***PEYTON MANNING MVP?

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I know I'm a homer, but.... Can Peyton Manning be given the MVP this year??

With Manning: The Colts go to the playoffs 9 straight years
Without Manning: The Colts go 0-8 (possibly 0-16 :shrug:)


** Obviously he's not eligible to win, but something should be said for how much 1 player can mean to his team.
 
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CartersCubs said:
I know I'm a homer, but.... Can Peyton Manning be given the MVP this year??

With Manning: The Colts go to the playoffs 9 straight years
Without Manning: The Colts go 0-8 (possibly 0-16 :shrug:)


** Obviously he's not eligible to win, but something should be said for how much 1 player can mean to his team.
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Truely the Colts are not a complete team. Last I saw, Peyton doesn't play defense. Colts entire team are a mess. If they quit playing because they are done then it's on the coach.
 
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I've said this a million times, the Colts having the worst backups in the league doesn't make Manning MVP. Just look at all the shit teams in the league with terrible QB's and have 2 wins or less.
 
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Gags said:
Truely the Colts are not a complete team. Last I saw, Peyton doesn't play defense. Colts entire team are a mess. If they quit playing because they are done then it's on the coach.
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I've said this a million times, the Colts having the worst backups in the league doesn't make Manning MVP. Just look at all the shit teams in the league with terrible QB's and have 2 wins or less.
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-I could't agree more! For years I have been wondering why the Colts have had such disregard for back-up QB (Sorgi and then Painter).

-As far as Colts having the worst backups, I'm not quite sure I agree there. Colts have been amazing at bringing in no-name back-up WR who have played exceptionally well. I think the entire Colts strategy is based on getting a lead (via Peyton Manning), and subsequently putting the opposing team on their heels and forcing them to throw the ball. Without the offensive threat this year, opposing squads are able to play their game, run the ball and force the Colts to play catch-up.
 
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CartersCubs said:
-I could't agree more! For years I have been wondering why the Colts have had such disregard for back-up QB (Sorgi and then Painter).

-As far as Colts having the worst backups, I'm not quite sure I agree there. Colts have been amazing at bringing in no-name back-up WR who have played exceptionally well. I think the entire Colts strategy is based on getting a lead (via Peyton Manning), and subsequently putting the opposing team on their heels and forcing them to throw the ball. Without the offensive threat this year, opposing squads are able to play their game, run the ball and force the Colts to play catch-up.
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the WR's play well cause of peyton putting the ball in very easy spots to make catches...

look at your "great" no-name receivers this year :facepalm:


good receivers make plays without having to have elite qbs...

ask fitzgerald
or calvin when stafford was out last year
or brandon marshall pretty much his whole career...


your receivers are average at best, manning makes them better...
 
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the WR's play well cause of peyton putting the ball in very easy spots to make catches...

look at your "great" no-name receivers this year :facepalm:


good receivers make plays without having to have elite qbs...

ask fitzgerald
or calvin when stafford was out last year
or brandon marshall pretty much his whole career...


your receivers are average at best, manning makes them better...
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-I never said they were "great". I said they have played "exceptionally well, considering they were not top 10 picks (ie: Fitzgerald & Calvin Johnson).

-I would completely agree with you in terms of Peyton's presence making them better, but the Colts have not had the opportunity to draft any big name WR.

-Regardless if we agree on this subject, I hope we can agree that the Colts are so terrible this year because of 2 major reasons:
1. Peyton's Absence
2. Terrible (risk) management on the part of the entire organization
 
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This Colts team is very much like the Colts os 1981. I made a lot betting against them every week. It was so ridiculous the bookie started giving me lines like Colts +18 -140 :facepalm:
This is what Robert Irsay gave the city of Baltimore.

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The won the 1st and last games vs NE and got crushed the rest :mj07:
 
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