New England Patriots vs Baltimore Ravens

[cash]

Can't fucking wait. :toast:

Brady has a 63.1 Total QBR against the Ravens since 2008 including the playoffs, his second-worst QBR against any opponent of the 11 teams against which he has at least 75 action plays. Only his QBR against the Jets (59.5) is worse.

Brady has thrown an interception once every 33 drop backs against the Ravens since 2008 including the playoffs. That?s the highest interception percentage during that span of the seven quarterbacks with at least 100 drop backs against the Ravens.

NE 29th defense vs the pass in 2012

NE 25th ranked total defense

The above is the exact opposite from what the Ravens faced vs Denver last week yet they stepped it up and took down the W.

Nobody gave the Ravens a chance when playing Manning who had an 11-0 record against the Ravens and Denver bringing the leagues 2 best defense to the game.

Ravens are healthy now and playing with more emotion and incentive than ever before.

When they walked off the field in NE last year, this is exactly what they wanted to happen this year.

If you like betting revenge teams, can you think of any better one in the last few years?

You gonna talk about the shitty Ravens secondary? Better check on that first because they don't give up the TD pass.

The D line is playing better than they have all year. What do you think their goal is for Sunday? I think Ray gets them fired up and they have Brady running all over the place. Pressure Brady and the game gets a lot easier.

Even Brady has to wonder why he hasn't been successful vs the Ravens, doesn't he? Does he maybe doubt himself? Does he go into the game with less confidence than he would have facing a different team?

Ravens have more motivation than any other team the Pats could be playing this week and they showed that on Sunday vs Peyton, who they never had any success against.

Flacco playing the best ball of his career.

They want to take away the deep ball they saw Ravens use against the Broncos? Then we have weapons underneath with Boldin, Pitta, Dixon, and Rice. With Rice and Pierce in the backfield.

I'm out of time and may add more later.

I bet Ravens +9 330/300 and Ravens +330/990

And we're getting NINE (9) POINTS?

Must be a different Brady. Tom is arguably the most
competitive, talented,intelligent QB ever. He has a chance to join his idol Montana and Bradshaw. He
will DESTROY the slow Raven's D. He will be possessed and Hernandez will light up Ray Ray over
the middle. Keep it real. Good Luck

NE by 3/4 tds

 

[Cie]

Must be a different Brady. Tom is arguably the most
competitive, talented,intelligent QB ever. He has a chance to join his idol Montana and Bradshaw. He
will DESTROY the slow Raven's D. He will be possessed and Hernandez will light up Ray Ray over
the middle. Keep it real. Good Luck

Must be tough to live your life with brady's cock in your mouth....lol

 

[MadJack]

Must be a different Brady. Tom is arguably the most
competitive, talented,intelligent QB ever. He has a chance to join his idol Montana and Bradshaw. He
will DESTROY the slow Raven's D. He will be possessed and Hernandez will light up Ray Ray over
the middle. Keep it real. Good Luck

NE by 3/4 tds

That's what you said last year. He doesn't have the numbers vs the Ravens, look it up. How many times do you have to lose before you 'get it'?

 

[MadJack]

Must be a different Brady. Tom is arguably the most
competitive, talented,intelligent QB ever. He has a chance to join his idol Montana and Bradshaw. He
will DESTROY the slow Raven's D. He will be possessed and Hernandez will light up Ray Ray over
the middle. Keep it real. Good Luck

NE by 3/4 tds

This isn't something I made up. What do you think is the reason for this?

Brady has a 63.1 Total QBR against the Ravens since 2008 including the playoffs, his second-worst QBR against any opponent of the 11 teams against which he has at least 75 action plays. Only his QBR against the Jets (59.5) is worse.

 

[MadJack]

Add up the last 6 times these 2 teams played.

Baltimore 149 New England 144

Take off the blinders.

 

[Cie]

This isn't something I made up. What do you think is the reason for this?

Brady has a 63.1 Total QBR against the Ravens since 2008 including the playoffs, his second-worst QBR against any opponent of the 11 teams against which he has at least 75 action plays. Only his QBR against the Jets (59.5) is worse.

Throw in the huge drop in td/int ratio without gronk on the field, plus emotional wave Balt is riding and Balt looks like a nice play this weekend....

 

[cash]

That's what you said last year. He doesn't have the numbers vs the Ravens, look it up. How many times do you have to lose before you 'get it'?

Boy oh boy, Is someone going to be eating crow.
Who cares about past performances? Have you even watched the Patriots lately.? ANYTHING impress you? lol

 

[cash]

Throw in the huge drop in td/int ratio without gronk on the field, plus emotional wave Balt is riding and Balt looks like a nice play this weekend....

Talk about having someone's cock in their mouth lol

 

[MadJack]

Boy oh boy, Is someone going to be eating crow.
Who cares about past performances? Have you even watched the Patriots lately.? ANYTHING impress you? lol

You are talking past performances but only selectively, only the performances you want to pick.

We went through this last year. Go make your own thread, I have no desire to discuss the game with you.

 

[MadJack]

Ravens have only lost against the Patriots by 9 or more points twice in franchise history, the last time being back in the 2004 season.

Also, before Flacco's time, the Ravens had played New England only 4 times in 12 seasons -- 2 at home, 2 on the road -- going 0-4, with an average point differential per game of -12.25.

With Flacco, the Ravens have played New England 5 times in 5 seasons -- 1 at home, 4 on the road -- going 2-3, with an average point differential per game of +1.6 points.

All 5 of those games have occurred since 2009. In that span, only 1 other team has a positive point differential against the Patriots that have played them multiple times: The New York Giants, who have a +8 in 2 games (Ravens have a +8 in 5 games). The only other teams that have played against them as often as the Ravens have are their divisional opponents, who have the three worst point differential against them (-94, -102, and -119).

Flacco has played against Brady 5 times, 4 of which came in New England.

The first 2 times they played, Brady outperformed Flacco (QB Ratings of 78.7 to 100.8, and 10.0 to 49.1; both games in New England), the last 3 times Flacco has outplayed Brady (119.3 to 69.5, 95.4 to 57.5, and 117.7 to 101.2; two of three were in New England).

In total, Flacco has the following stats against Brady:

108/167, 1271 Yards, 9 TD, 4 INT
64.7%, 7.6 Y/A, 254 Y/G, 95.7 QB Rating

In total, Brady has the following stats against Flacco:

121/195, 1278 Yards, 5 TD, 8 INT
62.1%, 6.6 Y/A, 256 Y/G, 72.6 QB Rating

And that's in 5 games, 4 of which were New England.

The overall record in those games is 2-3 in favor of New England, though it could have easily been 4-1, with both of our previous two losses being games we should have probably won.

In the previous 3 games, which represents a 1-2 record in favor of New England and includes those two should-have-been-wins so it could have been 3-0 Ravens, their head to head stats look like this:

Flacco: 77/110, 973 Yards, 7 TD, 2 INT
70.0%, 8.8 Y/A, 324 Y/G, 110.9 QB Rating

Brady: 77/121, 866 Yards, 2 TD, 4 INT
63.6%, 7.2 Y/A, 289 Y/G, 76.7 QB Rating

And that's in 3 games, 2 of which were in New England.

 

[America's Team]

Jack (or anyone)

Jack (or anyone)

Does it bother you at all that it seems all the early action is on Balty? I am seeing 71% on Baltimore.

Thanks, just trying to work this angle into the discussion because i see both sides of the argument and don't know who to take.

:shrug:

 

[MadJack]

Does it bother you at all that it seems all the early action is on Balty? I am seeing 71% on Baltimore.

Thanks, just trying to work this angle into the discussion because i see both sides of the argument and don't know who to take.

:shrug:

Kinda bothers me and I just posted the same thing in the other thread.

 

[MadJack]

Ravens love going deep, been doing it all year and that's the reason for the less then stellar completion % because going deep is a lower percentage play. But, along with going deep so frequently comes a good many PI calls AND the ability to strike quickly which is another reason the Ravens TOP is not so great.
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(taken from a Ravens fan board)

The Pats secondary is better now than it was earlier in the season but it's not what I'd call a strength, especially deep.

Talib and Dennard are decent corners but they would not start for the Ravens defense if we had them. Nor would McCourty or Gregory at safety. Kyle Arrington at nickel is a liability. I hope we target him.

One thing they tend to do well is tackle. What they do less well is cover, especially deep.

I expect that Belichick will play McCourty in deep centerfield all day long. But he's no Ed Reed, and Torrey can beat him, maybe Jones too. We should not let it stop us from running the 9 when we want to.

I think they're going to struggle to cover Boldin and Pitta too. Their LBs are strong but not fast. And (safety) Gregory is only so-so in coverage. They don't have any talented 3rd or 4th CB to insert here either.

It helps that their pass rush isn't strong either, and that our OL is (amazingly) looking fairly good in pass protection. Joe may well have the time to let deep routes develop.

:0008

 

[smurphy]

Does it bother you at all that it seems all the early action is on Balty? I am seeing 71% on Baltimore.

This is definitely a problem. Public dogs usually don't bite. ...Gaaad, I hate the Patriots.

Don't let us down Jaek!!!!

 

[Senor Capper]

Played 9.5 & a tad on ML. NFL Anything can happen


also
SF -3.5


Best to us !!

 

[motley plays]

The best team will win again......... um, that would be the Patriots !

 

[Bisket23]

Public was all over the Giants against SF and NE last year....means nothing.

 

[Jord20]

Public was all over the Giants against SF and NE last year....means nothing.

This is true.

Fading the pub means less and less as we dwindle down the teams, IMO

 

[MadJack]

It means nothing if you are looking at wagerline.

Look what real money is betting.

http://www.caribsports.com/docs/ALL.caribpicks.html

 

[Jord20]

It means nothing if you are looking at wagerline.

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I don't agree at all. Wagerline is a mix of joe public and wannabe pro capers. I think it is a great mix of what the general consensus is on the games from people who think they know what they are talking about. It's like a slightly more sophisticated eeerock's fade guy

And you know the numbers are accurate because there isn't any motivation to fudge numbers.