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i'm sorry, but even brady admitted it was a fumble to gannon via a phone call. the game should have never come to that due to zack fuuckett's inability to run for 1yd...............................

ps. the bs tackling of colts rec in big games came to an end and now the cheating does as well.

brady is a fine qb - #2 overall in the leaugue.

i hate SD, but they will not allow 30+ this weekend - i think they win out right. gl

the pats will still have a great year and every SB winner these days needs a little luck or a F' up by the other team (ie. heroin boy reche caldwell's drop) to win a SB.

the steelers never make it if palmer's leg isn't f'd early, nor do they beat SEA w/o the bs calls in game.

almost every winner these days does not crush their opponent to the point where one or two plays could not change the outcome.

it is here to stay - parity
 

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Statement from Bill Belichick New England Patriots

New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick has issued the following statement.


"Earlier this week, I spoke with Commissioner Goodell about a videotaping procedure during last Sunday's game and my interpretation of the rules. At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling. Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league?s decision, I will have further comment.?

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Also, Belichick is having a press conference at 10:50am
 

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Blitz, I am glad to hear you say its not a proud moment. And yes, I have had a hair up my ass about the Pats for different reasons.

Right now I'm not real proud to have Weis coaching my Irish. I didn't like the hire at first just b/c he was coming from the Pats. But I felt ND got a guy that just knew so much about offense, etc. so I quickly came to like having him at ND.

To me, it wouldn't be a big deal if this was just a one time thing. But they have been accused over and over and now there is total proof they are guilty.

Everything really starts to add up now. Brady, a 6th round pick, comes in and becomes a star. They run 5-wide and the offense line blocks perfect on almost every down.

They take lesser talent and consistently win because they are smarter and more team oriented. What a great feel-good story. Reminds me a lot of Rick Ankiel....oh right I forgot...

I've posted before about how its almost like they pick and choose which games they want to go out and win and when they don't need to as if they are looking at the big picture.

Now it looks more like they are the kid who is cheating on a test but is smart enough to realize a perfect score of 100 might make people suspicious.

I think in the past years they have good coaches and good players, etc. but I think they gained so much of an advantage for so long, that its all a fraud. This is not a championship organization and never has been.

Shame on the Pats and shame on the NFL.
 

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Statement from Bill Belichick New England Patriots

New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick has issued the following statement.


"Earlier this week, I spoke with Commissioner Goodell about a videotaping procedure during last Sunday's game and my interpretation of the rules. At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling. Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league?s decision, I will have further comment.?

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Also, Belichick is having a press conference at 10:50am

Which is all code for "yeah we did it but we have some bs explanation as to why we were allowed to and we lost the Commissioner's letter that clealry explained the rules."
 

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belicheat :mj07:

i mean belichek, i had al the most respect for.

until last years afc championship game when after the colts beat there ugly asses,and mr belicheat couldnt even have the time to congratulate peyton and wish him luck the rest of the way

instead he ran by him and gave him a quick hand shake and moved on

after that game i lost all my respect i had for belicheat and the patriots. **** them and when they come to buffalo i will be giving it him and his team all game.

i sit 5 rows behind there bench :142smilie

btw belicheat after all the success you have had, isnt time to change your wardrobe , you look just like you act, a bum
 

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Cheating more common than you think
John Czarnecki / FOXSports.com
Posted: 50 minutes ago

Bill Belichick isn't the only cheater out there.
But the Patriots got caught red-handed and they did because Jets coach Eric Mangini knows all of Belichick's tricks. This is why stadium security and NFL security were ready to pounce on Belichick's young camera guy last Sunday and eventually confiscate the damaging video evidence of Jets coaches signaling to their players.

Coaches, in both college and the NFL, have been cheating for decades. Anything to gain an edge come game day. The first inclination is to think that Belichick is too good of a coach to be cheating. The second thought is that he has to cheat because he knows his competition is doing it.

Believe me, I have heard the stories of pro scouts sitting in the press box and putting a video camera on opposing team coaches. Teams definitely look for any edge in order to decipher signals.


How valuable is it? Well, how much would a quarterback pay to know if the defense is blitzing or not? Or what the secondary coverage was going to be? Many teams have color-coded their signals. Peyton Manning alters his verbal codes every week, making sure that the opposition doesn't know what he's calling.


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell sent out a strong memo last season regarding the use of cameras and such and now must apply the punishment despite having a strong relationship with Patriots owner Bob Kraft. The Pats could lose a third-round draft choice, which is a pretty steep penalty. Others are suggesting multiple picks. Also, a one-game suspension is seriously being considered for Belichick. A lot of teams are suggesting that.

Honestly, this incident is very embarrassing to the league, which was truly excited about the season starting after having to deal for months with the Michael Vick dogfighting issue and the suspensions of Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson and Chris Henry. Plus, Belichick isn't any other coach. He is a three-time winner of the Super Bowl and considered a future Hall of Famer. There are going to be some fans who will wonder if those championships are now tarnished. Did Bill cheat to win them, too?

There is no doubt that offensive coaches have strongly influenced the NFL's Competition Committee and that's why for the second year in a row a proposal to allow a defensive player to have a radio helmet ? like the quarterback's ? was defeated at the March meetings. The coach-to-defensive player radio transmitters missed by two votes, 22-10. The year before the vote was 18-14. With the Patriots getting caught, there definitely is a very good chance the defensive proposal will pass this April in Palm Beach.

"I really believe if the defense had radio helmets, coaches like Bill wouldn't be using a video camera like this," said one NFL head coach.
 

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the steelers never make it if palmer's leg isn't f'd early, nor do they beat SEA w/o the bs calls in game.

I'll agree you need some luck to make it thru the playoffs but this makes me laugh. Last I checked, Palmer didnt play defense for the Bungholes which gave up almost 350 total Yds. Palmer led them to a 7-0 nuthin lead, then under Kitna they were up 10-0, then 17-7. Cincy botched a field goal in the 3rd and it was all downhill from there. Steelers won that game with defense and a balanced offense that Cincy couldnt handle. The only difference if Palmer was in, instead of losing 31-17 it might have been 31-24. I won't even address the Super Bowl. :nono:
 

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"If you aren't cheating.....your not trying hard enough."

I believe everyone the NFL is so win oriented, the culture is so much about winning..... that everyone is engaged in some form of envelope stretching.

I draw the line, though at wire tapping or telehponic hijacking. Hiring lip readers or camera men.......they are simply observing actions that are right out in the open. The phone conversations, have a higher expectation of privacy.

My 2 cents
 

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The Jets didn't complain at all dumbass, nfl security confiscated the camera, the jets haven't even commented on the issue.:00x5

do you think it's a coincidence that Ms belichick got caught against the jets ? mangini worked for the hooded genius. he learned the cheating game from the master. mangini should have manned up and played the game with in the game and kept his mouth shut. all this is about is the little man trying to knock his old boss down a peg, head games. these two guys are worse than a couple of school girls. i'm still trying to figure out what happened to bills girls in the afc championship game last yr. why didn't they cheat that day and win me some money.
 
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Bottom line...New England is cheaters.
IMO they should be stripped of the W ,and lose all this years draft picks.
 

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I dont understand why the league doesnt just give the Patriots a forfeit loss for last weeks Jets game. They were caught red handed cheating and won the game handily. OK so make them forfiet the game they were caught cheating in. No other punishment seems appropriate to me.
 

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From Boston Herald

According to multiple league sources, the practice of surreptitiously recording a foe is commonplace. A former Patriots cameraman told the Herald as much on Tuesday.

?I can tell you this happens all the time,? he said. ?I guarantee you the Jets and everybody else are doing it, too.?

Similarly, a Packers official admitted part of the reason the team didn?t file a complaint against the Pats even after catching them with a camera last November was because ?everyone does it.?

The difference, multiple sources said, is that the Patriots? breach was overwhelmingly egregious.

?When we call in our defenses, we work really hard to keep other teams from getting (the signals),? Chargers coach Norv Turner said.
 

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I've had a couple of days to think about this and my opinion gets worse and worse every day. This guy is a jerk and just might be a fraud.

Remember when Hines Ward said that the Pats D knew the plays before they did during the playoffs a couple of years ago? This did not happen for the first time last week, this had to be going on for some time.

Maybe this was why Belichek was pissed when Mangini left. He knew he would eventually be exposed. You could also tell Weiss was on to it as well just from his reaction.

Bottome line, Bellichek = BUSH LEAGUE

By the way, there is a difference between stealing signs and video taping someone on their own sidelines. Big difference
 

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Well said Skipper. I'm not saying the Pats are the only ones doing it, I'm just saying it is definitely cheating and its not ok just b/c everyone is doing it.

This league may be far, far worse than I thought, which is pretty bad to begin with.

At this point...and I know it won't happen...I wish there would be some kind of investigation of practices, and if Weis is in on it, get his ass out of Notre Dame.

Overall, I still wish O'Leary would have ended up with the job years ago.
 

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cant dispute that what the patriots did is in violation of the rules regardless of how many teams do it etc...but lets see how they do this year now that they have been caught before we start saying that their past wins and success have been substantially effected by this conduct.

make sure I am clear, I am not condoning it just lets hold off on blanket assumptions until we have some empirical data to analyze "before and after" this incident .

cooz
 

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From Dr. Z at SI.com:

The fact is, this is nothing new. Stories are now coming out of the woodwork that cheating has been a normal modus operandi with this club.

Last year the Lions played the Patriots in Foxboro. At one point their coach, Rod Marinelli, phoned up to the press box, "There's a camera pointed right at our defensive coach making his calls. Is that allowed?" A Lions' employee called the NFL booth. No, it certainly was not. So the videotaper was stopped. Then after a while he began again. The same process was repeated and he was asked to stop again. Now that's dedication.

"You don't really know for sure," Marinelli said. "I mean you don't know whether he might be doing something for NFL Films or a coaches' show or whatever."

"At one point we had a good drive going against the Patriots," said one Lion who doesn't want his name involved in this mess, but was willing to talk about it. "Mike Martz really had 'em going. They were getting fouled up, lining up wrong, we were moving the ball. Then boom, the headset from the sidelines to the coaches' booth goes out.

"Next possession we were moving the ball again and the same thing happened. You know it only takes two or three plays to mess up a drive."

Matt Millen, the Lions' GM, was talking to Bengals' coach Marvin Lewis at the league meetings. He started telling him the story.

"Yeah, I know," Lewis said. "Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too."

Marinelli was the defensive line coach in Tampa Bay when the Bucs beat the Patriots in the 2000 regular season opener and did a good job controlling New England's offense. After the game the Patriots' offensive coach, Charlie Weis, was overheard congratulating the Bucs' defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin.

"We knew all your calls, and you still stopped us," Weis said. "I can't believe it."


He couldn't believe it because the Patriots had videotaped all of the defensive signals in their last preseason game, which was against the Bucs.

The stories are all coming out now, but why hadn't all this been reported to the league office before this?

"At the time, you never know for sure," Millen said. "And if you don't know it at the time, then you don't feel right reporting it later."

As a former Patriots employee, Jets coach Eric Mangini must have known what was going on. So why didn't he have some kind of system of dummy calls set up to foul up the video surveillance?

"He did," says a former Patriots employee whose name cannot be used for obvious reasons. "He had three sets of signals being given, one real, two dummy. He had the same thing going when he beat the Patriots last year. But still, it means extra work, changing the way you prepare for a game. It means both clubs are not playing on the same level field, and that's what's wrong about it."

I asked the former Patriot, who knows the organization well, if Mangini could in any way be held responsible for being part of a system that encouraged cheating. He paused for a moment to decide how to get this right.

"You have to understand that organization," he said. "You have to understand how incredibly tight the ring is. Information is not just passed around. Even if you might be aware of something, you're not going to know exactly how everything works. Eric was an employee there. He was not privy to every decision. His own operation was clean. Sure, he knew other stuff was going on, but how was he supposed to handle it?

"The amazing thing is the incredible arrogance they showed, coming into Giants Stadium, facing an organization with all those ex-Patriots employees, and still trying to cheat."

Here's a hard question. How tainted does Tom Brady now become, as the quarterback who was the recipient of stolen goods?

"That's a tough one," my source said. "Tom also is an employee there. He does what he's told. I'll say this about Tom Brady. Not only is he an employee, but he's a damn good quarterback and a fine person."

Everyone is secretly enjoying seeing the mighty Patriots being brought to earth.

"Irony, that's what my father loved best," said Art Rooney Jr., the Steelers' former player personnel director. "This would have been perfect for him."

Just as much fun is speculating about the severity of the penalty the league will issue, from a slap on the wrist -- such as a fine -- to a loss of draft choices, to a punishment in the old style. How does a public flogging and some time in the stocks sound?
 

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Belichek adding to his past questionable actions. Quikly becoming a coach with no class at all. Too bad, as he probably doesn't need all those extras to win.
 
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