Obama vs Putin, why the hatred?

[Dead Money]

I personally thought during the early 1990's we had a golden opportunity to befriend Russia forever. With our industry and their never ending resources it was a natural.

The scene was set, Gorbachev, Nuclear weapon reduction, a new wave of politics, all that was missing was western aid.

Instead the short sighted West cackled with glee at the demise of the once hated cold war nemesis, and did nothing.


Now, for better or worse, you have new nationalism and Putin to contend with. Clinton would have mired us in a mis-guided continuation of O'bamas policy of Soviet hatred.

Trump, hopefully will set another course. One that hopefully leads to an ease of political tensions and more cooperation on scientific and economic fronts.

This article sums up the "botch job" known as Obama foreign policy towards Russia.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/23/loser-malice-what-behind-obama-attacks-putin.html

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I personally thought during the early 1990's we had a golden opportunity to befriend Russia forever. With our industry and their never ending resources it was a natural.

The scene was set, Gorbachev, Nuclear weapon reduction, a new wave of politics, all that was missing was western aid.

Instead the short sighted West cackled with glee at the demise of the once hated cold war nemesis, and did nothing.


Now, for better or worse, you have new nationalism and Putin to contend with. Clinton would have mired us in a mis-guided continuation of O'bamas policy of Soviet hatred.

Trump, hopefully will set another course. One that hopefully leads to an ease of political tensions and more cooperation on scientific and economic fronts.

This article sums up the "botch job" known as Obama foreign policy towards Russia.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/23/loser-malice-what-behind-obama-attacks-putin.html

Why is Russia supposed to be our new best friend? What's changed?

 

[Duff Miver]

These are dangerous times.

I remember when President George Bush and Defense Secretary Bob Gates met with Putin.

Bush, never the brightest bulb in the chandelier, said: "I looked in Putin's eyes and saw a man I can deal with."

Gates, a man abut ten times smarter, said: "I looked in Putin's eyes and saw a stone-cold killer."

And Gates is of course correct.

Putin is ex KGB. He has been responsible for the deaths of thousands, maybe tens of thousands who have got in his way. He is ruthless, he is tough, and he is fearless.

Donald Trump is a child of rich privilege, a double-dealer in business, and a pussy grabber.

He's also a pants-wetting coward.

Putin will castrate Trump and eat his testicles for dinner with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

 

[JT]

All about the money. I'm sure Exxon-Mobil will be a good addition to one's portfolio.

 

[Skulnik]

I'll tell VLAD?

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[lowell]

These are dangerous times.

I remember when President George Bush and Defense Secretary Bob Gates met with Putin.

Bush, never the brightest bulb in the chandelier, said: "I looked in Putin's eyes and saw a man I can deal with."

Gates, a man abut ten times smarter, said: "I looked in Putin's eyes and saw a stone-cold killer."

And Gates is of course correct.

Putin is ex KGB. He has been responsible for the deaths of thousands, maybe tens of thousands who have got in his way. He is ruthless, he is tough, and he is fearless.

Donald Trump is a child of rich privilege, a double-dealer in business, and a pussy grabber.

He's also a pants-wetting coward.

Putin will castrate Trump and eat his testicles for dinner with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

The biggest pussy is the race baiter Obozo who just turned his yellow streaked back on Israel.
Romney warned voters 4 years ago that Russia was our biggest threat but he was ridiculed as the press continued to prompt up the community organizer.
Trump and his advisors are the new sheriffs in town.
The JV team leaves the building in a few weeks.

 

[Dead Money]

The biggest pussy is the race baiter Obozo who just turned his yellow streaked back on Israel.
Romney warned voters 4 years ago that Russia was our biggest threat but he was ridiculed as the press continued to prompt up the community organizer.
Trump and his advisors are the new sheriffs in town.
The JV team leaves the building in a few weeks.

Curious, people say Russia is our biggest threat.....my food for thought question is "Threat to what?"

Sure, they meddle in world affairs, so do we...sure they think Russia first, that's nationalism, we think America first also....they are reacting to terrorism, so are we...militarily we can kill each other hundreds of times over, or you can believe Obamma calling them mostly third world trash.

 

[lowell]

Curious, people say Russia is our biggest threat.....my food for thought question is "Threat to what?"

Sure, they meddle in world affairs, so do we...sure they think Russia first, that's nationalism, we think America first also....they are reacting to terrorism, so are we...militarily we can kill each other hundreds of times over, or you can believe Obamma calling them mostly third world trash.

I think it started when Barry removed NATO missile shield systems in Europe even before sitting down w Russia and then drawing a redline and doing nothing w Assad. The Iranian deal will also be a disaster.
Russia responds to strength.
I do not think Russia is our biggest problem.
North Korea, China and Islamist Terrorists are our biggest worries.
North Korea will soon have nuclear weapon that can strike Seattle.
They are crazy enough that anything is possible.
I trust Mattis and Flynn to give Trump the right advice.
Obama canned them because they disagreed with him. You know what would have happened in N Korea if they did that.

 

[Duff Miver]

turned his yellow streaked back on Israel.
Romney warned voters 4 years ago that Russia was our biggest threat

1. Fuck Israel. They have been sucking the American tit since 1949. And have done nothing, NOTHING to try to promote peace in the Mideast.

2. Romney was right. Putin is never going to be Trump's butt-buddy. He will eat Trumps lunch.

 

[Dead Money]

Obama foreign policy

Obama foreign policy

Here is an interesting commentary on the o'bamma presidency...

entire article here.... http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/exit-hope-change/


an excerpt regarding foreign policy



Finally, in foreign affairs, there is Obama?s mystifying campaign against the Russian Federation. The US had an agreement with Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union that we would not expand NATO if they gave us a quantity of nuclear material that was in danger of falling into questionable hands in the disorder that followed the collapse. Russia complied. What did we do? We expanded NATO to include most of the former eastern European countries (except the remnants of Yugoslavia), and then under Obama, NATO began holding war games on Russia?s border. For what reason? The fictitious notion that Russia wanted to ?take back? these nations ? as if they needed to adopt a host of dependents that had only recently bankrupted the Soviet state. Any reasonable analysis would call these war games naked aggression by the West.

Then there was the 2014 US State Department-sponsored coup against Ukraine?s elected government and the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych. Why? Because his government wanted to join the Russian-led Eurasian Customs Union instead of an association with European Union. We didn?t like that and we decided to oppose it by subverting the Ukrainian government. In the violence and disorder that ensued, Russia took back the Crimea ? which had been gifted to the former Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic (a province of Soviet Russia) one drunken night by the Ukraine-born Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. What did we expect after turning Ukraine into another failed state? The Crimean peninsula had been part of Russia for longer than the US had been a country. Its only warm water naval ports were located there. They held a referendum and the Crimean people voted overwhelmingly to return to Russia. So, President Obama decided to punish Russia with economic sanctions.

Then there was Syria, a battleground between the different branches of Islam, their sponsors (Iran and Saudi Arabia), and their proxies, (Hezbollah and the various Salafist jihad armies). The US ?solution? was to sponsor the downfall of the legitimate Syrian government under Bashar al-Assad. We apparently still favored foreign relations based on creating failed states ? after our experience in Iraq, Somalia, Libya, and Ukraine. President Obama completely muffed his initial attempt at intervention ? the ?line-in-the-sand? moment ? and then decided to send arms and money to the various Salafist jihadi groups fighting Assad, claiming that our bad guys were ?moderates.? Meanwhile, Russia stepped in to prop up Assad?s government, apparently based on the idea that the Middle East didn?t need yet another failed state. We castigated Russia for that.

The idiotic behavior of the US toward Russia in these matters led to the most dangerous state of relations between the two since the heart of the Cold War. It culminated in the ridiculous campaign this fall to blame Russia for the defeat of Hillary Clinton. And here we are.

 

[shawn555]

Neat you guys are all pro putin now how cute.

 

[Skulnik]

Neat you guys are all pro putin now how cute.

Obama was sucking his dick?

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Here is an interesting commentary on the o'bamma presidency...

entire article here.... http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/exit-hope-change/

Seriously, another BLOG? The guy has a topic called "CLUSTERFUCK NATION". Great source! :facepalm:

Why are we supposed to be Russia's new best friend? What's changed? Even Lowell understands they are our biggest threat. They have a nuclear arsenal unmatched by anyone in the world, save the USA.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/23/world/nuclear-weapon-countries.html

 

[Dead Money]

Seriously, another BLOG? The guy has a topic called "CLUSTERFUCK NATION". Great source! :facepalm:

Why are we supposed to be Russia's new best friend? What's changed? Even Lowell understands they are our biggest threat. They have a nuclear arsenal unmatched by anyone in the world, save the USA.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/23/world/nuclear-weapon-countries.html

Its known as an independent COMMENTARY, sorry to expose your closed mind to thoughts presented than other by the shill media.
You keep believing the NYT, USA today, Washington Post, they will keep your mind in the darkened closet and shovel you their version of reality that placates you.

 

[Dead Money]

Neat you guys are all pro putin now how cute.

Actually, I am pro peace......Clinton and Obumble were heading on a collision course for WW3 with Russia. Why?

War is not always the answer to shitty economic policy...WW2 lifted us out of the depression, and set the stage for the booming 50's and 60's and what we enjoy today.

War is always good for business, but shitty for people.

The world is too inter-connected today not to have open dialog and a longing for peace.

Better to talk and find common ground than sift thru ashes where cities once stood.:shrug:

 

[lowell]

Neat you guys are all pro putin now how cute.

Please remind me when I was Pro Putin in a post.
I am Pro Mattis/Flynn to stand up to the tyrant.
Trump will not be bowing down to the world like our version of Neville Chamberlain has done for 8 years.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Its known as an independent COMMENTARY

It's mostly the unemployed and disenfranchised trying to make money off of cash for gold and prepper advertising. But it couldn't work without the dim that believe that they're enlightened.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Its known as an independent COMMENTARY, sorry to expose your closed mind to thoughts presented than other by the shill media.
You keep believing the NYT, USA today, Washington Post, they will keep your mind in the darkened closet and shovel you their version of reality that placates you.

When you're sick, do you see a doctor or your neighbor?

 

[Duff Miver]

When you're sick, do you see a doctor or your neighbor?

For all serious problems, medical, financial, educational, intellectual, emotional, political, religious and otherwise he sees Da Man, Lush Rimbaugh.

THE source of all wisdom.

 

[Skulnik]

Rush is off this week, but if you START LISTENING to his program, you will sing a different tune.


JMHO

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