ok....this will probably piss off every American but...

[SixFive]

They'd say the same thing about the Soviets.

Unless they were in Patton's 3rd Army. He hated the Russians, made no bones about it, his men knew it, and he wanted to conquer and drive them right back to Siberia. Sure would have been an extraordinarily different history had that happened.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Patton hated the Soviets, but they were part of the allies. He also hated the pace of the Canadian (and British) armies that were under Montgomery. Probably didn't like the US First Army much, either

I will admit that it's not the fairest of analogies comparing the WWII Canadians to the WWII Russians, but because a government was an ally 60 years ago doesn't mean they're an ally today. Like the people, hate the leaders, their policy and the people that put them there.

 

[kickserv]

question for Bobby.....

do you think Canada is an ally of the USA



I mean do you honestly feel that the USA and Canada are NOT ALLIES??????????




and since wer talking about WWII.......where the hell was the US??? Took em a while to get into that "little squirmish" called WWII.......most people forget that many Aussies, Brits, Fins, Poles, Czechs, Kiwis, and Canadians, etc. were dying..WELL BEFORE the US joined

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

do you think Canada is an ally of the USA

I mean do you honestly feel that the USA and Canada are NOT ALLIES??????????

I honestly feel that the government of Canada is not ally of the government of the United States. Trading partner? yep. Enemy? no. Ally? certainly not



and since wer talking about WWII.......where the hell was the US??? Took em a while to get into that "little squirmish" called WWII.......most people forget that many Aussies, Brits, Fins, Poles, Czechs, Kiwis, and Canadians, etc. were dying..WELL BEFORE the US joined

Do you really not know the reasons? Doesn't the canuck school system teach you any history besides Canadian? The U.S. joined the war same as the Poles, Czechs and the Fins once they were attacked. I think the Canadians and Aussies were part of the commonwealth with England at the time and is the reason that they joined (I may be getting my Great Wars mixed up, but I believe that is the case). We didn't want into the war due to the fact that we had to pick up the pieces in Europe after the first world war (we joined that one late, too, and, no, no one has forgotten) , had a depression that much needed payments of 10s of billions of dollars in loans to Germany Britain and France could have averted and we probably didn't want to start the whole process over again. Also, the Roosevelt probably didn't want to piss off Prescott Bush who was financing the Nazi war effort. 1.3 million Russians died stopping the Nazis which is a far stretch from the 40,000 Canadians that perished in the war that you went into (were told to go into) before the US joined the Allies.

I really didn't want to get into a pissing match on who's army is tougher, who's populace is braver, because anybody who was in that (or any other) war is far braver than you or I. What I did want to point out is that your green-eyed anti-american rhetoric is just a bit hypocritical when you allude to Americans as if we're all yankee doodle lemmings that have our minds controlled while at the same time spouting off the same group think anti - USA crap that Canadians are known for. The mind control is steeper up there and the myopia is deeper. So just keep sending down the oil, the water, an occasional playmate, and we'll keep sending up the cash and everything should be just fine and we won't have any problems. But an ally? No. Not anymore.

 

[gardenweasel]

bobby

bobby

hit the nail on the head about u.s. reticence to enter ww2.....

i remember reading that all of europe called churchill a "lunatic" as he warned of the "gathering storm"(the nazi`s )....and this coming not long after ww1....

europeans have very short memories....

 

[kickserv]

Bobby:

for the last time.......I am not Anti-American.......and I had to laugh out loud when you were talking about history class..now that was funny......Take a look at a history class in a US high school, you'll get George Washington shoved up your ass for 99% of the semester and then 1 week on "world history". Oh and then go down the hall to the geography class and you'll see a "grey blob" where Canada/Mexico should be. And yes, I know what I'm speaking of. I did a study for my masters thesis on US/Canada relations and one part of my study was taking US high schools that could SEE CANADA from their classroom.......That's correct SEE CANADA. Surveys in Detroit and Buffalo. You actually had students who could look out their window and see the country of Canada yet, had no clue what the province was. Let alone the history of that country. Yes it's true you should pay attention to your own' countries history first, but in the case of the US they seem to forget about the rest of the world. And don't give me crap about me being "green eyed". I've lived in the US for 30% of my life. Even went to school there. I have lived in 4 different states and have pretty much visited all of them at one time. And if your actually going to make a comment about the Canadian school system not teaching about the US your sadly mistaken. Do you know that in my high school we HAD TO TAKE US HISTORY. It was a requirement. Give me one high school in the US that says you must take Canadian history to graduate. Ummmm I think not. And as of your WWII facts.....Canada was involved WELL BEFORE the US was....that's a fact! Of course there were reasons why the US didn't get involved earlier, all I was stating was in WWII Canada was fighting well before the US was. And by the way, when Hitler was marching into Poland the US didn't give a shit, have no idea what your talking about when you say the US was with Poland???? Anyway, enough with the WWII stuff. You need to understand why the rest of the world thinks the way they do about the US. Most here on madjacks seem to understand that. And remember, when I point out information about the US that you don't like it doesn't mean I'm Anti-American. Get that through your head. I love the US......it's a great country, just not perfect. No country is!

 

[djv]

kickserv you are correct we down here are far from perfect. Were still a young country trying to find what works best. You will find most of us are not. The were better then everyone else is in the world. Were good folks and get pissed at out government now and then for doing dump stuff just like you do. And it was funny about our US History class. You are correct somewhat. We did get Washinton shoved down us a lot. And again you are right world history is not a must class down here. It should be my now and I hope it is. Then maybe some folks would no why we get are chit in trouble now and then thinking we have to save the world.
WWII is mentioned. There was a case where we still thought the world would take care of it's self. We didn have that we must save the world idea at that time.
Hitler had to be stopped long before the war broke out. Then it was 4 years to late. But know one was listening to the danger signs. And of course Germany left as it was after WW I made it easy for a nut like Hitler to move in. Some one from England should have had a hit put out on him about 1935. Oh well what we learn and don't learn form history.

 

[kickserv]

well said djv..well said

and speaking of that "map stuff"........next time your in a state that borders Canada go to the weather. Watch when the weather map comes up. Say your in Buffalo, look at the map.....if your lucky you'll see "Canada"...if your super lucky you might even see Ontario. You sure as heck will not see any towns or cities listed on there. Just a grey blob. Then go to a Canadian station and when they do the weather you won't see "USA" listed in some massive blob, you'll see cities, towns, states, etc. See my point!! Same thing holds true in almost every high school in the US........just look at a map.......Big grey Blob where Canada should be

see......Bobby doesn't seem to understand it's a mindset thing. If he realized that maybe he'd understand why other countries think the way they do. Not a question of right or wrong....a question of why. But when ya get USA USA USA rammed down your throat every 3 seconds ya tend to believe it. I mean some Americans think they are the only "free" country in the whole world

I find the best way for Americans to "understand" is to travel......that seems to do the trick. Most who travel seem to understand that other countries actually do certian things better, and not only that go about things differently. But as most know, lots of Americans don't travel outside the country, in fact some don't even go outside the STATE I'm sure Bobby would think differently if he lived in another country for a long period of time. It's amazing how much you can learn from just a little travel