Obamacare's average monthly cost across U.S.: $328

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Ok Hedgie without piling on you I will let you peer inside that brain and expound on what you don't like about Obama Care and tell me what you think we should have to replace it.

nothing, leave it be...if you don't work no insurance, if you dont have insurance pay out of your own pocket...Hospitals charge way too much for their services to cover the free loader with no insurance that will not pay a dime, either no insurance no treatment or credit card sir. Thats my solution :0008

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
 

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nothing, leave it be...if you don't work no insurance, if you dont have insurance pay out of your own pocket...Hospitals charge way too much for their services to cover the free loader with no insurance that will not pay a dime, either no insurance no treatment or credit card sir. Thats my solution :0008

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY


Just when I think you cant say anything that would surprise me. You honestly want the United States of America to deny essential Health care because one cannot afford it. Hmmmmmmmmm...

That should work well. Time to beef up the police force and personal security for the rich.
 

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Just when I think you cant say anything that would surprise me. You honestly want the United States of America to deny essential Health care because one cannot afford it. Hmmmmmmmmm...

That should work well. Time to beef up the police force and personal security for the rich.

what is your solution? you are an attorney I am sure you make a decent wage, do you like that your money is going to a lazy ass who smokes dope all day and has 6 kids for their insurance or don't you want everyone to pull their weight? :shrug:
 

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nothing, leave it be...if you don't work no insurance, if you dont have insurance pay out of your own pocket...Hospitals charge way too much for their services to cover the free loader with no insurance that will not pay a dime, either no insurance no treatment or credit card sir. Thats my solution :0008

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

Just like people who do not take marriage seriously.

You are a fucking idiot.
 

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what is your solution? you are an attorney I am sure you make a decent wage, do you like that your money is going to a lazy ass who smokes dope all day and has 6 kids for their insurance or don't you want everyone to pull their weight? :shrug:

I am all for personal responsibility. For example, I am totally for random drug testing of welfare recipients with a zero tolerance policy. I also know that thousands of hard working people have been bankrupted by a serious illness in their family, and that is not acceptable to me.

I am not opposed to Obamacare, but I honestly have been too lazy to find out what it is all about. For one thing, my family's healthcare premium is covered by my wife's hospital. The policy has a reasonable deductible, no co-payments and $2 Px.

I have asked many of those opposed to Obamacare what their specific concerns are, but rarely do I get an answer. I am interested in your take on what is wrong with Obamacare. Please cite your specific concerns with the program. I am assuming, of course, that you have studied the plan in depth since you have such strong opinions about it.

Looking forward to reading your specific concerns :0074
 

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and Cie with the nail that will close the thread seeing as we all know Hedge won't provide an answer/response.
 

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I am all for personal responsibility. For example, I am totally for random drug testing of welfare recipients with a zero tolerance policy. I also know that thousands of hard working people have been bankrupted by a serious illness in their family, and that is not acceptable to me.

I am not opposed to Obamacare, but I honestly have been too lazy to find out what it is all about. For one thing, my family's healthcare premium is covered by my wife's hospital. The policy has a reasonable deductible, no co-payments and $2 Px.

I have asked many of those opposed to Obamacare what their specific concerns are, but rarely do I get an answer. I am interested in your take on what is wrong with Obamacare. Please cite your specific concerns with the program. I am assuming, of course, that you have studied the plan in depth since you have such strong opinions about it.

Looking forward to reading your specific concerns :0074

the government is trying to force insurance companies to go out of business so we must go to universal healthcare coverage like Canada, and that is why I am against it. You are being told one thing my Obama and the truth is its going to cost much more and he is lieing to our faces.

read this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...surances-some-rates-may-soar-under-obamacare/
 

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One specific concern that I have with obamacare is that those families who earn more than 93k should expect increased premiums through exchange from what I read on a left wing obamacare myth website. The site bragged about how low and middle income families- meaning those earning less than 93k- would benefit. Middle income families do not earn less than 93k in my world. I am all for taking care of those who cannot take care of themselves, but lumping families with 2 parents working long hours to bring in 150k with actual well off families bothers me.

I have been fortunate in my 39 years, and the more fortunate I've become, the more willing I've become to "share" with those who aren't able to make their way. However, attacking the true middle class by hiking their healthcare costs is horseshit.
 

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Cie you are correct. Many many middle class families will not qualify for the subsidies and will see big increases. I'm looking at the BCBS NC numbers right now that came today. The rich will still afford it and the mass producing bottom feeders will get free or cheap care and the middle class will pay once again.

Along with the anger I felt today reading the newmoptions I felt some amount of joy knowing that there will be millions of people feeling the same way and also were the ones who voted for Obama. It's amazing what people will vote for without having any actual clue how it might impact them.
 

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I see many people are complaining about health care reform, Hedgie's undies are in a bundle, does he realize that initially this was a republican idea? I guess that's the part that turns me off a little, if this would be a republican president doing this, Hedge would be all for it. Hedge I think you are doing well paying $400 per month out of pocket for you and your kids. Christ I pay close to $300 now and I am single, but my employer doesn't chip in, that's my fault though, I could work at an institution and get most covered but I love my job and the freedoms I have so a little extra coin for that doesn't bother me.

I think from what I am seeing for a single guy like myself at 40, the reform will not affect me much. My brother in law is a health care expert of some sorts. He likes the idea, he thinks it will lower costs in the long run due to preventitive care. That remains to be seen.

I really hate the painted picture that everyone getting free health care is a "dead beat drug user." I guess it may depend on where you live. Hell I live in northern hicksville, my area is as redneck as you will find in the North. Are there some people abusing the system here? hell yeah, I know two guys who are capable of working who got some dumb ass doctors to free them from working, but for those 2 I know many more people who need it. It's just the way it is. What about that young guy or people who can afford health care who choose right now not to have it.? :shrug: Those people kill the system as well.

The part I like about the health care plan is that it allows for people to be treated early, there definitely will be some lives saved, maybe somebody you know will get checked in time before it is too late. Preventitive care maybe where it is at, it really is emotionally and physically draining to take care of patients who are dying from the big C.

WE are the reason health care is so expensive not Obama. Think about this.

We put so many carcinogens in our body from cigs, alcohol, to fatty foods. Look at the obesity problem and it's only going to get worse with the days of technology and video games. The fact is, most of us will use up more health care dollars in emergency room care, medication, surgery, trauma, catastrophic events to name just a few then what we ever spend. We just don't rationalize it because most of us are not at that age where we expend it.

Not to pick on Hedgy but he has stated that he is taking BP meds, I think Cholesterol meds as well, and is admittedly over weight. Add in the stress he was having with family life plus Obama became president putting his stress level over the top. He is
not even 40. Is he exercising regularily and eating right? would probably guess not, not just because it's him, but most people his age do not. So keep taking him and people like him for example and look at what happens living that same life style when he is 50, 60 or 70 (if live that long) We are talking more BP meds, most likely more diuretics, onset of diabetes, add in a probable surgery of some kind, stent placement and cardiac rehab. A person like this could be absorbing hundreds of thousand of dollars in health care costs. That $400 per month he is paying now is a drop in the bucket compared to what a person like his health care is really going to cost.

You guys can keep blaming the drug taking deadbeats. I'll blame everyone.
 

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you get what you voted for:shrug: hope and change:facepalm:

We voted for somebody who realizes that the health care system status quo sucks. The republicans have been in office 20 of the last 32 years and what did they do about it? Well that isn't why he got in, he was voted in because the republicans were so inept, they had a guy who was a bumbling fool (GW) who put the party way behind, then tried to right the ship with an old fossil (McCain) and then come back with a guy who is perceived to be for the rich and not care about anyone (Romney).

Instead of coming at the country with the same old dry diatribe. (They take yer guns, they kill babies, it's not in the bible), they should focus on getting somebody fresh with ideas, oh no can't do that since that party doesn't like change, a party that would rather in be 1913 then 2013. How about instead of telling the country this won't work and that won't work, come up with your own plan? Simple really

Nuff Said
 

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if this would be a republican president doing this, Hedge would be all for it.


Maybe, but there are just as many Democrats that are for Obamacare just because he's a democrat. If this was Regancare they would be pissed.

Personally I could give a shit less if you are democrat, republican or martian, get your hands out of my paycheck. Obamacare will be the catalyst for the next depression.

Yes, this is that bad. You simply can't continue to take from our paychecks, make the economy worse and expect things not to eventually fail.
 

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OK Hedgie...er PENGIE ELABORATE !!!

John McCain stood in front of his peers and said that "we fought the best fight we could and lost, it's time we accept this and move on'.

Fuck him, you are not a leader if you answer is to give up on an issue as important as this. You fight this one till the first dollar comes out of someones paycheck to pay for it and then you fight to repeal it. In no way shape or form do you give up.

War hero? Yes. Leader? No
 

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Maybe, but there are just as many Democrats that are for Obamacare just because he's a democrat. If this was Regancare they would be pissed.

Personally I could give a shit less if you are democrat, republican or martian, get your hands out of my paycheck. Obamacare will be the catalyst for the next depression.

Yes, this is that bad. You simply can't continue to take from our paychecks, make the economy worse and expect things not to eventually fail.

You don't know this to be true.

Look at the thread I started about what the Indiana gov is telling the public. You can't believe anything these people are telling us. They all, both sides, have their own agenda and it's pretty fucking pitiful what's going on with these politicians. ALL OF THEM.
 
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