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The accent, that?s where it all begins. Pahk da cah. Look at the stahs. Nomah was great, but Rogah?s not. Man, I loathe that accent. And what about the so-called superstars? Tom Brady, who struts around as if he manufactures gold nuggets within the confines of his anus. David Ortiz, who as a Minnesota Twin couldn?t hit an off-speed pitch were it tossed to him underhanded. Kevin Garnett, just another over*priced carpetbagger brought in for a ring (see: Moss, Randy; Allen, Ray; Beckett, Josh).
And don?t get me started on the coaches. Terry Francona?who was Frank Lucchesi II with the Phillies?is reborn a genius? Doc Rivers, a medi*ocre NBA point guard who was run out of Orlando, receives two All-Stars for Christmas and morphs into the next Red Auerbach? And Bill Belichick?Well, what?s left to say? Cheater, fraud, liar?the list goes on and on.
Most of all, though, what many of us hate?truly, truly hate?about Boston are the fans. What was once a city composed of pathetic yet lovable losers conditioned to accept failure has, within a relatively short span of time, turned into a collection of the loudest, most obnoxious, most ornery fans in America. By the time the overconfident Patriots rolled into the Super Bowl, the rest of us had had enough. It?s bad enough that the Red Sox are going into opening day as defending World Series champions (again!) and that the Pats have appeared in four of the past seven Super Bowls (and won three of them). But now, not only do the Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce Celtics appear
primed for a deep playoff push after years of ineptitude, but Boston College?s football team spent much of the past season undefeated and ranked No. 2 in the nation. Hell, even the Bruins don?t completely suck.
?There?s an undeniable metamorphosis?the fans here have become front-running bastards,? says Leigh Montville, a former Boston Globe columnist and the author of the best-selling Ted Williams: The Biography of an American Hero. ?Boston fans traditionally sat around and lamented and hoped for brighter days. Now that those days have come, I?m not so sure we?re better off as a people.?
As a native New Yorker (albeit as a Mets fan), I?ve long disliked Boston sports?it?s a birthright. Yes, throughout my boyhood Bean Town?s teams were scrappy and hard-nosed, but at the end of the day they held the significance of yesterday?s meat loaf. The Red Sox would fold. The Patriots would fold. The Bruins would fold. The Celtics (we?re talking the Rick Fox, Pervis Ellison, Todd Mundt era here) would fold. Then the fans would silently slink off into the darkness, heads down, mouths shut, anxious to chug a beer (or seven) to numb the ritualistic pain...
Ah, the good ol? days.
Now everyone in this great nation of ours has joined together in a visceral dislike of Boston?with good reason. When it was just the Yankees and Red Sox, non?East Coast denizens could praise Bean Eaters as good ol? fashioned giant killers. (Was there a greater sport unifier than the image of George Steinbrenner on a dartboard?) The last few months, however, have marked a tipping point. First there was Spygate; then the Sox waltzing into the Fall Classic like another title was a foregone conclusion; then it was the Pats going out of their way not merely to beat but to humiliate oppos*ing teams from across the map. Even after their epic Super Bowl upset loss to the Giants, Pats fans insisted they were robbed. Whatever the moment, the city has become Public Enemy
No. 1. Why, in an ESPN poll taken shortly before Super Bowl XLII, fans of the 30 other teams were asked whether they were rooting for the Giants or the Patriots. Without fail, every single fan base admitted to pulling for New York.
Now flash back to Sunday, February 3. Approximately 20 rows up, in Section 137 of the University of Phoenix Stadium?an area dominated by New York fans?four large men with thick Boston accents spotted the scoreboard displaying a highlight reel from the Giants? regular season. For the ensuing five minutes, one of the lugs stood and repeatedly screamed, ?What-ev-ah! What-ev-ah! What-ev-ah!? When the Giants trotted onto the field, another of the men turned toward a gaggle of New York die-hards and, without solicitation, barked, ?Giants fans, your weekend is ovah! O-V-E-AH! O-V-E-AH! O-V-E-AH! O-V-E-AH!?
It wasn?t so much the absurdity of the scene (two of the men literally appeared to be rejects from the Mr. Clean: The Movie casting call) or even the dramatic misfire of the prediction. No, the most irksome thing about the whole situation was how it perfectly represented what Boston?s sports fans have become.
In a word: assholes.
Yes, you read that last line correctly. Boston?s sports fans have turned into assholes. Just listen to WEEI, the local sports talk radio station, where one caller after another still praises Belichick?the Dick Cheney of football coaches?for his genius and integrity. Just check out the alarming number of local fenders adorned with bumper stickers that read, I'd rather my daughter work in a whorehouse than my son play for the New York Yankees. Just listen to the talk of a Sox dynasty, of a Celtics dynasty, of a Pats dynasty, of a 2009 season that will surely feature Brady throwing for 800 touchdowns and 700,000 yards, joining the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, and leading a NASA mission to the molten inner core of Mercury. On the heels of the Super Bowl, and with both the Sox and Yankees reloaded with young guns (the Joba Chamberlain, Clay Buchholz debates are already raging), the age-old New York, Boston rivalry may well be approaching uncharted new heights?only now the Massholes have the upper hand.
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Believe it or not, Bean Town was once a mecca of righteous sports fans. In the late 1800s, a group of Red Sox loyalists dubbed the Royal Rooters comprised what baseball historians consider the sport?s first fan club. The Rooters would follow the team to spring training, attend games at Fenway Park en masse, and sing the show tune ?Tessie? when their boys needed to rally. From 1903 through 1918, the Sox won five of the first 15 World Series?an ode as much to quality players as to die-hard followers.
?They were passionate supporters, but also respectable supporters,? says Peter Nash, a noted baseball historian. ?The Royal Rooters lived and died with the Red Sox?and laid the groundwork for other American sports fans.?
Following the 1918 season, however, the Rooters disbanded, and a year later their team traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees for six pebbles and a pack of Lucky Strikes. Another 85 seasons passed before Boston won a World Series. ?It?s become clich? to write about how bad everything was for so long, but that?s not really the case,? says Steve Buckley, a Boston Herald colum*nist and city native. ?Sure, the Sox blew a lot of clutch moments. They lost Game 7 of the 1967 World Series; they had the ball go through Bill Buckner?s legs in ?86. But would you rather have your hopes dashed at the last moment every single time, or would you rather be out of contention by May? Sure, we experienced a lot of heartache. But I see it as building character.?
If heartache equals character, Boston should be a city of Abraham Lincolns. While the Celtics
thrived throughout much of the century behind the likes of Bill Russell, Bob Cousy, and Larry Bird, fans were ritualistically let down by their other teams. The Pats failed to reach a Super Bowl until 1986, when Steve Grogan and Co. were crushed by the Bears, 46-10. The Bruins, meanwhile, are about to experience their 36th straight season without a Stanley Cup.
So where is the famous Boston humility? Where are the lessons learned from Buckner?s historic gaffe? From Bucky Dent?s home run? From Bobby Orr?s retirement? Where is the supposed dignity and maturation that comes from surviving tough circumstances?
Answer: It?s gone.
?The old way of thinking is dead,? says Ken Casey, bass player for the Dropkick Murphys, a beloved Boston-based Celtic punk band whose ?Tessie? cover became a huge regional hit. ?We used to assume our spirits would be broken at the end of the day. Now we?re cocky, we?re arrogant, and we?re standing proud.?
To illustrate his point, Casey recalls Super Bowl Sunday, when he, his band mates, and about 30 associates watched the Giants-Patriots clash from a hotel room in Aberdeen, Scotland. Everyone present was a die-hard New England fan, save one lowly sound technician who rooted for New York. So, in the game?s aftermath, did the Murphys let their friend enjoy his moment? Did they allow him to revel in the joy of Super Bowl triumph? Did they pat him on the back and say, ?Nice job, bud??
?No friggin? way,? says Casey. ?We chucked beer cans at his head and told him he could go straight to hell.?
Hope you dont mind me using your thread Caper.
I thought with all the pats hate talk I brought up,this would be the best place to put it.
Its an article from Maxum Mag.Its a little long ,but interesting.:0corn
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Boston Sportsfans haters
The accent, that?s where it all begins. Pahk da cah. Look at the stahs. Nomah was great, but Rogah?s not. Man, I loathe that accent. And what about the so-called superstars? Tom Brady, who struts around as if he manufactures gold nuggets within the confines of his anus. David Ortiz, who as a Minnesota Twin couldn?t hit an off-speed pitch were it tossed to him underhanded. Kevin Garnett, just another over*priced carpetbagger brought in for a ring (see: Moss, Randy; Allen, Ray; Beckett, Josh).
And don?t get me started on the coaches. Terry Francona?who was Frank Lucchesi II with the Phillies?is reborn a genius? Doc Rivers, a medi*ocre NBA point guard who was run out of Orlando, receives two All-Stars for Christmas and morphs into the next Red Auerbach? And Bill Belichick?Well, what?s left to say? Cheater, fraud, liar?the list goes on and on.
Most of all, though, what many of us hate?truly, truly hate?about Boston are the fans. What was once a city composed of pathetic yet lovable losers conditioned to accept failure has, within a relatively short span of time, turned into a collection of the loudest, most obnoxious, most ornery fans in America. By the time the overconfident Patriots rolled into the Super Bowl, the rest of us had had enough. It?s bad enough that the Red Sox are going into opening day as defending World Series champions (again!) and that the Pats have appeared in four of the past seven Super Bowls (and won three of them). But now, not only do the Garnett, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce Celtics appear
primed for a deep playoff push after years of ineptitude, but Boston College?s football team spent much of the past season undefeated and ranked No. 2 in the nation. Hell, even the Bruins don?t completely suck.
?There?s an undeniable metamorphosis?the fans here have become front-running bastards,? says Leigh Montville, a former Boston Globe columnist and the author of the best-selling Ted Williams: The Biography of an American Hero. ?Boston fans traditionally sat around and lamented and hoped for brighter days. Now that those days have come, I?m not so sure we?re better off as a people.?
As a native New Yorker (albeit as a Mets fan), I?ve long disliked Boston sports?it?s a birthright. Yes, throughout my boyhood Bean Town?s teams were scrappy and hard-nosed, but at the end of the day they held the significance of yesterday?s meat loaf. The Red Sox would fold. The Patriots would fold. The Bruins would fold. The Celtics (we?re talking the Rick Fox, Pervis Ellison, Todd Mundt era here) would fold. Then the fans would silently slink off into the darkness, heads down, mouths shut, anxious to chug a beer (or seven) to numb the ritualistic pain...
Ah, the good ol? days.
Now everyone in this great nation of ours has joined together in a visceral dislike of Boston?with good reason. When it was just the Yankees and Red Sox, non?East Coast denizens could praise Bean Eaters as good ol? fashioned giant killers. (Was there a greater sport unifier than the image of George Steinbrenner on a dartboard?) The last few months, however, have marked a tipping point. First there was Spygate; then the Sox waltzing into the Fall Classic like another title was a foregone conclusion; then it was the Pats going out of their way not merely to beat but to humiliate oppos*ing teams from across the map. Even after their epic Super Bowl upset loss to the Giants, Pats fans insisted they were robbed. Whatever the moment, the city has become Public Enemy
No. 1. Why, in an ESPN poll taken shortly before Super Bowl XLII, fans of the 30 other teams were asked whether they were rooting for the Giants or the Patriots. Without fail, every single fan base admitted to pulling for New York.
Now flash back to Sunday, February 3. Approximately 20 rows up, in Section 137 of the University of Phoenix Stadium?an area dominated by New York fans?four large men with thick Boston accents spotted the scoreboard displaying a highlight reel from the Giants? regular season. For the ensuing five minutes, one of the lugs stood and repeatedly screamed, ?What-ev-ah! What-ev-ah! What-ev-ah!? When the Giants trotted onto the field, another of the men turned toward a gaggle of New York die-hards and, without solicitation, barked, ?Giants fans, your weekend is ovah! O-V-E-AH! O-V-E-AH! O-V-E-AH! O-V-E-AH!?
It wasn?t so much the absurdity of the scene (two of the men literally appeared to be rejects from the Mr. Clean: The Movie casting call) or even the dramatic misfire of the prediction. No, the most irksome thing about the whole situation was how it perfectly represented what Boston?s sports fans have become.
In a word: assholes.
Yes, you read that last line correctly. Boston?s sports fans have turned into assholes. Just listen to WEEI, the local sports talk radio station, where one caller after another still praises Belichick?the Dick Cheney of football coaches?for his genius and integrity. Just check out the alarming number of local fenders adorned with bumper stickers that read, I'd rather my daughter work in a whorehouse than my son play for the New York Yankees. Just listen to the talk of a Sox dynasty, of a Celtics dynasty, of a Pats dynasty, of a 2009 season that will surely feature Brady throwing for 800 touchdowns and 700,000 yards, joining the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, and leading a NASA mission to the molten inner core of Mercury. On the heels of the Super Bowl, and with both the Sox and Yankees reloaded with young guns (the Joba Chamberlain, Clay Buchholz debates are already raging), the age-old New York, Boston rivalry may well be approaching uncharted new heights?only now the Massholes have the upper hand.
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Believe it or not, Bean Town was once a mecca of righteous sports fans. In the late 1800s, a group of Red Sox loyalists dubbed the Royal Rooters comprised what baseball historians consider the sport?s first fan club. The Rooters would follow the team to spring training, attend games at Fenway Park en masse, and sing the show tune ?Tessie? when their boys needed to rally. From 1903 through 1918, the Sox won five of the first 15 World Series?an ode as much to quality players as to die-hard followers.
?They were passionate supporters, but also respectable supporters,? says Peter Nash, a noted baseball historian. ?The Royal Rooters lived and died with the Red Sox?and laid the groundwork for other American sports fans.?
Following the 1918 season, however, the Rooters disbanded, and a year later their team traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees for six pebbles and a pack of Lucky Strikes. Another 85 seasons passed before Boston won a World Series. ?It?s become clich? to write about how bad everything was for so long, but that?s not really the case,? says Steve Buckley, a Boston Herald colum*nist and city native. ?Sure, the Sox blew a lot of clutch moments. They lost Game 7 of the 1967 World Series; they had the ball go through Bill Buckner?s legs in ?86. But would you rather have your hopes dashed at the last moment every single time, or would you rather be out of contention by May? Sure, we experienced a lot of heartache. But I see it as building character.?
If heartache equals character, Boston should be a city of Abraham Lincolns. While the Celtics
thrived throughout much of the century behind the likes of Bill Russell, Bob Cousy, and Larry Bird, fans were ritualistically let down by their other teams. The Pats failed to reach a Super Bowl until 1986, when Steve Grogan and Co. were crushed by the Bears, 46-10. The Bruins, meanwhile, are about to experience their 36th straight season without a Stanley Cup.
So where is the famous Boston humility? Where are the lessons learned from Buckner?s historic gaffe? From Bucky Dent?s home run? From Bobby Orr?s retirement? Where is the supposed dignity and maturation that comes from surviving tough circumstances?
Answer: It?s gone.
?The old way of thinking is dead,? says Ken Casey, bass player for the Dropkick Murphys, a beloved Boston-based Celtic punk band whose ?Tessie? cover became a huge regional hit. ?We used to assume our spirits would be broken at the end of the day. Now we?re cocky, we?re arrogant, and we?re standing proud.?
To illustrate his point, Casey recalls Super Bowl Sunday, when he, his band mates, and about 30 associates watched the Giants-Patriots clash from a hotel room in Aberdeen, Scotland. Everyone present was a die-hard New England fan, save one lowly sound technician who rooted for New York. So, in the game?s aftermath, did the Murphys let their friend enjoy his moment? Did they allow him to revel in the joy of Super Bowl triumph? Did they pat him on the back and say, ?Nice job, bud??
?No friggin? way,? says Casey. ?We chucked beer cans at his head and told him he could go straight to hell.?
Hope you dont mind me using your thread Caper.
I thought with all the pats hate talk I brought up,this would be the best place to put it.
Its an article from Maxum Mag.Its a little long ,but interesting.:0corn
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Well I Guess We Need To Take The 4 SB Rings Away From The Steroid Cheating Pittsburgh Steelers!!!!
Actually, you can't take anything away from those Steelers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but steroids were LEGAL back then. There is nothing wrong with taking advantage of a bad rule.
The Patriots did something ILLEGAL to win their championships. The Steelers did not.
Nice try though.
The Patriots did something ILLEGAL to win their championships. The Steelers did not.
Nice try though.
What the Steelers did was far worse than what the Pats did. We're talking about massive team use of steroids on those 70's teams and that gave them a HUGE competitive advantage over the other teams. Your argument that they were legal back then is a copout. Anyone with a brain knows that totally destroys the spirit of fair play. But I guess if it isn't specified in black and white that you can't do it it must be ok. Just shows that you really don't give a rats' arse about a level playing field, you just have a hair up your azz about the Pats, nothing more. Your argument is weak and so are you.:142smilie
To be honest, I'm not old enough to know the nature of the game during the 70's. I just read in the article where steroids were not illegal back then.
So I guess I will need some clarification on that. If they were allowed, then it comes down to a personal decision with all teams/players.
That said, if the league allowed steroids but they were illegal to use in the USA, then sure, let's break out the asteriks. You can't expect someone to break the law to be competitive and that would create an unfair advantage.
So, if steroids were legal, my argument is perfect and you are just a weak homer defending your Pats for cheating. If they were illegal, then the Steelers are right up there with the Pats in the cheating department.
If someone knows, please reply as to the exact laws of steroids during that time.
You can use the same argument for creatine back when the Cowboys were winning titles. Perfectly legal, but no one knew if it was safe or not. Nothing wrong with taking creatine back then. Like I say though, I based the last reply off quickly reading the article that said "steroids were legal in the 70's" and not sure to what extent that means after seeing your last post....
So I guess I will need some clarification on that. If they were allowed, then it comes down to a personal decision with all teams/players.
That said, if the league allowed steroids but they were illegal to use in the USA, then sure, let's break out the asteriks. You can't expect someone to break the law to be competitive and that would create an unfair advantage.
So, if steroids were legal, my argument is perfect and you are just a weak homer defending your Pats for cheating. If they were illegal, then the Steelers are right up there with the Pats in the cheating department.
If someone knows, please reply as to the exact laws of steroids during that time.
You can use the same argument for creatine back when the Cowboys were winning titles. Perfectly legal, but no one knew if it was safe or not. Nothing wrong with taking creatine back then. Like I say though, I based the last reply off quickly reading the article that said "steroids were legal in the 70's" and not sure to what extent that means after seeing your last post....
It just never ceases to amaze me, the people who
come into this site and beat their chests about
their gambling skills and sports savy, and then cry
wolf every time they lose a bet. It's pathetic. Grow
up and enjoy sports without the conspiracy bullshit
or get the f$ck out of this realm. :SIB
come into this site and beat their chests about
their gambling skills and sports savy, and then cry
wolf every time they lose a bet. It's pathetic. Grow
up and enjoy sports without the conspiracy bullshit
or get the f$ck out of this realm. :SIB
I doubt the Pats gained any real tangible advantage. Every team pretty much knew every other team anyway. They went 17-0 without cheating last year. That SHOULD end the argument. ...But if I was a fan of a rival I guess I wouldn't let it go either.
As an unbiased Cardinals fan, I say - it's over - it probably didn't make a big difference - time to move on.
TIA for not mocking me for being a Cardinal fan.
As an unbiased Cardinals fan, I say - it's over - it probably didn't make a big difference - time to move on.
TIA for not mocking me for being a Cardinal fan.
Kramer, you sound very naive about sports. Also, I wouldn't be having this conversation in this thread if it were football season. But since its offseason, this kind of talk doesn't take up the boards b/c for the most part its just a dead area until August.
I don't mind discussing/arguing whether or not an advantage was gained, etc. I just can't stand when people insist that its no big deal if one was gained...as if to say the other team should have just tried harder.
I don't think everything is a conspiracy, but I think a lot of chit does go on in all sports. But it seems like anyone who suspects any kind of foul play and begs for the truth is labeled as a "crybaby" or "conspiracy theorist".
I don't mind discussing/arguing whether or not an advantage was gained, etc. I just can't stand when people insist that its no big deal if one was gained...as if to say the other team should have just tried harder.
I don't think everything is a conspiracy, but I think a lot of chit does go on in all sports. But it seems like anyone who suspects any kind of foul play and begs for the truth is labeled as a "crybaby" or "conspiracy theorist".
Smurphy, I respect your opinion, but I still just don't think you can say that by going 17-0, it ends the argument. For so many reasons, it does not end it.
For one, the 17-0* team had Randy Moss and Wes Welker. For another, its totally unrelated. If they cheated to win, then just by winning later doesn't change the fact or prove they didn't need to do it before.
I think we as fans will never know to what extent they gained an advantage. We will never know how good this team was. They played in a horrible division every year yet felt the need to cheat to win that division. Maybe they knew they weren't that good. Who knows?
And again, its one thing to "know" a team b/c you play them often. Its a completely different thing and HUGE advantage if you really do KNOW what play is coming before the ball is snapped.
I think they were a good team but that's it. I posted for years on how weird this team was and people called me a crybaby, then all this stuff comes out. It all adds up. I've been around football all my life...I played, my dad coached it for 18 years....this team didn't make sense until this stuff came out.
For one, the 17-0* team had Randy Moss and Wes Welker. For another, its totally unrelated. If they cheated to win, then just by winning later doesn't change the fact or prove they didn't need to do it before.
I think we as fans will never know to what extent they gained an advantage. We will never know how good this team was. They played in a horrible division every year yet felt the need to cheat to win that division. Maybe they knew they weren't that good. Who knows?
And again, its one thing to "know" a team b/c you play them often. Its a completely different thing and HUGE advantage if you really do KNOW what play is coming before the ball is snapped.
I think they were a good team but that's it. I posted for years on how weird this team was and people called me a crybaby, then all this stuff comes out. It all adds up. I've been around football all my life...I played, my dad coached it for 18 years....this team didn't make sense until this stuff came out.
Td,everyone blames the coach for spygate.Well what about the coach for what hes paid to do.COACH.There first SB was won on front level talent/coaching,plus a little luck.And who dont need a little luck along the way.There other 2 SBs were won on pure talent ,by far the better team over both Phily,and Carolina.
You dont need the best talent to win.
Look at the Red Sox this year.Overcome with injuries (Ortiz,D-K,Lowell,Drew,Manny,etc.)
They have still found away to come out on top.
A deep team is sometimes better than a overpriced team.
Look at the STL Cards a couple of years ago.
They beat a more talented team(TIGERS)on
heart and sacrifice alone.My point is this.
Talent alone dont mean nothing .Chemistry and heart far outway this.Just take a look at the Sox and Patriots.
Sorry for re-repeating myself, lol. Kind of tired of the subject anyway, but I will answer the question.
"Weird"...meaning several things all happening together. A 6th round QB that becomes the absolute stud of the league. Sure, Kurt Warner did it, but my god look at the weapons he had. The fact that they have a mediocre running game, are able to go 5-wide with average receivers, and no one EVER gets close to Brady and someone is ALWAYS open and Brady ALWAYS finds him.
I realize that coaching/talent/chemistry play a part but its not like other teams don't have that too. We were made to believe that the Pats all bought into this team concept and took lesser athletes and turned into a dynasty. Thats nearly impossible to do today in pro sports.
The defense is always in the right place at the right time. They completely shut down teams like the Colts (several times) and Rams and others with lesser talent, older slower LB's. I contribute part of that to defensive holding (molesting) and part to spygate.
This will sound weird and maybe even petty, but its part of the whole for me. I've seen them lose a few games over the years to crappy teams and it just didn't add up how they could dominate so often and then just phone it in against a garbage team. Usually it was when I had money on them lol.
Kind of like they knew they were playing for the season and not just one game but that's really hard to do in the NFL. The other answer could be that they are the kid in high school cheating on a test that is smart enough not to get all the answers right.
The whole time we were told "they just know more than everyone else". And I guess they were right.
I think some of my thoughts are right on, others are just my perception. All in all, they DID cheat and more than just once.
Its hard to say how much it helped and its also hard to say it didn't matter at all when you've got some really close Super Bowls and playoff games.
Good team, but if you want to say champions or dynasty....please use an asterik.
"Weird"...meaning several things all happening together. A 6th round QB that becomes the absolute stud of the league. Sure, Kurt Warner did it, but my god look at the weapons he had. The fact that they have a mediocre running game, are able to go 5-wide with average receivers, and no one EVER gets close to Brady and someone is ALWAYS open and Brady ALWAYS finds him.
I realize that coaching/talent/chemistry play a part but its not like other teams don't have that too. We were made to believe that the Pats all bought into this team concept and took lesser athletes and turned into a dynasty. Thats nearly impossible to do today in pro sports.
The defense is always in the right place at the right time. They completely shut down teams like the Colts (several times) and Rams and others with lesser talent, older slower LB's. I contribute part of that to defensive holding (molesting) and part to spygate.
This will sound weird and maybe even petty, but its part of the whole for me. I've seen them lose a few games over the years to crappy teams and it just didn't add up how they could dominate so often and then just phone it in against a garbage team. Usually it was when I had money on them lol.
Kind of like they knew they were playing for the season and not just one game but that's really hard to do in the NFL. The other answer could be that they are the kid in high school cheating on a test that is smart enough not to get all the answers right.
The whole time we were told "they just know more than everyone else". And I guess they were right.
I think some of my thoughts are right on, others are just my perception. All in all, they DID cheat and more than just once.
Its hard to say how much it helped and its also hard to say it didn't matter at all when you've got some really close Super Bowls and playoff games.
Good team, but if you want to say champions or dynasty....please use an asterik.
Have to respond to this TD,sorry...
Ill give you this ,were they like the Cowboy and Niner teams of the 90s??Absolutly not.
Did the league change to a parity driven league during the last15 years
Absolutly.
My pt being did they put an ass whooping like the Dallas ,Niners,hell even the Skins of that era no.
So by stateing put a asterik next to them,your basiclly stating that they didnt live up to ur expectations,even thou there 3 time world champs?The cheating is just an excuse as to why in your eyes there frauds.
Dont blame us,blame Tagliabue who in 92 brought free agency to the for fold.I know Dallas and SF were big during this era,but lets be real alot of players were already under contract,and the real free agency era didnt really kick in to a few years later.
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Regarding Brady and the 6th round he played for Lloyd Carr at Michigan, and Lloyd knows how to hide talent better than anyone. I don't think Brady even started parts of his junior and senior season.
Td does bring up a good pt.The only thing IMO were hes wrong is that he was a talent that was overlooked(It happens all the time in small numbers).
The only reason he got to start was when Bledsoe got hurt.Once he got in there he was intrenched there for good.
I have season tickets,seen him play live many times Trust me,the guy can play(and sling a ball)..
It does help ,that he is surrounded by good players and good fans.
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