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Should have been OU vs. Auburn

Should have been OU vs. Auburn

USC was penciled into the game as a sympathy vote from last seasons debacle. OU and Auburn were forced to run the gauntlet in tough conferences playing on the road vs. bitter rivals week after week and then win a championship game to top it off. USC went weeks at a time without playing worthy opponents. Then when the beat Cal and UCLA everyone tries to play these games up as great wins when apparently they were nothing more than average teams.
 

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THIS DEBATE IS OVER!

The PAC 10 (Cal in particular) was exposed as a fraud tonight. Texas Tech was the Big 12 4th place team and absolutely dominated California from the beginning untill the end of the game tonight.

USC beat Stanford (4-7) by 3 points.
USC beat Cal (10-2) by 6 points.
USC beat Oregon State (7-5) by 5 points.
USC beat UCLA (6-6) by 5 points.

The Oklahoma Sooners will roll the Trojans up, chew them up, spit them out and then stomp all over them on their way to claiming the National Championship trophy.
 

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Freisz,

For what it's worth, I noticed your sarcasm. Check the thread and you might find another poster who fits that description.

By the way, I'm still waiting for someone on the west coast (you know, someone who actually watches Pac-10 football along with all the other BCS conferences every week) to point out how terrible the conference is. I'd surmise that most folks posting anti-Pac 10 rhetoric have watched less than 10 intraconference games all year.
 
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I have watched each PAC 10 team play this year at least three times with the lone exception being Arizona. The league from top to bottom lacks defenses that are physical with the lone exception of Oreg State but they are by far the dumbest team in the country. USC could very well beat Okie but as a whole the league lacks the depth which are hallmarks of the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. At this point Scotts excuses are myopic fallacies that make no sense, who cares if Cal was minus two WR's that was not the problem as the problem was that thier defense was shredded to pieces. This just goes back to my theory that USC has a situation similar to what Miami had in the Big East a easy cakewalk each season to a title game when compared to what Okie and Aub had to do this year. Personally, I thought Texas Tech had the 3rd or 4th best offense in the Big 12, so I would hate to see what one of the better teams would of done to Cal.
 

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I think it is obvious the Pac 10 is down this year - not sure the mighty Big 12 South is in much better shape - Tech wins and OSU gets absolutely pummeled. Actually, the Big 12 North is 2-0 and the South is 1-1 - does that mean the North is actually better than the South? Don't think so. Ore St and Tex Tech looked very good, thats about it.

But whenever I see crap like this it brings up something that has always fascinated me. My question is why people like Dr Freeze seem to have such a hard on over west coast football. It goes beyond just argument - read the hate in what should be a simple analysis and debate about what conferences are having good bowl seasons, and which ones are not. He'll throw out Scott from SC as his answer maybe, but I don't buy it. It is not just in this forum or Dr Freeze specificially, I'm from the south, went to USC and travel quite a bit down there. It also exisits in other parts of the country as well. It is a interesting phenomenon. There is an insane jealousy, envy and/or hatred down there about the West Coast amongst the male population. People have a very hard time excepting a west coast team being dominant in any sport. It is especially true in college football where you have a very physical game (unlike b-ball) between two teams made up of mostly players from the schools region (unlike pro sports). It seems to strike at their core of beliefs that even if things aren't so great down on the bayou or where ever, at least our sports teams are stronger and mightier - hence we are real men and those west coasters with their nice weather, soy lattes, movie stars and liberal values that seem to drive this culture are not real men like us and we prove it as best you can in this modern culture which is in direct physical competition. When this core value is challenged - like USC being #1, it drives people down there into a rage. It really would not matter if SC scheduled an even stronger non-conf schedule and beat everyone in the Pac by 50 points, some people that I know and on this site still could not let themselves beleive that a west coast, pac-10, pass loving team could be #1. It stikes at their core beliefs too deeply. There is no point in debating with these people. There is no denying it exisists.

It is something that has fasinated me my entire adult life. Growing up in Houston, it reminds me a little of Houstonians hatred of Dallas and desparate desire to beat them or be better than them at anything at all costs even though people from Dallas could care less about Houston's successes or failures.

One time I saw this attitude out west going the other way was when the Big 10 was b-slapping the Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl year in year out in the 90's. It was amazing how many west coasters would dismiss the fact that the Big10 was putting out better champions. I heard that the Big10 teams where a bunch of slow footed, uncreative - ie dumb teams who could do nothing but run up the middle for 3-4 yards and that despite the evidence on the field, the Pac-10's sophisticated - ie smarter, teams where playing at a different, more advanced level and the only reason the Pac would lose the Rose Bowl was that the Pac 10 had moved beyond that type of football and it was like facing the wish bone when you don't see it for years, the teams just not used to that, but still better. Just rationalization of why Big 10 teams where putting the hurt on the Pac. Complete BS and rationalization for why after a great run by Pac 10 teams in the 70's and 80's in the Rose, they were losing. It was difficult for those people to accept that things that they took to be constants had changed.
 

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I must say I was not shocked I took cal , what did catch me off guard was the speed of tech was better then cal, but everyone read my post about conf top 4 teams, and if you made up a conf and took the top 4 teams in any sport and yes big east is still a major conf and put them in a conf together( would be 6 confrences) does not matter who is who that year your top 4 would be split between both confrences most of the time, I have coached in both college and pro more ncaa the pro way more, but not going to do the whole thing over, but you can read my cal write up it is in it and explains. Scott try to make the pac 10 look like the best in the word , well scott is a fan, you do what I said and the top 4 teams most of the time that would go to a tourney or bowl game would be split 2-2 from every conf across the board if they played a 7 game head to head in any given sport or season , this is veg but have it explained much better in my thread in ncaafb.

YES PAC 10 HAS LAID SOME DUCKS AND TRUST ME FAR FROM A PAC-10 PERSON but I know what I wrote is and would be true year in and year out teams might change but out come would be 2teams from 1 conf and 2 teams from the other in all 6 conf top 4 teams for the most part. reasons are in other thread. see it all the time in hoops and baseball. I was on the wrong side still thought cal was the better team at the half but the speed just got worse against them in the 2nd half, injuries means jack shit in a major d1 program, a mid major has more to worry about because of depth, but all d1 teams have d1 starters who could interchange at most any school in your top and even mid majors, bench is where your mid majors fall short if you added their top 2 teams from say mac, cusa, wac and mt.west. If I lost you read my ncaafb thread. 1 game does not mean jack, anyone can win and anyone can also lay a duck, bowls are not like a playoff or tourney in baseball,hoops or any fb but d1, in the others you go to play no night life ,no grand balls special dinners just like playing another reg season game till you lose and in baseball everything is doulbe elem, then best 2 out of 3 in super region and ws.
 

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ps it is in my ncaafb 2nd half thread page 2 or 3,the other thread with games sides which had small conf fb and few bowl winners sides and a couple smaller losing plays is lost might be 7-8 pages back??? so this one says 2nd half plays ncaafb thread.

happy new years and be safe.

Eric
 

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Big 10 is down this year a ton of underclassmen comeback. You can roll the dice on Mich, OSU, Iowa as all being possible BCS contenders. Besides, the argument with Scott has never been about the Big 10 but with the Pac 10 being equal to the SEC and Big 12
 

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And Texas A&M getting blasted by Tenn means that ??????? All this talk of comparisons is fun, but pointless. Bowl games take place a month after the regular season and rosters are often different, coaching questions occur, motivation or lack of same is impossible to determine.
 

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Like MadJack, I too have tired of all this PAC-10 / anti-USC bashing. But after tonight's game, I submit to you that you are all accountable for the statements you'd made. Do what is right and you will reveal yourselves to be honorable men. We will all check back soon.
 

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ET4646 said:
For waht it's worth I am not USC fan but I hope they beat the shit out of OU so this bashing of the PAC-10 stops. By the way, I don't think anyone from the big ten should talk about weak conferences. :rolleyes:


You just got your wish. :brows:
 

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Stewy said:
USC was penciled into the game as a sympathy vote from last seasons debacle. OU and Auburn were forced to run the gauntlet in tough conferences playing on the road vs. bitter rivals week after week and then win a championship game to top it off. USC went weeks at a time without playing worthy opponents. Then when the beat Cal and UCLA everyone tries to play these games up as great wins when apparently they were nothing more than average teams.


this is a good one
 

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I am convinced that Oklahoma will roll these pretenders!
I could not have been more wrong. Congratulations to all Trojan backers on the well deserved National Championship!
 
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