Paul Ryan-trying to defend stupid healthcare bill
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Actually it is a much better approach that we have now. So much mis-information out there right now - mostly from people making comments about it that do not have the understanding of how the individual insurance market works, in terms of pricing (setting premiums). Just liberals saying "this is a stupid healthcare bill", without having a deep understanding of what may work and what doesn't work.
Sorry Jack, your comment falls into the category. But I'm sure you just put that out there to drive clicks and discussion, so I understand.
when the majority of the congressman dont read the 1600 pages it shows they dont understand whats in it either.
this is not for the people, that is a guarantee.
just the tax cuts to the top rich is enough to gag a mags
Not my comment, it's the title of the video that isn't mine either. :0008
After turning 62 this year I fall into the category of people getting fucked with this bill. No, I don't like it and I do get fucked.
Also, I have a pre-existing condition since the mid 80's. Hypertension. I take a daily BP pill that keeps the pressure nearly perfect all the time. Almost any heath problem I may get can be said to be caused by the high blood pressure so God knows the insurance companies don't want my business, so I guess I'll pay even more. No matter how you spin this, the elderly are getting fucked. And they were before. I certainly wasn't a happy camper with Obamacare either. I highly doubt the bill in this form passes senate.
I don't get paid by clicks.
I would rather they just let Obamacare FAIL, talk about not reading this bill, how about the ORIGINAL?
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So, if you cost more, and routinely have higher expenses reimbursed than a healthy 62 year old, you don't think the healthy 62 year old should pay less? What about the 400 pound 30 year old, compared to a healthy weight 30 year old? Is it fair for them to pay the same?
Would you be happy if people with 5 DUI's could buy auto insurance, and it was mandated thst they pay the same premium as you do, which means premiums would increase significantly?
Is it fair to charge 25 yesr old folks double what they cost, so we can offer reduced premiums for older people? That is one of the many reasons the young don't buy now - insurance companies are forced to overcharge them due to the 3-1 mandated by Obamacare.
The closer premiums per person can be set to the risk the individual presents, the better. It is what Democrats call "paying your fare share", instead of expecting subsidies from other groups to pay a portion of your premiums. And that is why Obamacare is failing: too high premiums on the young and the healthy. Allow companies the flexibility to charge more actuarially correct premiums, and you would get more healthy folks in the pool, which results in lower rates overall.
And KOD, I guess it is just best to ignore you, as most others do.
No! Who gets to determine who gets the good rates? I have never had a reimbursed expense. That's never! And I have never been uninsured my entire working life. Who got screwed in my situation? Who made out?
And KOD, I guess it is just best to ignore you, as most others do.[/QUOTE]
yeh true
your way too stupid to talk to me anyway
hows it going there in south america these days
yeh true
your way too stupid to talk to me anyway
hows it going there in south america these days
Idaho Republican Rep. Raul Labrador sparked outrage from his audience and online after saying "nobody dies" for lack of health care access in a town hall Friday night at Lewis-Clark State College in Lewiston, Idaho.
Labrador made the comments the day after the U.S. House passed a GOP-led health care bill repealing and replacing chunks of Obamacare. Labrador, a member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, was responding to an audience member who expressed concern about how the bill would affect Medicaid recipients.
"You are mandating people on Medicaid accept dying. You are making a mandate that will kill people," the audience member said, before being drowned out by Labrador's response.
"No one wants anybody to die," Labrador said. "You know, that line is so indefensible. Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care."
The line immediately drew audible outrage from the crowd, as well as ire from social media users. Labrador was similarly booed for a comment he made last month that health care isn't a "basic human right."
Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was fiercely criticized for a similar comment he made in 2012.
"We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance," the former Massachusetts governor told editors of the Columbus Dispatch.
It's unclear how many people would lose health insurance under the current version of the GOP plan, which has yet to be scored by the Congressional Budget Office.
A 2009 study published by the American Journal of Public Health before Obamacare became law said 45,000 people die annually from lack of health insurance.
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Labrador made the comments the day after the U.S. House passed a GOP-led health care bill repealing and replacing chunks of Obamacare. Labrador, a member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, was responding to an audience member who expressed concern about how the bill would affect Medicaid recipients.
"You are mandating people on Medicaid accept dying. You are making a mandate that will kill people," the audience member said, before being drowned out by Labrador's response.
"No one wants anybody to die," Labrador said. "You know, that line is so indefensible. Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care."
The line immediately drew audible outrage from the crowd, as well as ire from social media users. Labrador was similarly booed for a comment he made last month that health care isn't a "basic human right."
Former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was fiercely criticized for a similar comment he made in 2012.
"We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance," the former Massachusetts governor told editors of the Columbus Dispatch.
It's unclear how many people would lose health insurance under the current version of the GOP plan, which has yet to be scored by the Congressional Budget Office.
A 2009 study published by the American Journal of Public Health before Obamacare became law said 45,000 people die annually from lack of health insurance.
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I said this in another thread.
15 years ago we needed insurance for just my wife. they refused her for pre-existing condition.
it was high cholestrol.
they wanted 5 thousand a month to insure her.
cant imagine how the insurance co are going to fuck with almost everyone now. we all have something they will call pre existing.
lobby for insurance companies , money under the table paying off big time . gop in their pockets.
never trust anyone that talks as fast as Ryan and out of the side of his mouth.
Ryan - its only 14 thousand. If they make 26 thousand then they have the money.
whats the problem
Republicans are having a hard time defending the way their health care plan would weaken protections for people with pre-existing conditions. They got no help on Sunday from one of their own, Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
Obamacare forbids insurance companies from denying coverage or charging higher rates for people because of their medical histories. The Republican plan that passed the House last week would allow states to waive those protections, paving the way for insurers to charge sick people higher rates.
In theory, there would be what are known as high-risk pools to help cover people whose pre-existing conditions create a barrier. Trouble is, high-risk pools historically have been underfunded. The original Republican plan had around $100 billion in federal funds devoted to the pools, and an amendment designed to get more votes last week added another $8 billion over five years.
Asked by CNN?s Jake Tapper about the high-risk pool plan, Kasich said it simply wouldn?t work.
?This business of these [high]-risk pools, they are not funded. ? Eight billion dollars is not enough to fund. It?s ridiculous,? he said, laughing. ?And the fact is, states are not going to opt for that.?
Kasich said that as governor he would not opt for the waiver from Obamacare?s pre-existing conditions provisions.
?There would be no reason to move to a high-risk pool, because a high-risk pool is not funded,? he said. ?So, I would just stay in the traditional program on the exchange.?
He was also highly critical of the plan to unwind the Obamacare expansion, which brought coverage to millions of people in the 31 states that took advantage of it. Kasich wondered what would happen to all the people who wouldn?t have had coverage if not for the expansion.
?In Medicaid, you are going to knock all these people off after 2020, which is just a few years away,? he said.
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its no where near enough and they know it.
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take the rich tax cuts and instead put it in the pool
oh no we cant do that , we are in their pockets for millions
Obamacare forbids insurance companies from denying coverage or charging higher rates for people because of their medical histories. The Republican plan that passed the House last week would allow states to waive those protections, paving the way for insurers to charge sick people higher rates.
In theory, there would be what are known as high-risk pools to help cover people whose pre-existing conditions create a barrier. Trouble is, high-risk pools historically have been underfunded. The original Republican plan had around $100 billion in federal funds devoted to the pools, and an amendment designed to get more votes last week added another $8 billion over five years.
Asked by CNN?s Jake Tapper about the high-risk pool plan, Kasich said it simply wouldn?t work.
?This business of these [high]-risk pools, they are not funded. ? Eight billion dollars is not enough to fund. It?s ridiculous,? he said, laughing. ?And the fact is, states are not going to opt for that.?
Kasich said that as governor he would not opt for the waiver from Obamacare?s pre-existing conditions provisions.
?There would be no reason to move to a high-risk pool, because a high-risk pool is not funded,? he said. ?So, I would just stay in the traditional program on the exchange.?
He was also highly critical of the plan to unwind the Obamacare expansion, which brought coverage to millions of people in the 31 states that took advantage of it. Kasich wondered what would happen to all the people who wouldn?t have had coverage if not for the expansion.
?In Medicaid, you are going to knock all these people off after 2020, which is just a few years away,? he said.
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its no where near enough and they know it.
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take the rich tax cuts and instead put it in the pool
oh no we cant do that , we are in their pockets for millions
Who made out?
Simple: the insurance companies and the maggots they employ. Maggots?
Yes, that's Mags, sucking the blood of people who pay for insurance and then get fucked in the ass so that The Maggot gets paid.
Put everyone on Medicare, put The Maggot on the street where he has to get a real job.
Jack, you have heard of probability - we use it all the time in gambling. You are the exception to the rule, I guess. Hypertension, with alcohol use, smoking, and a BMI of over 25, are all contributing conditions well within a person's control. I'm sure you are well aware of these contributing factors. Fact is, a smoking/drinking/overweight hypertensive that is 62 statistically will have quite a few claims. It is great that you are beating the odds. But even Kershaw, at home when he is a -380 favorite, loses once in a while. But he wins the vast majority of the time. And yes, it is easy to be overweight in today's world - most of America is. From when I met you a number of years ago, I'd peg you at about 6'2". Which means, according to the Gov, you must be 195 pounds or less. Like I said, many of us are overweight - which plays a role in diabetes and hypertension. All under our control.
No reimbursed expense during your life? Maybe that is possible if you have an HSA plan your whole life (although they didn't exist before 1996). So, have you ever gone to the doctor and paid a $25 copay? How about the prescription drugs that you are on for hypertension? Do you pay the full cost out of pocket, or do you pay a nominal copay for the drug? You are 62 - what about colonoscopies? You likely have had at least 2 of those by now (at least you should have). Those are "free" under Obamacare. Did you pay full cost for those, or did the insurance company pick that up too?
Any time you pay a copay (which I'm guessing you did), the insurance company picks up the rest. It's not like the doctor says "hey, I saw your for 15 minutes, so $25 is good!". The real cost of a GP visit (those 15 minutes you get with him) is around $100 - and a specialist can be $200-$400 per visit.
Okay, no reimbursements outside of routine visits that everybody has.
Thanks for the smug reply. No sense discussing this issue with you. :0008
