OBAMA & IMMIGRATION

[THE KOD]

Republicans politicians are seething this week over the president's long-planned announcement that his administration will grants work permits to approximately 5 million migrants residing in the country illegally.
The president on Thursday night finally confirmed what news reports had been saying for days: parents of American citizen children and illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. before the age of 16 would be able to remain in the U.S. indefinitely as long as they meet certain conditions.
First, they must have arrived in America before January 1, 2010. They must also pay their back taxes and a fine and undergo national security and background checks.
Then, Obama told them, 'you?ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily, without fear of deportation.'
Obama announces sweeping immigration reform

'You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law,' he noted.
Although the president plans to sign an executive order today during a Las Vegas event making the directive official, and immigration officials will be 'immediately' instructed to stop removing qualifying migrants from the country, the mandate will not take effect until next year.
Immigrants applying for a reprieve through the president's already established Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program will be able to file formal paperwork with the government in 90 days. Those with citizen children must wait six months to obtain an application for delayed deportation.
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The neo cons are seething over this.

Impeach him

Sue him

This will not stand

meanwhile Obama sits back and watchs

because you see Obama is a master politician

These fawkers have stopped every immigration bill and have been unable to come up with anything
in how many years ?

so many you cant count.

but now that they are getting called out as nothing doers,

They get mad .


Obama has forced their hand . The Repubs dont even know what action they will take.

HOW ABOUT PUTTING A IMMIGRATION PACKAGE ON OBAMA'S DESK TO SIGN INTO LAW

no that would be too easy

or would it

 

[Skulnik]

Scott, Obama SHITS on the Constitution and you are happy?


:0corn

 

[THE KOD]

yeh

the constitution of never

 

[THE KOD]

On Thursday, President Barack Obama granted millions of undocumented immigrants who are parents of U.S. citizens or permanent residents and have lived in the U.S. for at least five years the right to work and pay taxes. They don't, however, have the right to receive federal benefits, including subsidies under the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid coverage and food stamps.

The decision raises the question of why Congress and the White House won't go near benefits with a 10-foot pole.

Esther Sanchez, an undocumented immigrant who is living in Queens and involved with Faith in New York, which does community organizing, came to the U.S. from Mexico in 1997. She has three children under the age of 13 who are all U.S. citizens. She lives in constant fear that her husband, who is also undocumented and works as a chef at a pizza shop, won't come home. Speaking through a translator, she recalled a time when he was assaulted and the police responded to the incident, and she feared his status would be discovered.


"At least this announcement does an amazing thing, which is it frees us from the daily fear of being deported," which is her primary concern, she said. But she also spoke of struggles to pay for health care, particularly for one of her children, who is autistic and whose care must be paid for out-of-pocket. She pointed out that undocumented immigrants in her community "pay taxes, and we deserve some of the benefits that come from paying taxes. It's not just about services; it's about the right to participate."

Denying federal benefits to immigrants isn't a new idea. In 1996, Congress passed restrictive laws barring even legal permanent immigrants from being eligible for the same federal benefits as U.S. citizens. Today, green card holders -- with some exceptions, such as children --must be in the country for at least five years before they can receive means-tested benefits such as food stamps and Medicaid. (The federal government does subsidize a program called "emergency Medicaid," which is used for some undocumented immigrants.)

For a hot second, it looked like the Affordable Care Act might be an exception to the rule. But in August 2012, the Department of Health and Human Services issued a rule clarification that young immigrants granted deferred action -- the status Obama extended to a larger group of immigrants on Thursday -- are not eligible for subsidized health care under Obamacare. Jonathan Cohn pointed out in The New Republic that it's not clear whether Obama has the authority to extend Medicaid and Obamacare to immigrants using executive action. Instead, "it might require an act of Congress," he wrote.

Granting these benefits probably wouldn't be cheap. There are no readily available estimates of how much each person who gains legal protections under Obama's executive action might gain in government benefits if they were made available. However, the likelihood is that it would be at least thousands of dollars per person, judging by past studies of such benefit payments like this from the Congressional Budget Office.

But in the long term, those benefits pay off, experts point out. Claire Thomas, an adjunct professor at New York Law School and a staff attorney for the pro-immigration Safe Passage Project, has seen firsthand how access to health care has helped her juvenile clients. That's because in New York, Medicaid is already extended to non-permanent residents. "It's huge," she said, since, "a lot of these young people are survivors of trauma" and require both physical and mental health care.

Harry Holzer, a professor at Georgetown University who previously served as chief economist for the U.S. Department of Labor, said, "If people are living here and have some legal status, they ought to get some basic safety net provisions."

He added, "Even if you don't care at all ... it's got to be bad for the kids. The kids are here, a lot of the kids are American citizens [and] we know that children who grow up in poverty have a harder time as adults." But Holzer pointed out that bringing up benefits to immigration critics, "would just pour kerosene on the fire."

Some conservatives are pointing to the addition of benefits as a kind of doomsday scenario if Obama's plan is allowed to stand. This week, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that advocates for restrictive immigration policies, released a report claiming that, "The Obama Administration is poised to give these amnestied illegal aliens taxpayer funded benefits that could end up costing U.S. citizens billions of dollars." Writing in The Atlantic, David Frum, a former George W. Bush speechwriter, argued that, "The president's plan will put millions of them on the path to qualifying for welfare benefits."

Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) told The Huffington Post, "I think we all kind of have a general idea of where the line is, but this administration has pushed and pushed it, so it's very hard to see where the line is." He added, "It's possible it could go to benefits."

Through it all, the White House has remained adamant that that line simply won't be crossed.

"They will not be entitled to benefits such as Social Security and the like," a senior administration official said on a conference call previewing the announcement Thursday. "They will not be entitled to premium payments under the Affordable Care Act."

Holzer said the federal government actually does benefit from the immigration expansion, in terms of income and Social Security taxes paid. But he acknowledged it can create more pressure on public resources in border states and cities. "You can have a little bit of sympathy for these gateway communities," he said. "But the people who oppose immigrants don't see those nuances ...They see only the costs and none of the benefits."

That's why undocumented immigrants like Ramon Madera, 36, who lives in Denver and participates on PICO's immigration committee, want to emphasize that they're looking for safety, not handouts. Madera came to the United States with his father from Mexico 20 years ago. Since then, he has worked his way up from a dishwasher to a server to a kitchen manager -- and today runs his own painting business.

In September, he was stopped at an airport and detained, and now he has a deportation hearing scheduled next year. These days, he has anxiety that causes him to have trouble sleeping. "I do not want to go back there. My whole family -- mom, brothers, nephews -- all live here ... I'm really, really afraid," he said.

When asked about government assistance, his voice grew emphatic.

"I do not need government help, because I know I'm a dependable person," he said, noting that he helps his mom and his brothers pay their bills. He added, "I am not looking for benefits."

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oh shit

they got to pay taxs to stay but they get no federal benifits

now that a good idea.

how can the neo cons argue with that when they want to take welfare money from baby mama's

 

[Skulnik]

No Scott, they will claim the Earned Income tax Credit and we will cut them a check.

Pity Really


Nuff Said

:0074

 

[Skulnik]

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[Skulnik]

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Yep, uphold the Mexican Constitution.

Obama the CockSucker.


JMHO

 

[THE KOD]

Obama in control ...........................

thats Boehner and Congress in the back seat .



whose your daddy !

 

[THE KOD]

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he cant do that , its against the constitution


waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


nut buckets

 

[THE KOD]

That doesn't stop the action of the executive order. That's what we have to be smart about this. I think he wants us to do that. In a really weird way, I think he wants us to be fighting him on a personal level and not focused on the issues, because he got beat on the issues in the November election. If we make this about him ? which I think he wants us to, that's why he's doing this ? it's a huge distraction on all the policy issues, [like] repealing pieces of Obamacare,? Tiberi said.
One avenue thought to hold promise even by more establishment-type Republicans is legal action, although it could take years to see resolution.
?Ultimately this fight might end up at the Supreme Court,? Tiberi said.
Conservatives have floated a number of plans, beginning with targeting the administration's ability to use funds to legalize aliens.
They've also discussed resolutions of disapproval, censure ? an unnamed lawmaker was collecting cosponsors for a yet-to-be-released censure resolution, a colleague said ? and even impeachment.
?We need to be evaluating how many of our available weapons we want to use. It's my belief that we should use every single one in our arsenal. We should challenge the president in court, to the extent his executive order violates any constitutional or federal statutory provisions. We should encourage state and other governments to join in that effort to force the president to obey the law. We should look at our funding mechanisms and pass whatever legislation is necessary and advisable to force the president to obey the law. We should censure the president. If the president's conduct rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, which is a very high level, then we should consider impeachment,? said Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL).
Sophomore Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL) introduced a bill Thursday that attempts to rescind any discretion by the executive branch as it relates to exempting categories of illegal aliens from prosecution and deportation.
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neo cons - we will pass a immigration bill just you wait. Its going to be a good one too.

oh but right now got to catch a plane for my 30 day Thanksgiving vacation from this fucked up job of nothing.

 

[Skulnik]

They will claim the Earned Income tax Credit and we will cut them a check.


Just heard it mentioned on Bulls and Bears Business Show.



:nono:

 

[Duff Miver]

No Scott, they will claim the Earned Income tax Credit and we will cut them a check.

Pity Really


Nuff Said

:0074

Low income cocksuckers like you get the EIC, why not them?

Skulnutz responds: "Duh?" LMAO.

 

[THE KOD]

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) took impeachment over President Barack Obama's immigration action off the table on Friday.

"No, we're not going to impeach President Obama. Or have a move to impeach," Sessions said at a Heritage Foundation event and then added, "The president has certain powers and we truly believe -- and I think it's accurate to say that he abused those powers."


?At some point, you have to evaluate whether the president?s conduct aids or abets, encourages, or entices foreigners to unlawfully cross into the United States of America,? Brooks said in an earlier interview with Slate. ?That has a five-year in-jail penalty associated with it.?

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oh they decided not to try the impeach him again theme


get together and pass a bill that the american people can live with.

do your jobs

is that too much to ask

 

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[THE KOD]

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) expressed disappointment with his GOP colleagues in the House of Representatives for failing to pass legislation on immigration.

?Shame on us as Republicans,? he said. ?Shame on us as Republicans for having a body that cannot generate a solution to an issue that is national security, it?s cultural and it?s economic.?

?I?m close to the people in the House, but I'm disappointed in my party," Graham continued. "Are we still the party of self-deportation? Is it the position of the Republican Party that the 11 million must be driven out??

Graham also criticized President Barack Obama's "political decision" to take executive action on immigration and "divide the Republican Party." Obama announced his plans for immigration in a primetime address to the nation on Thursday.

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neo cons just dont get it


how stupid can you be to fight something after the fact when you could have been part of the
solution early on like years ago.


:SIB