New England Cheatriots

[TouchdownJesus]

Well, for one, I'm not a Panther fan.

Nobody is or has ever claimed that stealing signs or any other form of cheating is the whole reason a team wins.

But are you really so naive not to realize it can be the deciding factor among even teams? You can say all you want about it only gave them a small advantage.

The fact is that they did cheat and, other games aside, they won all 3 super bowls by 3 points each.

Its still a tainted game when you outright cheat even if you win by a blowout. But to win all 3 super bowls by such a close margin is a very telling sign that they were never the better team and had to cheat to win.

Better to be a loser than a cheat. Funny thing is, Belichick spent half his career as a loser, the other half a cheat.

 

[rusty]

Well, for one, I'm not a Panther fan.

Nobody is or has ever claimed that stealing signs or any other form of cheating is the whole reason a team wins.

But are you really so naive not to realize it can be the deciding factor among even teams? You can say all you want about it only gave them a small advantage.

The fact is that they did cheat and, other games aside, they won all 3 super bowls by 3 points each.

Its still a tainted game when you outright cheat even if you win by a blowout. But to win all 3 super bowls by such a close margin is a very telling sign that they were never the better team and had to cheat to win.

Better to be a loser than a cheat. Funny thing is, Belichick spent half his career as a loser, the other half a cheat.

So I guess the NYG win by 3 means that there not much better than the Pats.Your arguement and alot of others is sooo weak.

Doesnt matter how much you win by,its that you won,thats the part you just dont get.

By them illegally taping games is such a minor thing,victory vs loses,that the media(ESPN,the leader)has people like you thinking that its above all else even the players.Thats were you and I differ.

Example-Patriots caught illegally video-taping Tampa in Tampa ,both offensive and defensive signals(one of Walshs tapes).

End Result-A loss ,with no future game against same opponent that year.

Its time to move on from this matter,we shouldnt forget it,but yes like a bad marriage its time to move on.

One more thing,the Pats won there first SB on luck,yes luck,not cheating.

Oakland should of won that game hands down.
They were killed by the tuck rule.
Even still the pats made not 1 but 2 Field goals of 40+ yards in a driving snowstorm,thats not cheating,thats luck.

People all over the country are gonna get all over the Pats for winning 3 SBS,the cheating thing just adds fuel to the fire.

When Dallas won all those SBs in the 70s and 90s,I couldnt stand them,I hated them,I was jeoulous that they were so good,I wanted my hometown team(or the Redskins)to win,thats my take.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

OF COURSE the Giants winning by 3 means they are not much better than the Pats. The Pats were the best team all season and beat the Giants a month prior to that game. The Giants were just 3 points better that day and it took one hell of a play to pull out that win.

I don't think you understand how to argue your point, or maybe your point just isn't that good. I agree with you that the videotaping/cheating is a somewhat minor thing in the grand scheme of what goes on to win a game.

BUT, I think its a small but SIGNIFICANT advantage and when a game is decided by 3 points, it could indeed mean the difference between a win and a loss. In NE's case, it could mean the difference between 3 super bowl titles.

Even games that are not so close can be looked at the same way. A game can change so much on a few single plays and it causes teams to play different with different scenarios.

Also, the biggest thing is that who knows how much of an advantage they did get. I say "minor" here just to not go overboard with it, but at the same time, there are so many things that can be HUGE.

Its amazing how many times over the years Brady subtly moves to avoid a hit and then throws a completion. If he "knows" where its coming from illegally, then that is cheating to avoid a sack and gain yards. Instead of 3rd and long, its 1st down...several times a game.

So many things add up to this being an average team with good coaching and unfair advantages which produced a make-believe dynasty.

 

[rusty]

OF COURSE the Giants winning by 3 means they are not much better than the Pats. The Pats were the best team all season and beat the Giants a month prior to that game. The Giants were just 3 points better that day and it took one hell of a play to pull out that win.

I don't think you understand how to argue your point, or maybe your point just isn't that good. I agree with you that the videotaping/cheating is a somewhat minor thing in the grand scheme of what goes on to win a game.

BUT, I think its a small but SIGNIFICANT advantage and when a game is decided by 3 points, it could indeed mean the difference between a win and a loss. In NE's case, it could mean the difference between 3 super bowl titles.

Even games that are not so close can be looked at the same way. A game can change so much on a few single plays and it causes teams to play different with different scenarios.

Also, the biggest thing is that who knows how much of an advantage they did get. I say "minor" here just to not go overboard with it, but at the same time, there are so many things that can be HUGE.

Its amazing how many times over the years Brady subtly moves to avoid a hit and then throws a completion. If he "knows" where its coming from illegally, then that is cheating to avoid a sack and gain yards. Instead of 3rd and long, its 1st down...several times a game.

So many things add up to this being an average team with good coaching and unfair advantages which produced a make-believe dynasty.

You odv. dont know how to argue a pt.
Pleassssse Brady sidestepping to throw a comp. b/c
there out there taping,thats a comical pt to make.
Thats hearing or seeing out of the corner of your eye the D coming.

Didnt work so well against the NYG .
Wouldnt winning by 3pts make it that the taping was uselss?? You make it sould like that by taping brought them over the top?Please.. its a weak stance.

Yes they were an average team that thru free agency and the draft built a team that played as aunit.
Me and you(and all the Hatriots)could argue this all year long.We agree to disagree,Oakland had there chances,The Rams had there chances,Your team Carolina had there chances,hell Tenn. had there chances in the ice bowl.

Bottom line,THEY DIDNT GET THE JOB DONE,lets throw Pitt in there to,with interception Bledsoe in there for an injured Brady,even they failed.

You and your kind can take cheap shots all you want at the patriots,but the bottom line is there 3time world champs,and thats a fact jack!!

 

[TouchdownJesus]

You are right, they are 3 time champs. And, the Soviet Union won the 1972 Gold Medal in basketball. Its a fact (jack) that you can't always beat a cheater. In fact, without fairplay its often impossible to beat a cheater.

They are champs but it just doesn't mean anything.

 

[rusty]

You are right, they are 3 time champs. And, the Soviet Union won the 1972 Gold Medal in basketball. Its a fact (jack) that you can't always beat a cheater. In fact, without fairplay its often impossible to beat a cheater.

They are champs but it just doesn't mean anything.

....To you.

 

[ron808]

Question?

Question?

If the taping of the signals did not give the New England Patriots an edge, why would they continue to do it knowing it was against the rules?

I am not a football coach, never have and never will. I am a wrestling coach and have been coaching for more than twenty years in the high school level.

Bottom line is cheating - is cheating. I do not think it matters about anything other than honesty and integrity. What are we teaching the younger generation?

I have seen a team win a championship one day and lose it the next by cheating (ineligible player)

I have seen a different team that is 10-0 go to 0-10 during the season due to cheating (ineligible player or players) and took them out of the playoffs.

I also agree with some of you that the past is the past, but rule breaking need to be dealt with. How about giving a NE Pats a lost instead of a win for all the games with taping. A forfeit. That would cost them the Superbowl, possibly make them not elgible for the playoff the other year.

Again, cheating is still cheating no matter if it was needed or not.

 

[ron808]

Question 2

Question 2

Is steriods or HGH illegal? Is that considered cheating?
If a team was handed a forfeit due to one of its players using an illegal substance, it would make a big difference. Records, standings, and playoffs would change.

Ask a team to return the rings because someone got caught cheating. Players would then pay attention to their teammates actions on and off the field. No one wants to lose a Championship.

It does matter.

 

[rusty]

Im not questioning the illegal taping that took place.What I am questioning is the overblown effect it had on that said game or season.

These teams already have plenty of info the legit way.NE didnt need the ilegal taping practice to get an edge.Why they did.I dont know,ask the coach.

Comparing a illegal player,steriod use etc.,is a diff. animal IMO.One is proven to inhance a players perfomance on the field,while film is suppose to give coaches ,and I say suppose to give coaches a upperhand in the war room setting.

Above all else ,while film gives the team info.,I say it helps the coaches out tremendously.Also I here people say never forget,never forget.I say yes it was a no-no,but like illegal gambling if you get caught it a slap on the wrist.Why do people make such a big deal out of taping a teams game.

One more thing,people come on here and make it sound like there a saint,like theve never done something wrong in there life.

Get real,people who have replyed or even started this post has skelotens in the closet,no ones perfect,not even the NE Pats.

One thing in all this is the bashing that not only Belichek gets,but the organization gets as a whole that is unjust,IMO.

NE haters will always be there no matter,what,the illegal tapings just adsd fuel to the fire.

 

[VermontCat]

Im not questioning the illegal taping that took place.What I am questioning is the overblown effect it had on that said game or season.

These teams already have plenty of info the legit way.NE didnt need the ilegal taping practice to get an edge.Why they did.I dont know,ask the coach.

Comparing a illegal player,steriod use etc.,is a diff. animal IMO.One is proven to inhance a players perfomance on the field,while film is suppose to give coaches ,and I say suppose to give coaches a upperhand in the war room setting.

Above all else ,while film gives the team info.,I say it helps the coaches out tremendously.Also I here people say never forget,never forget.I say yes it was a no-no,but like illegal gambling if you get caught it a slap on the wrist.Why do people make such a big deal out of taping a teams game.

One more thing,people come on here and make it sound like there a saint,like theve never done something wrong in there life.

Get real,people who have replyed or even started this post has skelotens in the closet,no ones perfect,not even the NE Pats.

One thing in all this is the bashing that not only Belichek gets,but the organization gets as a whole that is unjust,IMO.

NE haters will always be there no matter,what,the illegal tapings just adsd fuel to the fire.

What's so funny is seeing all these posts from supposedly grown mature men acting like someone stole their lolly pops. "Cheatriots"? That's something a first grader would say. Another act of a child is to harp on the same chit over and over again even to the point of answering your own damn posts. To all you idiots I say nothing you may think or say will change the fact that the Pats are 3 time Super Bowl champs. Just like nothing people can say will change the fact that the 49ers and Broncos of the 90's won by cheating the salary cap, the 70's Steelers won by massive steroid use and even Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing the exact same thing that Belichick did so I guess his Super Bowl wins are tainted as well. Lots of asterisks if you ask me. Yet all I see are a bunch of whiny-azzes crying about big bad cheater Belichick.

BTW Joey Porter is a punk who's only known by the trash that comes out of his mouth. Trash that he could never back up on the field. He's bitter because the Steelers got owned by the Pats on numerous occassions. And Specter (Or should I say Senator Comcast), yeah I'm sure this is all about the integrity of the game. Of course non of it has to do with Comcast being one of Specters biggest supporters...the same Comcast that is in a fight with the NFL over the NFL Network.:142smilie

And do any of you moron Pat bashers even know that it is LEGAL to film opponents? It is. It's the placement of the camera that determines wrong-doing and in this case the sidelines were off limits.

Yeah, real HUGE advantage the Pats had.:mj07:

 

[Jinxbreaker]

AMEN CAT!!!The Broncos chop blocking was illegal too!!!Just because they got away w/it do you take their rings away!!!

 

[TouchdownJesus]

Cat, what the hell are you talking about?

Lets see, its LEGAL to tape teams, just not at certain places, so its still ok to tape them in ILLEGAL places???

Man, go back and read your post, it sounds ridiculous.

I guess its legal to catch a ball in-bounds but its not a big deal if you catch it out of bounds b/c he still caught the ball, so its a touchdown!

I still can't get over the fact that rusty thinks there was only a minimal advantage gained but can't see that even a minimal advantage could easily affect a 3-point game.

I think the South Park episode hit it right on the head with cheating (not just Pats but anyone). If you cheat and win, then its being "savvy". If you cheat and lose, then you are a cheater...

As for everyone having skeletons in the closet, of course we do. The reason we are here posting about Belicheat is b/c his skeletons affect us. I could care less what he does in his personal life, but he cheated the game I love, so dam right I'm going to be talking about it.

 

[rusty]

Cat, what the hell are you talking about?

Lets see, its LEGAL to tape teams, just not at certain places, so its still ok to tape them in ILLEGAL places???

Man, go back and read your post, it sounds ridiculous.

I guess its legal to catch a ball in-bounds but its not a big deal if you catch it out of bounds b/c he still caught the ball, so its a touchdown!

I still can't get over the fact that rusty thinks there was only a minimal advantage gained but can't see that even a minimal advantage could easily affect a 3-point game.

I think the South Park episode hit it right on the head with cheating (not just Pats but anyone). If you cheat and win, then its being "savvy". If you cheat and lose, then you are a cheater...

As for everyone having skeletons in the closet, of course we do. The reason we are here posting about Belicheat is b/c his skeletons affect us. I could care less what he does in his personal life, but he cheated the game I love, so dam right I'm going to be talking about it.

Nice post Cat.I just read the quotes from Jimmy Johnson.I wont post it ,but go online and look it up,its there.He actually refers to the KC Chiefs as well as partaking in it.

Guess Jimmys years in Dallas are tainted:mj07:
(I dont believe that.)Thats a minimal if any advantage taping in general TDJ,Prep work for the week is fine and dandy,but you still have to exicute gametime.

Your game has not been put ad odds,the game has not been tarnished,people like you put that spin on it (spector).No one has died here!!

The Pats went on a run,and won some superbowls.
The Owner from this area ,bailed us out,and put together a winner(along with the Revs in soccer,they just cant win the big one).:mj07:

Maybe you should read up on the owner(and the franchise).Any find out what is really going on up here.Maybe a little reality check for ya,and see the money this guy has put not only into the Pats franchise ,but for the whole region of NE.Then you truely would see what the NE Patriots are all about,Winners.

 

[Tapir Caper]

The point of this thread is to document cheating and coverups in the NFL. In no way is anything in this thread intended to diminish the status of any apparel-wearing, tv-watching adult-(aged), "we"-schlub sports fan living within one hundred miles of the circle of multimillionaires mentioned in the thread title.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

It is ok to cheat if you both win and then use the money you made to help both yourself and other people. Got it. Thanks for the morality lesson, you sure put me in my place.

I am thinking of robbing a bank soon. I will only pocket part of the money and the rest goes to help the homeless. Surely they can't send me to jail for that, can they???

And do you know anything about PREPARATION? I played a lot of scout team on my high school football team before my senior year. Any time I got into a game, esp on defense, I could see formations and had a good idea of what was coming. That is at such a basic level.

Imagine knowing what's coming at the NFL level...and knowing it illegally. Its a HUGE advantage. You might even say you could put average athletes in there and they somehow always end up in the right place at the right time.

Might help a 6th round QB become a mega-star. Nah, that's crazy talk. Give me a break, dude. If you weren't a Pats lover, you'd see what everyone else does...

 

[rusty]

The point of this thread is to document cheating and coverups in the NFL. In no way is anything in this thread intended to diminish the status of any apparel-wearing, tv-watching adult-(aged), "we"-schlub sports fan living within one hundred miles of the circle of multimillionaires mentioned in the thread title.

Is it thou??

 

[rusty]

It is ok to cheat if you both win and then use the money you made to help both yourself and other people. Got it. Thanks for the morality lesson, you sure put me in my place.

I am thinking of robbing a bank soon. I will only pocket part of the money and the rest goes to help the homeless. Surely they can't send me to jail for that, can they???

And do you know anything about PREPARATION? I played a lot of scout team on my high school football team before my senior year. Any time I got into a game, esp on defense, I could see formations and had a good idea of what was coming. That is at such a basic level.

Imagine knowing what's coming at the NFL level...and knowing it illegally. Its a HUGE advantage. You might even say you could put average athletes in there and they somehow always end up in the right place at the right time.

Might help a 6th round QB become a mega-star. Nah, that's crazy talk. Give me a break, dude. If you weren't a Pats lover, you'd see what everyone else does...

:mj07: :wtf: :mj03: :00x17

 

[rusty]

It is ok to cheat if you both win and then use the money you made to help both yourself and other people. Got it. Thanks for the morality lesson, you sure put me in my place.

I am thinking of robbing a bank soon. I will only pocket part of the money and the rest goes to help the homeless. Surely they can't send me to jail for that, can they???

And do you know anything about PREPARATION? I played a lot of scout team on my high school football team before my senior year. Any time I got into a game, esp on defense, I could see formations and had a good idea of what was coming. That is at such a basic level.

Imagine knowing what's coming at the NFL level...and knowing it illegally. Its a HUGE advantage. You might even say you could put average athletes in there and they somehow always end up in the right place at the right time.

Might help a 6th round QB become a mega-star. Nah, that's crazy talk. Give me a break, dude. If you weren't a Pats lover, you'd see what everyone else does...

Actually I dont get it,but hold on heres this....:mj07: :shrug: :iagree: ...not...:mj07:

 

[rusty]

It is ok to cheat if you both win and then use the money you made to help both yourself and other people. Got it. Thanks for the morality lesson, you sure put me in my place.

I am thinking of robbing a bank soon. I will only pocket part of the money and the rest goes to help the homeless. Surely they can't send me to jail for that, can they???

And do you know anything about PREPARATION? I played a lot of scout team on my high school football team before my senior year. Any time I got into a game, esp on defense, I could see formations and had a good idea of what was coming. That is at such a basic level.

Imagine knowing what's coming at the NFL level...and knowing it illegally. Its a HUGE advantage. You might even say you could put average athletes in there and they somehow always end up in the right place at the right time.

Might help a 6th round QB become a mega-star. Nah, that's crazy talk. Give me a break, dude. If you weren't a Pats lover, you'd see what everyone else does...

So your telling me by illegal taping,that Brady is what he is??:mj07: Yeah your pt. is well taken,Bradys numbers dont mean nothing.If it wernt for taping on the field,Brady wouldnt be were hes at today,professionelly,and privately??Ok got it now!!:mj07:

 

[rusty]

It is ok to cheat if you both win and then use the money you made to help both yourself and other people. Got it. Thanks for the morality lesson, you sure put me in my place.

I am thinking of robbing a bank soon. I will only pocket part of the money and the rest goes to help the homeless. Surely they can't send me to jail for that, can they???

And do you know anything about PREPARATION? I played a lot of scout team on my high school football team before my senior year. Any time I got into a game, esp on defense, I could see formations and had a good idea of what was coming. That is at such a basic level.

Imagine knowing what's coming at the NFL level...and knowing it illegally. Its a HUGE advantage. You might even say you could put average athletes in there and they somehow always end up in the right place at the right time.

Might help a 6th round QB become a mega-star. Nah, that's crazy talk. Give me a break, dude. If you weren't a Pats lover, you'd see what everyone else does...

If You wernt a Hatriots hater like Porter and 3seconds youd see things like I do.
Im not leaving.....neither is the 3 SB champions>>>>:scared