New Air security
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how about this one.
Everyone that flys into the US has to go through only airports that provide the proper security.
The others will soon come around.
They make money when people are moving through their airports.
That's funny, leave it to you gw. Hope you had a great Christmas.
Wtf-now they are saying you can't read a book, or get up to take a leak throughout the duration of the flight wtf?
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I dont really mind a dog smelling my nuts I guess
if its for the safety of other Americans
when can I have my blanky and pillow back
the dog can smell my nuts....but,my nuts aren`t going through any x-ray machine...my prostate`s the size of manny pacquaio`s head already...
Passengers again free to move around cabin
Strict in-flight rules following failed bombing attempt relaxed, officials say
Carlos Osorio / AP
New security measures for international flights heading toward the U.S., TSA said, will require increased gate screening ?including pat-downs and bag searches? and a variety of in-flight restrictions.
View related photos Video
Heightened security leads to high anxiety
Dec. 28: Although longer security lines added to travel aggravations on Monday, most holiday travelers said they were prepared to accept the added inconvenience of increased airport security in the interest of safety. NBC's Kevin Tibbles reports.
updated 10 minutes ago
CHICAGO - You are now free to move about the cabin. Or not.
After a two-day security clampdown prompted by a thwarted attempt to bomb a jetliner, some airline officials told The Associated Press that the in-flight restrictions had been eased. And it was now up to captains on each flight to decide whether passengers can have blankets and other items on their laps or can move around during the final phase of flight.
Confused? So were scores of passengers who flew Monday on one of the busiest travel days of the year. On some flights, passengers were told to keep their hands visible and not to listen to iPods. Even babies were frisked. But on other planes, security appeared no tighter than usual.
The Transportation Security Administration did little to explain the rules. And that inconsistency might well have been deliberate: What's confusing to passengers is also confusing to potential terrorists.
"It keeps them guessing," transportation expert Joseph Schwieterman said.
By not making public a point-by-point list of new security rules, federal officials also retain more flexibility, the DePaul University professor added, enabling them to target responses to certain airports or flights seen as more vulnerable.
"There was criticism after 9-11 that rules could be way too cookbook ? not allowing authorities to adapt them to different settings, to different airports," Schwieterman said.
If the objective was to befuddle, then on Monday it was mission accomplished.
On one Air Canada flight from Toronto to New York's LaGuardia Airport, crew members told passengers before departure that they were not allowed to use any electronic devices ? even iPods ? and would not be able to access their personal belongings during the one-hour flight.
The questions came as President Barack Obama ordered a review of air-safety regulations. TSA spokeswoman Sterling Payne declined to offer details other than to say the agency would "continually review and update these measures to ensure the highest level of security."
An hour before a US Air flight from Manchester, England, to Philadelphia landed, flight attendants removed passengers' blankets and told them to keep their "hands visible," said passenger Walt Swanson of Cumbria, England.
Even bathroom visits were affected on some flights.
On Continental Flight 1788 from Cancun, Mexico, to Newark, three airport security agents frisked everyone at the gate, including babies, prompting one to scream loudly in protest. On the plane, crew announced that the toilets would be shut down the last hour of the flight and passengers would not be able eat, drink, or use electronic devices.
The warning that the bathrooms would be shut down led to lines 10 people deep at each lavatory. A demand by one attendant that no could read anything either elicited gasps of disbelief and howls of laughter.
In-cabin screens normally showing the plane's location and flight path were switched off on an Air France flight Saturday from San Francisco to Paris. Flight attendants said they were turned off as a security measure.
One of the Transportation Security Administration restrictions that most annoyed the airlines was an order to shut off in-flight entertainment systems on international flights. Airlines objected, and on Sunday night, the TSA apparently relented and left it to the discretion of airline crews to decide whether to turn off the systems.
"It was a hardship on our customers," said Mateo Lleras, a spokesman for JetBlue Airways, which touts its seatback entertainment systems and operates international flights to the Caribbean, Mexico and Costa Rica. "We're not in position to challenge the TSA security directives, and we do the best we can to comply."
The TSA also relaxed rules that had prohibited passengers from leaving their seats, opening carry-on bags and keeping blankets or babies on their laps during the last hour of international flights entering the U.S., according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the TSA had not publicly disclosed the change.
Crews were given the authority to impose restrictions for shorter periods or not at all, said the official.
Passenger: 'I was sure I was going to die'
Dec. 28: Recalling the horrifying moments on Northwest Flight 253, passenger Daniel Huisinga tell Msnbc's Contessa Brewer that he was sure he 'was going to die.' Watch the interview.
msnbc tv
Holiday traveler Sharen Rayburn, of Trion, Ga., said it took two hours to get through security in Denver because guards were checking every bag multiple times.
"You're a little more apprehensive to fly. You kind of pay attention to everybody," she said after landing at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International.
At Pearson International Airport in Toronto on Monday morning, every U.S.-bound passenger was subjected to a pat-down and luggage was inspected by hand. It took about three hours to get through the checks, with some information boards citing the security measures for several delays and cancelations.
Elsewhere, especially on domestic flights, passengers said they had not detected security upgrades.
"I honestly didn't notice a difference, and we didn't receive any special instructions from the crew," said James Merling, a 68-year-old doctor who flew from Marquette, Mich., to Boston's Logan International Airport on Monday.
Lexi Wirthlin, 22, who arrived at Philadelphia International Airport on Monday from St. Louis, Mo., said she was warned by friends to expect long lines at airport screening points or other hassles onboard.
"I was expecting it to be intense," she said. "But it was totally fine."
But just because authorities imposed and then pulled back on in-flight rules in the last couple of days does not mean they will never be reinstated.
Schwieterman said new safety procedures have a tendency to become permanent, citing how attempted shoe-bomber Richard Reid's attack in 2001 ushered in footwear checks.
"I would say it is hard to imagine going back to a more lax security process given the persistence of these attempts," he said. "This is now a part of everyday life."
What now?
TSA said it will ?continuously review these measures to ensure the highest levels of security,? so travelers could very well see changes to the rules rushed out over the weekend.
Meantime, here are some answers to help you navigate your way in the immediate future.
Video
Security rules tighten in wake of terror scare
Dec. 28: Air travelers faced a new reality this weekend in the wake of the Christmas Day terror scare, as tougher security measures were imposed on the ground and in flight. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.
Nightly News
Q: Will strict security rules be the same at all airports?
A: For now, security checkpoint requirements for passengers departing U.S. airports remain the same; most of the new security measures apply to flights heading to the U.S. from other countries. But as Homeland Security?s Secretary Janet Napolitano warned, some new security measures put in place ?are designed to be unpredictable,? so you may not see the same procedures in force everywhere. Bottom line? Be ready for anything.
Q: How early should passengers arrive at the airport?
A: Given the confusion over the new rules and possible delays at domestic and international security checkpoints, it?s a good idea to head to the airport as early as possible, especially if you?re traveling on an incoming international flight. American Airlines, for example, is urging passengers to arrive at least three hours early for an international flight to the U.S. Due to long lines, American and United has also announced a change fee waiver for customers flying from Canada to the United States. Other airlines may follow suit.
Do what you can to minimize delays: go online to get a boarding pass and to pay for checked luggage, and double-check to make sure all items in your carry-on bag meet TSA requirements. This will not be a good time to argue that your 6-ounce tube of toothpaste should be allowed through security because the tube is only half-full.
Q: Are airlines waiving all checked-bag fees for international flights to the U.S?
A: No. Because passengers are no longer able to take more than one carry-on bag onto a U.S.-bound flight, many airlines are temporarily waiving the checked bag fee for additional carry-on bags turned away. That waiver is temporary and only applies to bags that would have met an airline?s size and weight definition of a carry-on bag, but not on any bag that would have otherwise traveled as checked luggage.
Bottom line: try to fit items you might need during your flight into one carry-on bag. Check your airline?s size and weight restrictions for carry-on bags and get out your tape measure before heading to the airport. And be prepared for these rules to change: late Sunday evening, for example, WestJet announced that it would no longer accept roller bags or larger backpacks as carry-on luggage.
Click for related content
Why airport security failed to catch bomber
Obama says U.S. will keep pressure on enemies
Q: Are long delays experienced over the weekend going to continue?
A: Most likely. It?s a good idea to arrive at the airport as early as possible. Bring snacks, books and other items to keep yourself occupied and calm while waiting in line. And be sure to print out and/or program into your cell phone the contact numbers for your airline, car rental agency and hotel. If you miss your flight because of security delays, you?ll need to get on the phone right away to rebook your reservations.
Q: How long will these new TSA rules be in effect?
A: It?s hard to tell. It?s likely that some of the restrictions will be changed and/or relaxed over the next few days and weeks, so keep an eye on airport, airline and government Web sites
Strict in-flight rules following failed bombing attempt relaxed, officials say
Carlos Osorio / AP
New security measures for international flights heading toward the U.S., TSA said, will require increased gate screening ?including pat-downs and bag searches? and a variety of in-flight restrictions.
View related photos Video
Heightened security leads to high anxiety
Dec. 28: Although longer security lines added to travel aggravations on Monday, most holiday travelers said they were prepared to accept the added inconvenience of increased airport security in the interest of safety. NBC's Kevin Tibbles reports.
updated 10 minutes ago
CHICAGO - You are now free to move about the cabin. Or not.
After a two-day security clampdown prompted by a thwarted attempt to bomb a jetliner, some airline officials told The Associated Press that the in-flight restrictions had been eased. And it was now up to captains on each flight to decide whether passengers can have blankets and other items on their laps or can move around during the final phase of flight.
Confused? So were scores of passengers who flew Monday on one of the busiest travel days of the year. On some flights, passengers were told to keep their hands visible and not to listen to iPods. Even babies were frisked. But on other planes, security appeared no tighter than usual.
The Transportation Security Administration did little to explain the rules. And that inconsistency might well have been deliberate: What's confusing to passengers is also confusing to potential terrorists.
"It keeps them guessing," transportation expert Joseph Schwieterman said.
By not making public a point-by-point list of new security rules, federal officials also retain more flexibility, the DePaul University professor added, enabling them to target responses to certain airports or flights seen as more vulnerable.
"There was criticism after 9-11 that rules could be way too cookbook ? not allowing authorities to adapt them to different settings, to different airports," Schwieterman said.
If the objective was to befuddle, then on Monday it was mission accomplished.
On one Air Canada flight from Toronto to New York's LaGuardia Airport, crew members told passengers before departure that they were not allowed to use any electronic devices ? even iPods ? and would not be able to access their personal belongings during the one-hour flight.
The questions came as President Barack Obama ordered a review of air-safety regulations. TSA spokeswoman Sterling Payne declined to offer details other than to say the agency would "continually review and update these measures to ensure the highest level of security."
An hour before a US Air flight from Manchester, England, to Philadelphia landed, flight attendants removed passengers' blankets and told them to keep their "hands visible," said passenger Walt Swanson of Cumbria, England.
Even bathroom visits were affected on some flights.
On Continental Flight 1788 from Cancun, Mexico, to Newark, three airport security agents frisked everyone at the gate, including babies, prompting one to scream loudly in protest. On the plane, crew announced that the toilets would be shut down the last hour of the flight and passengers would not be able eat, drink, or use electronic devices.
The warning that the bathrooms would be shut down led to lines 10 people deep at each lavatory. A demand by one attendant that no could read anything either elicited gasps of disbelief and howls of laughter.
In-cabin screens normally showing the plane's location and flight path were switched off on an Air France flight Saturday from San Francisco to Paris. Flight attendants said they were turned off as a security measure.
One of the Transportation Security Administration restrictions that most annoyed the airlines was an order to shut off in-flight entertainment systems on international flights. Airlines objected, and on Sunday night, the TSA apparently relented and left it to the discretion of airline crews to decide whether to turn off the systems.
"It was a hardship on our customers," said Mateo Lleras, a spokesman for JetBlue Airways, which touts its seatback entertainment systems and operates international flights to the Caribbean, Mexico and Costa Rica. "We're not in position to challenge the TSA security directives, and we do the best we can to comply."
The TSA also relaxed rules that had prohibited passengers from leaving their seats, opening carry-on bags and keeping blankets or babies on their laps during the last hour of international flights entering the U.S., according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the TSA had not publicly disclosed the change.
Crews were given the authority to impose restrictions for shorter periods or not at all, said the official.
Passenger: 'I was sure I was going to die'
Dec. 28: Recalling the horrifying moments on Northwest Flight 253, passenger Daniel Huisinga tell Msnbc's Contessa Brewer that he was sure he 'was going to die.' Watch the interview.
msnbc tv
Holiday traveler Sharen Rayburn, of Trion, Ga., said it took two hours to get through security in Denver because guards were checking every bag multiple times.
"You're a little more apprehensive to fly. You kind of pay attention to everybody," she said after landing at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International.
At Pearson International Airport in Toronto on Monday morning, every U.S.-bound passenger was subjected to a pat-down and luggage was inspected by hand. It took about three hours to get through the checks, with some information boards citing the security measures for several delays and cancelations.
Elsewhere, especially on domestic flights, passengers said they had not detected security upgrades.
"I honestly didn't notice a difference, and we didn't receive any special instructions from the crew," said James Merling, a 68-year-old doctor who flew from Marquette, Mich., to Boston's Logan International Airport on Monday.
Lexi Wirthlin, 22, who arrived at Philadelphia International Airport on Monday from St. Louis, Mo., said she was warned by friends to expect long lines at airport screening points or other hassles onboard.
"I was expecting it to be intense," she said. "But it was totally fine."
But just because authorities imposed and then pulled back on in-flight rules in the last couple of days does not mean they will never be reinstated.
Schwieterman said new safety procedures have a tendency to become permanent, citing how attempted shoe-bomber Richard Reid's attack in 2001 ushered in footwear checks.
"I would say it is hard to imagine going back to a more lax security process given the persistence of these attempts," he said. "This is now a part of everyday life."
What now?
TSA said it will ?continuously review these measures to ensure the highest levels of security,? so travelers could very well see changes to the rules rushed out over the weekend.
Meantime, here are some answers to help you navigate your way in the immediate future.
Video
Security rules tighten in wake of terror scare
Dec. 28: Air travelers faced a new reality this weekend in the wake of the Christmas Day terror scare, as tougher security measures were imposed on the ground and in flight. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.
Nightly News
Q: Will strict security rules be the same at all airports?
A: For now, security checkpoint requirements for passengers departing U.S. airports remain the same; most of the new security measures apply to flights heading to the U.S. from other countries. But as Homeland Security?s Secretary Janet Napolitano warned, some new security measures put in place ?are designed to be unpredictable,? so you may not see the same procedures in force everywhere. Bottom line? Be ready for anything.
Q: How early should passengers arrive at the airport?
A: Given the confusion over the new rules and possible delays at domestic and international security checkpoints, it?s a good idea to head to the airport as early as possible, especially if you?re traveling on an incoming international flight. American Airlines, for example, is urging passengers to arrive at least three hours early for an international flight to the U.S. Due to long lines, American and United has also announced a change fee waiver for customers flying from Canada to the United States. Other airlines may follow suit.
Do what you can to minimize delays: go online to get a boarding pass and to pay for checked luggage, and double-check to make sure all items in your carry-on bag meet TSA requirements. This will not be a good time to argue that your 6-ounce tube of toothpaste should be allowed through security because the tube is only half-full.
Q: Are airlines waiving all checked-bag fees for international flights to the U.S?
A: No. Because passengers are no longer able to take more than one carry-on bag onto a U.S.-bound flight, many airlines are temporarily waiving the checked bag fee for additional carry-on bags turned away. That waiver is temporary and only applies to bags that would have met an airline?s size and weight definition of a carry-on bag, but not on any bag that would have otherwise traveled as checked luggage.
Bottom line: try to fit items you might need during your flight into one carry-on bag. Check your airline?s size and weight restrictions for carry-on bags and get out your tape measure before heading to the airport. And be prepared for these rules to change: late Sunday evening, for example, WestJet announced that it would no longer accept roller bags or larger backpacks as carry-on luggage.
Click for related content
Why airport security failed to catch bomber
Obama says U.S. will keep pressure on enemies
Q: Are long delays experienced over the weekend going to continue?
A: Most likely. It?s a good idea to arrive at the airport as early as possible. Bring snacks, books and other items to keep yourself occupied and calm while waiting in line. And be sure to print out and/or program into your cell phone the contact numbers for your airline, car rental agency and hotel. If you miss your flight because of security delays, you?ll need to get on the phone right away to rebook your reservations.
Q: How long will these new TSA rules be in effect?
A: It?s hard to tell. It?s likely that some of the restrictions will be changed and/or relaxed over the next few days and weeks, so keep an eye on airport, airline and government Web sites
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I just picked my mom up from a flight Baltimore to Indianapolis. Since the flight was less than 2 hours, no passengers were permitted to leave their seat the entire flight. They were instructed to use the restrooms prior to boarding.
I feel for the people who sat at the bar and had 4 or 5 before the flight :sadwave:
This rule doesn't bother me one bit because I never leave my seat anyway, ever. But some people who drink are in for some uncomfortable flights :sadwave:
I feel for the people who sat at the bar and had 4 or 5 before the flight :sadwave:
This rule doesn't bother me one bit because I never leave my seat anyway, ever. But some people who drink are in for some uncomfortable flights :sadwave:
:shrug:
crazy, huh?
maybe emergency situations, you get escorted by a flight attendant :shrug:
what happens if you get up anyway?
Some pictures of the bomb:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2786919/Underpants-bomb-is-revealed.html
The 23-year-old Nigerian has told security chiefs of a sinister network in Yemen who are ready and waiting to strike. The reports come after The Sun revealed that cops fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...s-are-plotting-to-bomb-Western-airliners.html
How in the hell it would be possible to search bomb like that from clothes or luggage :shrug:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2786919/Underpants-bomb-is-revealed.html
The 23-year-old Nigerian has told security chiefs of a sinister network in Yemen who are ready and waiting to strike. The reports come after The Sun revealed that cops fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...s-are-plotting-to-bomb-Western-airliners.html
How in the hell it would be possible to search bomb like that from clothes or luggage :shrug:
Two al Qaeda Leaders Behind Northwest Flight 253 Terror Plot Were Released by U.S.
Former Guantanamo Prisoners Believed Behind Northwest Airlines Bomb Plot; Sent to Saudi Arabia in 2007
By BRIAN ROSS, JOSEPH RHEE and REHAB EL-BURI
Dec. 28, 2009
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northwest-flight-253-al-qaeda-leaders-terror-plot/story?id=9434065
Former Guantanamo Prisoners Believed Behind Northwest Airlines Bomb Plot; Sent to Saudi Arabia in 2007
By BRIAN ROSS, JOSEPH RHEE and REHAB EL-BURI
Dec. 28, 2009
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/northwest-flight-253-al-qaeda-leaders-terror-plot/story?id=9434065
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j64v-Xjoy0WfEWV5VRFVtNnBZTUwD9CNDT3G0
more potential mistakes..
wasn't Ali Al-Shihari released in 2007 under Bush:shrug:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/world/middleeast/23yemen.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/world/middleeast/23yemen.html
yes...it happened under bush`s tenure...but why did it happen?...
who wants these guys released,shammy?..who wants gitmo cl;osed?.....bush and cheney?....
i don`t think so...intense pressure from the aclu,the media,the u.n....the europeans...and the democrats..
if bush had his way,these guys would sit until the end of hostilities,or they die...just like ww2...and every other conflict in history......
that`s why these monsters get released...tried in civil courts...given the same rights as u.s. citizens...
who wants these monsters held in prisons inside the u.s. instead of 90 miles offshore?....
guess who?
if jack wants to throw this in political,by all means do...
but,you asked the question...i`m just answering it...
:shrug: ...i`m not looking in this thread again...i have more than enough aggravation to keep my b.p. borderline high...:lol:
Garden, unlike most, probably all in this forum, my kid brother was in the world trade center on 9-11.I wouldn't object to loudly if they killed all of them at gitmo. Then again, what have they released like close to 600 since 2002? Were they all guilty? I have no idea. But somehow I recognize dogs insinuation in this thread.
