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  • i'm voting mccain

    Votes: 37 46.8%
  • i'm voting obama

    Votes: 36 45.6%
  • i'm voting other

    Votes: 6 7.6%

  • Total voters
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IMO; RON PAUL WOULD DO JUST FINE.
If the democrats can't deliver a better candidate than obama then they,"the democrats", deserve to be beaten on election day.
THE COUNTRY CAN'T WIN WITH EITHER CANDIDATE.
The news media has such control over the dumb ass citizens that the media spins it to where a guy like Ron Paul can't even get a fair chance. The spin is that Paul is a lunatic or worst.
The real power controls the owners of the news media and ownership has become a monopoly so they'll be no 3rd party.
 

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The Final Debate: Angry White Man

John of the Grimaces met Barack the Unflappable in Hempstead tonight, and the guy with the arctic cool, not surprisingly, prevailed.

Now we know why Obama?s aides were goading McCain earlier this week to raise the Bill Ayres issue in the debate. They wanted to play McCain?s rage against Obama?s measured, judicious, statesmanlike, even a bit boring presidentiality. And McCain obliged them big time.

The Arizona senator had been doing well up until that moment, which came about half an hour into the debate. But as he recounted the Obama attack ads (which may outnumber McCain?s in raw numbers, since Obama has more money than God, but which come nowhere close to the percentage of McCain commercials that are attack ads), McCain started seething, and after Obama answered his attack on the Ayres connection, McCain couldn?t stop. He kept on attacking, then remembered that people didn?t actually like this, pirouetted to say that his campaign was about issues, and fell flat on his face, not to rise again for the duration of the debate.

The Obama campaign has always believed that if McCain was going to be knocked out in the course of a debate, it would be at the hands of McCain. Obama?s role, not the most scintillating, was to swat away the attacks and get back to some real-world issue for the second-half of each answer. It was to look resolute, but also to be the world?s least
angry -- or more precisely, anger-able -- black man.

At times, McCain recalled the Bob Dole of the ?96 campaign, mixing indignation with the Beltway shorthand that even a candidate running against Washington cannot escape after spending several decades in Congress. Discussing the merits of the Colombian Free Trade agreement with references to the FARC -- how many Americans knew what the hell he was talking about? By the debate?s last half-hour, in which the candidates went over health care, energy, abortion and education, Obama was on his home turf and McCain plainly wasn?t. (Watching CNN, which has those squiggles representing swing voter reaction to every word, I noted that the dials moved not at all as McCain got into the weeds of his health care plan: On health care, McCain was flat-lining.)

Plainly, Obama?s goals in the three presidential debates were to show his understanding of how the nation?s problems affect real people and to put out some plausible-sounding solutions, and, just as if not more important, to show people he was serious, reliable, thoughtful and safe -- just the guy to steer us through rough economic times. As the debates dwindled down to a precious one, McCain?s goals were all but contradictory: to attack Obama hard enough to get the kid to crack and to reverse voter sentiment, but not hard enough to reinforce the impression that he was waging a preponderantly negative campaign or, worse yet, that he was an angry white man. In short, he had to square a circle. In short, he didn?t.

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Down goes Frazier ! Down goes Frazier !
 

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I will admit that I am a bit age discriminatory. I would have strongly considered voting for a dem candidate this election because McCain seems out of touch. I respect McCain for his service, but am not sure that he has all of his faculties. Am I the only person in America who thinks McCain is moving ever-so-swiftly into a state of senility?

Of course, I am handcuffed to McCain because Obama's attack on the self-employed hurts my pocket right out of the gate. My marginal income tax rate will increase minimally by over 7% because I am a self-employed member of what would be termed by most as the socio-economic upper middle class. This 7-10% will not keep my family from eating, but it will take away from our quality of life. And why, so that we can pay for outlandish handout programs to Africa, or to provide some tax breaks for those who are considered the working poor? Its the same as this fawking war. Problem with the war is we can't just step out tomorrow, we need to start the phase out now and get out of there completely in the next couple years imo. If anyone needs to pay for this type of bullsh*t, it should be the actual wealthy. Obama talks about not increasing the tax burden on those earning less than $250K, but that is an outright lie. Self-employed will immediately pay the roughly 15% social security tax for earnings over the current cap of $100K. The new cap will be raised to $250K. Elimination of the capital gains tax and increased tax burden for didivdend recipients also hurt me personally.

That said, my vote means nothing in this election. McCain will carry Louisiana because this is a red state, but also because the black population is far exceeded by whites statewide, despite New Orleans "proper" being 60% black. No way that you could convince Joe the caucasion sugar cane farmer to vote for a black person in any election. The only reason they voted in our current Indian governor, Bobby Jindal, is because they voted in a dumb white woman 4+ years ago who made a mockery of us worldwide in the aftermath of Katrina. Still, Jindal is Indian, while Obama is a n*gger to them, even though he is 50% white.

So now you know why I am now voting McCain/Palin in '08. BTW, my original choice for prez was Ron Paul. Anyone can say Obama = change, but those of us who are level-headed bipartisan types realize that Ron Paul was the true candidate for change. Too bad so many of us are afraid of it.

Pretty much agree on most points Cie--Mac certainly not my top pick--but as you say look at alternative---
Think for a second what we'd have with extremely liberal pres and congress with majority--it be free ticket to socialism for 2 years anyway.

Has history taught us nothing--last time we had this scenerio was in Clintons 1st 2 years--and didn't take "the people" long to see results and revolt--you saw same thing happen with gop recently.
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USA Today calls it "the hidden election," in which nearly 7,000 state legislative seats are decided with only minimal media and public attention. But there was an important national story here: evidence of the disaster that Bill Clinton was for the Democratic Party. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of 1998 that lead had shrunk to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats controled only 65 more state senate seats than the Republicans.

Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than the Republicans. After 1998, the Republicans controlled one more than the Democrats. Not only was this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it was the first time since 1954 that the GOP had controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).

Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton, based on our latest figures:

- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 45
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 7
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
 

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(CNN) ? John McCain continues to lose ground in three battleground states, new CNN polls of polls out Thursday suggest.

According to the new surveys, McCain is still slipping in Pennsylvania, Florida, and even Colorado ? a state that hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1992.

In the new Pennsylvania poll of polls, McCain now trails Barack Obama by a 13 point margin, 53-40 percent. That deficit is up from 12 points in a poll of polls released earlier this week.

In Florida, the state that handily voted for President Bush in 2004, McCain trails Obama by 4 points in the latest CNN poll of polls, 49-45 percent. That's up from a 3 point gap there over the weekend.

And in Colorado, a longtime Republican stronghold where McCain has held the advantage for months, the new CNN poll of polls shows Obama on top by 6 percentage points, 50-44 percent. Earlier this week, McCain held a 5-point lead.
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Can't say I blame you--and no disrespect intended.

If I was felon would go same route--as this is one of few areas O has proved to be supportive per his Illinois voting record--


---Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals.

--Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang

--who voted ?present? on a measure to keep pornographic books and video stores 1,000 feet away from schools and churches, and in 1999, he voted against a requirement to make schools filter internet pornography from school computers

--who voted for reduced sentences for crack offenders

Who (was only sentator) to to oppose a bill that prohibited early prison release for sex offenders

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you say this over and over.

Did you know in some states they put crack offenders in jail for 10 years. And a hit of crack on the street costs five bucks.

How much does that cost us for something so stupid.

If you dont see the stupidness of that then there is no help for you.

Well DTB I guess doing the time and having the penalties and fines levied against you isnt good enough, we all should be judged for something that was done maybe mistakingly or out of being young, because once you get labeled a felon for certain crimes that FAULT follows you forever, theres no doing your time and debt to society then having a chance to start over...just think a person can be labeled a felon and NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HUNT, for the fact that he/she isnt supposed to bear any weapons, NOT EVEN A KNIFE....regardless of it was a violent crime or not, so I totally agree with Obama on giving people second chances, at the same time KEEPING the 3 strike rule....making a mistake once is a mistake repeating it is ignorance.

And Scott, yup you nailed it...it easier to sell crack or dope and get locked up for 10-15 years then it is to get 10-15 yrs for MURDER!!! So what kind of sense does it make to let a murderer out of prison while a drug dealer sits for many more years? omething isnt right there.....but I guess theres more drug dealers out there to lock up and make more prison system money on then murderers, shit the jails are almost full to capacity and most of the men that sit there are dealers or USERS!!! But in the same thought if you kill a COP or federal employee your ass will sit until they decide to execute you, because a citizens life isnt as important as a person who enforces the law or serves the people. Just a few things that I dont understand nor will I ever.....a cop can kill a citizen while in pursuit or if he THINKS his life is in danger and gets desk duty and a shrink, NOT THAT I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THE LAW, but I think a human life should be valued the same ACROSS THE BOARD.
 

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IMO; RON PAUL WOULD DO JUST FINE.
If the democrats can't deliver a better candidate than obama then they,"the democrats", deserve to be beaten on election day.
THE COUNTRY CAN'T WIN WITH EITHER CANDIDATE.
The news media has such control over the dumb ass citizens that the media spins it to where a guy like Ron Paul can't even get a fair chance. The spin is that Paul is a lunatic or worst.
The real power controls the owners of the news media and ownership has become a monopoly so they'll be no 3rd party.


Average american's do not really want change based on fear and politicians do not want change basedon fear of losing the power. Sucks, don't it:mad:
 

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I'm not sure, but I think Jack's machine changed my vote. :SIB

I certainly don't see any hanging chad(man) to go by.

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