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The White House is trying to get 5.56 ?armor piercing? rounds classified as ?cop killer? bullets. But there?s only one problem: no cop has ever been killed by the ?green-tipped? AR-15 ammunition.

Still, the President claims that banning the ammunition is just a ?common sense? way to protect police officers. Speaking on his behalf, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that the 5.56/.223-caliber M855 ball ammunition must be banned because it can shoot through bullet proof vests. While that is true, so can just about any rifle hunting round. Are they next?

The core of the White House?s argument is that there are some AR-15 style pistols which they claim are ?easily concealable weapons.?

They are not.

All types of AR-15 style pistols are too big for any commercially available holster, or anything that could be worn on one?s belt or even in a should holster. The weapons are essentially ?novelty guns? that are not typically considered for their practical value since they cannot be legally manufactured with a rifle stock. That caveat makes them incredibly difficult to aim or hit things from far away. Add a stock and that changes dramatically? but then they are NFA-restricted items which require extensive background checks with the ATF, a $200 tax stamp and a waiting period that commonly takes more than half a year.

No crime has ever been committed on record with legally registered weapons such as this, and no ban on assault weapons would effect NFA items. So the White House?s claim rests ultimate on the fantasy that police officers are being shot and killed with stockless AR-15 style pistols. The only problem is, this has never happened: not even once.

?We have not been able to find a single instance where a police officer has been shot from this type of handgun using a bullet that pierces his soft-body armor, and if the administration had any examples you know they would be pushing it in everybody?s face to further their executive action,? said Alan Gottlieb, the executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation.

?We?ve scoured everywhere, gone into every source possible to try to find an instance of this and have not been able to find one,? he added.

Dave Workman, senior editor at TheGunMag.com and a blogger for the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner, explained that he has scored a variety of sources to try to document a single instance of a police officer being shot with one of these expensive ?novelty guns? let alone with green-tipped ammo being used in them. In every search, he has come back with no results.

?I cover this every day and I?ve never heard of a police officer being shot with one of these (AR-15) handguns, which by the way is not easily concealable using any of this ammo,? Workman said. ?That?s a crock. No. I know of absolutely zero incidents of the shooting, wounding, or fatally wounding of a cop with one of these handguns that is chambered for the .223-caliber round, or even someone using the AR-15 rifle for that matter. You might presume it?s happened (with a rifle), I don?t know, but it would be very rare.?

So why do people care? Why not just use any other type of AR ammo, since the type in question is not really very good any way?

?It?s a cheap competition ammo, and a lot of guys use it for that, because they?re not into hand loading and they like to buy ammo on the cheap and this is fairly inexpensive.?

But isn?t this the only type of .223/5.56 ammunition that can cut through body armor?

?Soft-body armor was invented to stop handgun bullets, period. That?s because most of the bad guys out there are packing handguns whether stolen or cheaply purchased and Kevlar vests are designed to stop those handgun bullets. I don?t know of a single vest out there that will stop a center-fired rifle bullet from .223-caliber up.?

That means if this ban goes through then the entire caliber and all rifle calibers ? whether for hunting or anything else ? could and would be banned, under the same premise.

According to the FBI?s uniform crime statistics for 2013, rifles were used in only 285 homicides. Of those, AR-15s were almost always used by police officers in shooting suspects like John Crawford. In almost no cases where AR-15s used in murders or homicides not ruled justified. The fact of the matter is most criminals simply don?t have the money for AR-15s and similar variants. But the nation has already had the debate on an assault weapons ban, and those proposing that only police should be armed with these weapons have lost the argument. Since they couldn?t get their way, now they are trying to go through the back door with an ammunition ban, even if their argument for why a subset of one caliber?s rounds should be banned makes absolutely no sense.

(Article by M. David)
 

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The White House is trying to get 5.56 ?armor piercing? rounds classified as ?cop killer? bullets. But there?s only one problem: no cop has ever been killed by the ?green-tipped? AR-15 ammunition.

Still, the President claims that banning the ammunition is just a ?common sense? way to protect police officers. Speaking on his behalf, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that the 5.56/.223-caliber M855 ball ammunition must be banned because it can shoot through bullet proof vests. While that is true, so can just about any rifle hunting round. Are they next?

The core of the White House?s argument is that there are some AR-15 style pistols which they claim are ?easily concealable weapons.?

They are not.

All types of AR-15 style pistols are too big for any commercially available holster, or anything that could be worn on one?s belt or even in a should holster. The weapons are essentially ?novelty guns? that are not typically considered for their practical value since they cannot be legally manufactured with a rifle stock. That caveat makes them incredibly difficult to aim or hit things from far away. Add a stock and that changes dramatically? but then they are NFA-restricted items which require extensive background checks with the ATF, a $200 tax stamp and a waiting period that commonly takes more than half a year.

No crime has ever been committed on record with legally registered weapons such as this, and no ban on assault weapons would effect NFA items. So the White House?s claim rests ultimate on the fantasy that police officers are being shot and killed with stockless AR-15 style pistols. The only problem is, this has never happened: not even once.

?We have not been able to find a single instance where a police officer has been shot from this type of handgun using a bullet that pierces his soft-body armor, and if the administration had any examples you know they would be pushing it in everybody?s face to further their executive action,? said Alan Gottlieb, the executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation.

?We?ve scoured everywhere, gone into every source possible to try to find an instance of this and have not been able to find one,? he added.

Dave Workman, senior editor at TheGunMag.com and a blogger for the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner, explained that he has scored a variety of sources to try to document a single instance of a police officer being shot with one of these expensive ?novelty guns? let alone with green-tipped ammo being used in them. In every search, he has come back with no results.

?I cover this every day and I?ve never heard of a police officer being shot with one of these (AR-15) handguns, which by the way is not easily concealable using any of this ammo,? Workman said. ?That?s a crock. No. I know of absolutely zero incidents of the shooting, wounding, or fatally wounding of a cop with one of these handguns that is chambered for the .223-caliber round, or even someone using the AR-15 rifle for that matter. You might presume it?s happened (with a rifle), I don?t know, but it would be very rare.?

So why do people care? Why not just use any other type of AR ammo, since the type in question is not really very good any way?

?It?s a cheap competition ammo, and a lot of guys use it for that, because they?re not into hand loading and they like to buy ammo on the cheap and this is fairly inexpensive.?

But isn?t this the only type of .223/5.56 ammunition that can cut through body armor?

?Soft-body armor was invented to stop handgun bullets, period. That?s because most of the bad guys out there are packing handguns whether stolen or cheaply purchased and Kevlar vests are designed to stop those handgun bullets. I don?t know of a single vest out there that will stop a center-fired rifle bullet from .223-caliber up.?

That means if this ban goes through then the entire caliber and all rifle calibers ? whether for hunting or anything else ? could and would be banned, under the same premise.

According to the FBI?s uniform crime statistics for 2013, rifles were used in only 285 homicides. Of those, AR-15s were almost always used by police officers in shooting suspects like John Crawford. In almost no cases where AR-15s used in murders or homicides not ruled justified. The fact of the matter is most criminals simply don?t have the money for AR-15s and similar variants. But the nation has already had the debate on an assault weapons ban, and those proposing that only police should be armed with these weapons have lost the argument. Since they couldn?t get their way, now they are trying to go through the back door with an ammunition ban, even if their argument for why a subset of one caliber?s rounds should be banned makes absolutely no sense.

(Article by M. David)
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?I cover this every day and I?ve never heard of a police officer being shot with one of these (AR-15) handguns,

I find no record of any police officer killed with a bazooka, flame thrower, BAR, Thompson, incendiary round, tracer round, rocket launcher, nuclear bomb, sidewinder missile, daisy cutter or land mine. Thousands of LEOs in other countries have been killed by those weapons, but none here. And now no USA LEO has to worry about a criminal with an AP .223 handgun.

Why? Because they are banned for civilian use. It's the law, and a good one. :0074

Go piss up a rope, whiner. :violin:
 

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The White House is trying to get 5.56 ?armor piercing? rounds classified as ?cop killer? bullets. But there?s only one problem: no cop has ever been killed by the ?green-tipped? AR-15 ammunition.

Still, the President claims that banning the ammunition is just a ?common sense? way to protect police officers. Speaking on his behalf, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that the 5.56/.223-caliber M855 ball ammunition must be banned because it can shoot through bullet proof vests. While that is true, so can just about any rifle hunting round. Are they next?

The core of the White House?s argument is that there are some AR-15 style pistols which they claim are ?easily concealable weapons.?

They are not.

All types of AR-15 style pistols are too big for any commercially available holster, or anything that could be worn on one?s belt or even in a should holster. The weapons are essentially ?novelty guns? that are not typically considered for their practical value since they cannot be legally manufactured with a rifle stock. That caveat makes them incredibly difficult to aim or hit things from far away. Add a stock and that changes dramatically? but then they are NFA-restricted items which require extensive background checks with the ATF, a $200 tax stamp and a waiting period that commonly takes more than half a year.

No crime has ever been committed on record with legally registered weapons such as this, and no ban on assault weapons would effect NFA items. So the White House?s claim rests ultimate on the fantasy that police officers are being shot and killed with stockless AR-15 style pistols. The only problem is, this has never happened: not even once.

?We have not been able to find a single instance where a police officer has been shot from this type of handgun using a bullet that pierces his soft-body armor, and if the administration had any examples you know they would be pushing it in everybody?s face to further their executive action,? said Alan Gottlieb, the executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation.

?We?ve scoured everywhere, gone into every source possible to try to find an instance of this and have not been able to find one,? he added.

Dave Workman, senior editor at TheGunMag.com and a blogger for the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner, explained that he has scored a variety of sources to try to document a single instance of a police officer being shot with one of these expensive ?novelty guns? let alone with green-tipped ammo being used in them. In every search, he has come back with no results.

?I cover this every day and I?ve never heard of a police officer being shot with one of these (AR-15) handguns, which by the way is not easily concealable using any of this ammo,? Workman said. ?That?s a crock. No. I know of absolutely zero incidents of the shooting, wounding, or fatally wounding of a cop with one of these handguns that is chambered for the .223-caliber round, or even someone using the AR-15 rifle for that matter. You might presume it?s happened (with a rifle), I don?t know, but it would be very rare.?

So why do people care? Why not just use any other type of AR ammo, since the type in question is not really very good any way?

?It?s a cheap competition ammo, and a lot of guys use it for that, because they?re not into hand loading and they like to buy ammo on the cheap and this is fairly inexpensive.?

But isn?t this the only type of .223/5.56 ammunition that can cut through body armor?

?Soft-body armor was invented to stop handgun bullets, period. That?s because most of the bad guys out there are packing handguns whether stolen or cheaply purchased and Kevlar vests are designed to stop those handgun bullets. I don?t know of a single vest out there that will stop a center-fired rifle bullet from .223-caliber up.?

That means if this ban goes through then the entire caliber and all rifle calibers ? whether for hunting or anything else ? could and would be banned, under the same premise.

According to the FBI?s uniform crime statistics for 2013, rifles were used in only 285 homicides. Of those, AR-15s were almost always used by police officers in shooting suspects like John Crawford. In almost no cases where AR-15s used in murders or homicides not ruled justified. The fact of the matter is most criminals simply don?t have the money for AR-15s and similar variants. But the nation has already had the debate on an assault weapons ban, and those proposing that only police should be armed with these weapons have lost the argument. Since they couldn?t get their way, now they are trying to go through the back door with an ammunition ban, even if their argument for why a subset of one caliber?s rounds should be banned makes absolutely no sense.

(Article by M. David)

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You have no idea how much everyone wishes you mean this and never type another word here.

I'm hated because im right and you know it. I have said nothing wrong that would deserve any ban on here. You are a Typical whiny liberal with a mental disorder :mj07: go fuck yourself
 

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Name one thing you've ever been right about? Everything you say is shit. You have no friends, no credibility, you're a pathological liar, a bigot, a racist, a coward, and a lousy fucking person. You don't deserve a ban, you deserve one of these soon to be banned bullets between your beady little eyes, but that's wishful thinking on my part I guess. Hey how much did you donate to Robert Zimmerman's defense again? What did you do when Michael Sam got drafted again?

Hope this helps,
FDC
 

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I'm hated because im right and you know it. I have said nothing wrong that would deserve any ban on here. You are a Typical whiny liberal with a mental disorder :mj07: go fuck yourself

You left the forum, joined another forum and completely trashed Jack.

You are a complete asshole. You are lucky Jack let you come back after what you did, you fat tits having pussy.
 
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Name one thing you've ever been right about? Everything you say is shit. You have no friends, no credibility, you're a pathological liar, a bigot, a racist, a coward, and a lousy fucking person. You don't deserve a ban, you deserve one of these soon to be banned bullets between your beady little eyes, but that's wishful thinking on my part I guess. Hey how much did you donate to Robert Zimmerman's defense again? What did you do when Michael Sam got drafted again?

Hope this helps,
FDC

no friends? hank calls hedgehog a friend and you wish death on him? shame on you :facepalm:

not very christen of you
 
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no friends? hank calls hedgehog a friend and you wish death on him? shame on you :facepalm:

not very christen of you
And you're a figment of someone's imagination who's just as much of a coward as hedgehog if not more. You don't even have enough pride in yourself to be yourself, you hide behind someone else's name. You're a non-entity, incapable of friendship. You're also a shitty speller.
I think the world would be a better place without people like him, absolutely. He would not be missed, nor you.

Hope this helps,
FDC
 

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no friends? hank calls hedgehog a friend and you wish death on him? shame on you :facepalm:

not very christen of you

He is not a Christian, how can you be a liberal call yourself a Christian, he probably worships the Koran like Obama

wishing death upon me makes me feel like I have done something right, liberalism is a mental disorder, he should be in an insane asylum with all the other Obama voters out there
 

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no friends? hank calls hedgehog a friend and you wish death on him? shame on you :facepalm:

not very christen of you

So, Hank, you're a "christen". LMAO!

Definition: christen : A member of a fringe semi-religious sect which practices sex with children. corpses, and donkeys.

Add in alcohol and drugs, and, yes, you must be the real HWJr.
 

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He is not a Christian, how can you be a liberal call yourself a Christian, he probably worships the Koran like Obama

wishing death upon me makes me feel like I have done something right, liberalism is a mental disorder, he should be in an insane asylum with all the other Obama voters out there
I don't "call" myself anything and I don't identify myself by any organization, cult, or treasonous activity such as you do.
While you waste away in the squalid confinement of your own miserable existence, I enjoy life among well adjusted, intelligent, compassionate human beings that contribute to the well being of society. You'll never be able to "call" yourself any of those.
The only disorder here is your gluttony and ignorance.

Hope you die soon,
FDC
 

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I don't "call" myself anything and I don't identify myself by any organization, cult, or treasonous activity such as you do.
While you waste away in the squalid confinement of your own miserable existence, I enjoy life among well adjusted, intelligent, compassionate human beings that contribute to the well being of society. You'll never be able to "call" yourself any of those.
The only disorder here is your gluttony and ignorance.

Hope you die soon,
FDC

In other words you are a communist...

You have a mental disorder called liberalism
 

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In other words you are a communist...

You have a mental disorder called liberalism
pp.
communism
[kom-yuh-niz-uh m]
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

2.
(often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

communist
[kom-yuh-nist]
noun
1.
(initial capital letter) a member of the Communist Party or movement.



So someone tells you that they aren't identified by any organization and you somehow think that means they're a communist? That means your kids are communists? What about atheists? Communists? You're brain is so polluted with stupid, and soft serve ice cream that you can't even mount an argument and you say I have a mental disorder. Charles Manson thought everyone that didn't agree with his insane ravings was crazy too. Gacy also thought the same thing. Do you hear voices in your head? I mean not the background noise that echoes around that empty gargantuan melon you call a head, but actual voices? Do you ever have the urge to inflict harm on anything other than a couple dozen jelly fills, and the occasional dozen pigs in a blanket? Did you have childhood pets? How many did you rape, maim, mutilate, or kill? Did you eat them after you tortured them? When you drive through a school zone how many times have you checked out a student in the rear view mirror? Over a hundred? Do you have any office supplies crammed in your ass now or do you take them out after work?

Hope this helps,
FDC
 
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thats kinda harsh in a funny sort of way
It's only harsh to those that have a modicum of understanding of the English language. Unless someone reads it and explains it to hedge, it's harmless. He'll probably respond with something stupid or nothing at all. It's all he knows.
 

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It's only harsh to those that have a modicum of understanding of the English language. Unless someone reads it and explains it to hedge, it's harmless. He'll probably respond with something stupid or nothing at all. It's all he knows.

:sadwave:
 
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