Scrapman and sushi,
I personally have forgotten more about the aircraft then you two will ever know. Scrap keeps quoting me shit he saw on a video as if it is scientifically conclusive. If you two want to believe that the government did it, then have the fuck at it. The border is straight south or north don't let the door hit you in the ass. Just because you two believe it, doesn't make it true. The wings aren't strong enough to hold fuel? The plane won't put a hole in the side of the building? A missile hit the Pentagon, blah, blah blah. So when a plane does put a hole in a building, it's a missile and when it doesn't it's a 747 flown by scrappy do. You know what is a true mystery, how the fuck you two ever got out of fourth grade.
Sushi, specifically you, I'm smarter than you by a long measure, that I can assure you. You want to tell me about aircraft technology and how I have no clue yet in your first paragraph you show your ignorance by talking about a clacker that don't even know how it works?! The clacker goes off huh? At 360 knots huh? Get that straight out of the "new technology that only you know about handbook", or Google. Why don't you explain to me in lay terms what powers the clacker? Where is the clacker located and what does it collect its data from? What happens when the clacker goes off? Is it integrated into any other systems? Does the master warming horn and light come on? Can it be silenced if it does? What is it powered by?
Hey you better get busy oh great knower of knowledge and technology that's a lot to Google.
I, however, already know the answer to all those questions and didn't even have to turn on my computer. I also know that the flight plan and manifest where classified the following day, therefore no longer available to the public. Idiot.
Tell me more about the wings not being strong enough to hold fuel? Being that the wings are where is all held I'm curious as to where all those ones that fell off are being held.
Here's the difference between you two and myself. I don't think that my expert opinion is the only one. You have drawn several conclusions based on objective supposition, just because everyone doesn't jump to the same conclusion doesn't mean you're right. On the contrary, it's you that is wrong when you refuse to listen to others simply because they don't fall in line.
In closing, blow me, both of you. I am done arguing with you half wits. Scrapman thinks the fucking airplane flew from Boston to New York at 300' (that's the understood abbreviation for feet in case you didn't see that on you tube). Yet the hostile takeover didn't start until the fasten seat belt light went off?
How gullible do you have to be to get in your guy's dumb club?
Hope this helps,
FDC
The fuel held in a 767 is no where near the tip of the wings... not even close you fukin idiot.... and if the Bureau of transportation says it has no record of the two planes taking off what does that mean?
this little piece is interesting
I choose your site as the first to take this important and very disturbing information because you are one of the few who keeps questioning your government about the terrible events of Tuesday, September 11th.Only parts of those lists were given by the FBI to the Associated Press. Those so-called victim lists were published by the big new agencies from the 12th september 2001 onwards.Those lists were never complete. Even more astonishing - the hijackers were never mentioned on those lists.Within 48 hours the FBI made public the names of 19 hijackers. But the FBI never released the complete passenger lists.Fortunately, people in the US started to create net site to honor those lost on the planes. On those sites, people were invited to make contributions to those who perished.As I said, the numbers were given straight away by United Airlines and American Airlines:On the 11th of september, United Airlines gave a total number of 45 persons. This was corrected the 12th after UA learned that one passenger had purchased 2 tickets.This led the airline initially to report that there were 45 people onboard, when there were, in fact, 44 people onboard.Very strange! See their site below.Those numbers were later never disputed, not by the FAA or the FBI. So, we suppose those numbers are CORRECT.The FBI gave the names of 19 hijackers:As I said, those names were never on any PUBLISHED passenger list. Of course, they must be on the ORIGINAL passenger manifests, as the FBI knows.This means, if we count all the names on the PUBLISHED passengerlists and we add the hyackers onboard of each plane, we get the total numbers (given above) of persons on those planes. I hope you agree.I started to search on the internet for those passenger lists. Practically all news agencies copied the lists published initially by the Associated Press. This list was updated several times but it still contained many mistakes, double-counting, etc.But with help of some VICTIM sites, made by the friends of the victims themselves, I managed to get all the names.I assure you, these lists are the complete lists . You can check this easily. If you see another passenger list with different names, please type those names on the Google search engine and you will find out if he or she was on another plane or was a victim in the WTC.Flight 93 40 persons , plus the number of hyackers given by the FBI, makes 44 persons. This number matches the number above, given by the airlines and the FAA, so this is correct.Flight 77 59 persons , plus the number of hijackers given by the FBI, makes 64 persons. This number matches also, so this is correct.Flight 175 58 persons, plus the number of hijackers given by the FBI, makes 63 persons. This number is not the same as given by the FAA and UA.Flight 11 89 persons, plus the number of hijackers given by the FBI, makes 94 persons. This number, too, is not the same as given by the FAA and AA.So we have 2 numbers WRONG.MR. MUELLER FROM THE FBI AND ASHCROFT FROM THE GOVERNMENT ARE LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT HIDING ?PS. I give you permission to change lay out and sentences as my English is not very accurate. BUT THE CONCLUSION MUST BE : THERE WERE 7 SO-CALLED HYACKERS ON FLIGHT 175 AND 3 ON FLIGHT 11.I GAVE YOU THE PROOF. MUELLER AND ASHCROFT ARE LYING.THE CLUE IS THIS: THE NUMBERS WERE RELEASED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, WHEN THE HYACKERS WERE NOT KNOWN YET,SO THE NUMBERS INCLUDED THEIR NAMES. 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Lewin is survived by his wife and two sons.University in 1998. He went into finance and was working for AltaTuesday morning. "The loss of our son has changed our lives," said hisknow there are so many other people who died. If you live in New York, youknow someone who's not there anymore." Mello is also survived by his father,MILDRED NAIMAN, Andover, Mass.RENEE NEWELL, 37, Cranston, R.I., customer service agent at AmericanJANE ORTH, 49, Haverhill, Mass., retired from Lucent TechnologyEntertainment Television, was headed home to his pregnant wife on AmericanFlight 11. 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Barbara Olson was a chief investigator for theHouse Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s. She later became aout on her own as a TV commentator and private lawyer. She was a frequentPenninger and his wife, Janet, loved to take motorcycle trips together. Theyhave one daughter, Karen. Penninger has worked for BAE Systems in RanchoROBERT R. PLOGER III, 59, Annandale, Va., software architect, LockheedLISA RAINES, 42, senior vice president of biotechnology firmJOHN SAMMARTINO, 37, Annandale, Va., technical manager, XonTech Inc.BOB SPEISMAN, 47, Irvington, N.Y., diamond industry salesmanNORMA LANG STEUERLE, 54, Alexandria, Va.LEONARD TAYLOR, 44, Reston, Va., technical group manager, XonTech Inc.SANDRA TEAGUE, 31, a physical therapist at Georgetown University Hospital inLESLIE A. WHITTINGTON, 45, University Park, Md., Georgetown UniversityVICKI YANCEY, 44, Springfield, Va., employee of defense contractorVredenburgcarrying 37 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants. It crashedJASON DAHL, 43, Denver, captain, United AirlinesALAN BEAVEN, 48, Oakland, Calif., environmental lawyerTHOMAS E. BURNETT JR. 38, San Ramon, Calif., was senior vice president anddevelopment company. He was aboard United Airlines Flight 93 when the planetrip for a November collectibles show.COLLEEN FRASER, 51, Elizabeth, N.J., chairwoman, New Jersey DevelopmentalANDREW GARCIA, 62, Portola Valley, Calif.LINDA GRONLUND, 46, Warwick, N. Y., environmental compliance, BMWRICHARD GUADAGNO, 38, of Eureka, Calif., a U.S. Fish and Wildlife ServiceHe worked for the federal government for 17 years at wildlife reserves inNew Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware and Oregon. Anne Badgley, director of theHe is survived by his parents and a sister.NICOLE MILLER, 21, San Jose, student, West Valley CollegeIndustries Vice President Walter Hoadley.
