post a couple of times, and I guess I could have taken his statement a couple of ways. By no means was I calling FDC an ignorant person , just I thought that particular statement was ignorant. I was trying to point out that it's a wide-spread misconception that physicians are the primary causes for the ridiculously rapid increase in insurance costs, without going into the details because that was off the topic of this thread. One of the biggest causes for the increase, for example, is the increasing number of "for-profit" hospitals that charge substantially more than the "non-profit" hospitals (~12% in late 90's to ~35% as of last yr). When I was a med student, one of the hospitals affiliated with my school was bought out by 8 lawyers, who immediately made numerous cost cutting measures to increase their revenue. 5 years later, the hospital was torn down and turned into a bowling alley. Sad. There are much more, of course, I could go on forever. But I think you guys get the drift.

I do feel terrible for those patients who were negligently cared for by those docs (how about the fawker who wrote his initials on his surgical patient with a scalpel). Unforatunately, there will always be bad apples in the basket, if you will. Hopefully, they will be properly repremanded. But rest assured that for every one of those SOB's out there, there are 100 other docs that are working their asses off, caring for their patients diligently to improve in their patients' health. And now-a-days, the residency and internship training put more emphasis than ever on establishing a good patient-physician relationship, rather than just diagnosis and treatment. The best advice I ever got from a doc while I was training was "you can know 99 differential diagnosis of a certain symptom, but it's all worthless if you can't gain the trust of your patient and elicit the proper information".

To be honest with you, Medicine is no longer a highly profitable profession (unless you go to a specialty, of course). The first thing I tell someone who asks me about becoming a doc is that he/she better make sure he/she really wants to be a doc for the right reason, because there're much easier ways to make better money out there. I think Dr Freeze, in his own way, was also trying to point that out. Do you know an average Pediatrician who sees 50 sick kids a day for 6 days a week makes only a little over 90K a year?? Tough to pay off that 250,000 student loan with that kind of money, right? I make a comfortable living, but I ain't gonna be rich from being a IM/ER doc. It irritates me to hear people say that docs make too much money (not that you guys did) because damn, I paid my dues and I give the best care I can provide every time a patient walks into my room, and I know that everyday I make a little bit of difference. And frankly, at the risk of sounding pompous, I think I'm worth it. My wife's pharmacy manager almost makes as much as I do.

Anyways, I'm getting way off topic. Good discussion, none the less. Take care.:toast: Now let's do some capping.

 

[ddubs]

Oh yeah, Fletch, totally agree with you. 3 ounces?? WTF is that all about?? How'd they come up with that figure?? That's hell of a lot of weed, even for the whole yr. Although that's probably a week worth for Always Prayen. :thefinger

 

[fatdaddycool]

AR182,
thank you for getting my back my friend, it is truly appreciated and the words you wrote were right on track. I was in the Corps from 82-87, didn't have any Vietnam experience though. Closest I got to anything was doing a cargo drop in Grenada. But my point was and is that all professions and all walks of people carry with them their own trials and tribulations, and their own reasons for legalization. Of course I think that the right to smoke dope will be abused but it is abused now as we speak, that will change nothing. I do however believe that the FDA turns a blind eye to the subject due to its controversial matter.
ddubs,
As I stated, I have all the respect in the world for Doctors and Nurses, but I respect a teacher and a guy going through the trash for aluminum cans equally as well. They are ALL honest livings, and no profession speaks to the integrity of the person. You are not a well respected member of the community simply because you struggled through med school and internship, you may be a hard worker with dogged determination...but no better than the slightly retarded man that picks up my trash, and nor am I for that matter. My question is this, what if it does really help? Of course there are other drugs such as Marinol etc..., but who are we to tell someone that is wretching and heaving due to chemo that they can't use something to bring their life back to a higher level of comfort simply because others abuse the privelege. As far as Medicare/medicaid goes, physicians are not the sole cause of its problems only a contributer and not all of them cheat, insurance companies may be the biggest drag on the medical system of all, with exorbitant rates for the elderly etc... Don't get me wrong dude, any profession is an honorable profession when you are talking about providing for others. But there are a ton of people that manage Racetrac for a living and still take care of business, to generalize any one group as bottom feeders is utterly ridiculous. And I know that wasn't you.....so cheers bro
Freeze,
Maybe you should try pot it may open your mind a little bit. Never met anyone that obviously is very book smart yet so out of touch. Good luck and let me know when you start your practice, I wish you all the best.

 

[dr. freeze]

dude i am not out of touch at all.....so don't make judgments about me....have lived in Houston for past 3 years and have seen it all everywhere -- downtown, richmond, uptown, yuppieville, the hood, the flaming part of town, chinatown -- you name it.....have seen alot in the last few years....just last night in fact i saw about 4 different drugs being abused namely ecs, coc, marijana, and bz's....

i state FDC's ignorance only because he seemed to think of medical people in the wrong way....later you state that you respect the profession.....i see conflicting views now....

people who are out of work or down and out are so for a variety of reasons....i want to see them fight their adversity and i see many of the drug dependencies as holding them back.....i see women and children who are victims of horrible/absolutely aweful abuse all the time.....and i see the effects of drug/alcohol abuse on these people and the deep deep wounds that are inflicted.....the pain that these people endure emotionally/physicaly/ psychologically is enormous....i could tell you story after story of what i have seen and heard just this week....

that is not being out of touch......it is out of touch to be off the streets and not exposed to things happening around yourself....it is out of touch if you are unable to see what is happening in the lives of these people and to overlook what can happen in many people -- and i repeat not most -- when drugs are used recreationally.....nothing positive that i have seen has come out of a drug addiction....absolutely nothing other than temporary sensory gratification.....

telling me i need to smoke a joint to "open my mind" is pathetic.....what if in smoking a joint i became addicted and eventually lost all my ambition for living and became dependent solely on my drug problem for my reason for living.....what kind of advice would that be? and i see this stuff all the time....all the time....i see people who are so disabled by their drug addiction that they can't hold a job, become involved in their children's lives, or develop meaningful relationships with other people....they live for their drug and nothing else.....

i recommend you open your mind FDC -- and get involved in the lives of others, instill hope and encourage the down and out, and develop meaningful relationships with others so that you can have a positive impact in their lives.....doing so will be healthy for you and will be much more fulfilling than that joint you just put down

 

[AR182]

ddubs,

No hard feelings at my end also. I read your last post & if you do work in the er of a hospital I must commend you. I used to work nites in probably one of the largest municipal hospitals in the country. Kings County Hosp., in Brooklyn, NY was about 10 blocks long by about 5 blocks wide. It must have been made up of about 15-20 different buildings.Patients were brought from all over the country to this hosp. The er on week nites & on weekends was very chaotic. The pressure these doctors, nurses, & aides were under was tremendous. If you work in a hosp. even half the size of Kings County you have my true admiration. And I could only say to you good luck & keep up the good work. Gambling is a good way to relieve the pressure.

FDC,

Are you going to be in Vegas during the superbowl weekend. I am looking forward to meeting ALl the people who post here.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Ar182,
I am certainly going to try it reallydepends on the flts etc...I fly standby. If I do get there you will certainly be one of the first I look up.

Freeze,

i state FDC's ignorance only because he seemed to think of medical people in the wrong way....later you state that you respect the profession.....i see conflicting views now....

So if someone doesn't think of something in what you deem an appropriate manner tthey become ignorant, besides I said,

As I stated, I have all the respect in the world for Doctors and Nurses, but I respect a teacher and a guy going through the trash for aluminum cans equally as well. They are ALL honest livings, and no profession speaks to the integrity of the person.

You are the only one that thinks you deserve an extra measure of respect because you do the job you were trained for, that you chose, your career??? And because of this I, and the rest of the public should consider you some kind of hero?
Doc, I have news for ya, there are people that are equally as heroic as you living in a methadone clinic, going to A.A. and N.A., or whatever. You are no hero, you are a practitioner of medicine, nothing more nothing less. The only thing ignorant is the effluvia coming from you. Now, being a doc you should know what that means.

telling me i need to smoke a joint to "open my mind" is pathetic.....what if in smoking a joint i became addicted and eventually lost all my ambition for living and became dependent solely on my drug problem for my reason for living.....what kind of advice would that be?

yeah i would like to see fatdaddycool spend the life of a resident/3rd year med student for 1 week and then make that statement.....or even a practicing physician seeing 40 people a day trying to make ends meet......such ignorance....

go smoke another joint fatdaddy

O.K. brainiac, Question number one of the Common Sense test:
Make a comment such as go smoke another joint, then when someone repeats the comment back to you ...you
a.) realize that you made the original comment and let it go
B.) See the err of your ways and say to yourself "Self, that was a stupid statement".
C.) Call the person who you made original statement to "pathetic" when they repeat it to you. Which makes the originator even more pathetic.
D>) realize you are an idiot and select all of the above

i see people who are so disabled by their drug addiction that they can't hold a job, become involved in their children's lives, or develop meaningful relationships with other people....they live for their drug and nothing else.....

How the hell do you know what those drug users relationships consist of, Doc, and I use the term loosely, what the hell is the matter with you. What do you know about them, you treat them with all to obvious contempt and you expect anyone to believe that you follow up on their miserable lives. After you cut 'em and gut 'em, where does the bill go Doc, no insurance but hell you don't do pro bono work do you Doc. No you just sit around the laptop and tell me to do something meaningful to enrich the lives of others, let me tell you something you pompous ass, I served in our country's armed forces, did you? I voted the other day, did you? I flew up to chicago on a work day wtihout pay to see my mother retire, did you, without sticking your hand out or patting yourself on the back? I do volunteer work EVERY SATURDAY from 730a.m. to 2:30 p.m. do you?
The difference in you and I Doc, is I do respect your profession a great deal, notice I said profession, not you. Because someone is less fortunate, just by reading your post I know this is true it is pasted all over your attitude, you treat them for their illnesses yet hold them in contempt as wasted lives. If I am ever in Kansas I will make sure that I wear monogramed underwear, so when one of the orderlies cuts off my clothes and goes and gets you I may actually get some treatment with care involved. I am pathetic...wow ...thats rich.