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[gman2]

again, america loves this team. and you can be certain that cbs will be gushing over them as well and likely having gus johnson do the play by play and talk about how they're a "team" and how they "scrappy" and "do the little things right"

no doubt that makes for great television.

but theres a good chances that wvu could end up like boston college last year and alabama from a few years ago (when they played kent state). both were high seeds and very vulnerable, and were therefore laying just a point or two to mid-mjaor teams.

that doesnt mean that west virginia can't make a run in the tournament if things break right and they get a favorable matchup. but pretty much any team that steps onto the floor with wvu as a lower seed has to feel like theyve got a very good shot to win if they play good defense and win the boards. easier said than done? maybe. but thats a helluva lot easier than trying to matchup with a uconn, or a texas, or even a michigan state

 

[gjn23]

So what's the point???????
We both have the same info.

All I'm saying is in context of the original point that coming from a weak conf they still have held their own in the tourney against the big boys.

Your saying they didn't get to round 3 since high seed so what they still are in a crap conference and win in the 1st rd.

What's your point?????????????

my pointis that gonzaga has proven to be over-rated the past 4 years when finally thrown into the status of a high seed........i think they fit the profile of a high seed (1-4) who is likely to not see week 2 of the tourney (as their track record indicates).

for all the talk of them as a final four contender and national program....lets see them beat teams they should beat according to their seed first. They likely will have another home court scenario, playing in slc this year but given the draw i will probably be going against them in round 2.....again.....of course everything depends on the draw, but an underachieving team from a power conf that is also an athletic team with big, quick guards will eat them up. Think the committe would love to try an pair an arizona/uw vs. gonzaga match-up in round 2?????

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Gman - I think anybody would have a hard time matching up with Uconn, Texas, and MSU in the tourney. Are you serious? That is probably two #1 seeds and a #2/3 seed.

 

[Wilson]

again, america loves this team. and you can be certain that cbs will be gushing over them as well and likely having gus johnson do the play by play and talk about how they're a "team" and how they "scrappy" and "do the little things right"

no doubt that makes for great television.

but theres a good chances that wvu could end up like boston college last year and alabama from a few years ago (when they played kent state). both were high seeds and very vulnerable, and were therefore laying just a point or two to mid-mjaor teams.

that doesnt mean that west virginia can't make a run in the tournament if things break right and they get a favorable matchup. but pretty much any team that steps onto the floor with wvu as a lower seed has to feel like theyve got a very good shot to win if they play good defense and win the boards. easier said than done? maybe. but thats a helluva lot easier than trying to matchup with a uconn, or a texas, or even a michigan state

Okay, I bit my lip long enough :talk:

I agree with one of your points..WVU could lose or beat anybody they face.

However, WVU is 5-2 versus RPI top 25..four of those wins were on the road.

They don't matchup with Texas? GMan, they missed three front ends of a one and one to blow their match up with Texas in November. WVU pretty much dominated them.

LSU? They had a horrible 10 second violation versus LSU with less than a minute remaining or they would have beaten them.

How in the hell can you come up with overrated? Swept Georgetown..Beat UCLA on the road...destroyed Oklahoma...Beat Nova in Philly. Shalll I go on?

Just because they get killed on the glass makes them overrated? Have you taken a peak at their turnover to assist ratio as a team. Have you snuck a peak at the amount of fouls they commit per game? On top of that, they put 5 guys on the floor that can flat out shoot. Those 5 same guys can take it to the hoop, too.

This team plays very unselfish and truly epitomizes how basketball should be played.

You went and mentioned Marshall? WVU had just returned from Philly and Los Angeles two days prior to getting beat by them..throw in it is a rivalry and you have the recipe for what happened.

Look at the run last year and then look at the results of this year including the close but no cigar losses. I have a hard time believing as smart you are you can find a legit reason to say that they are overrated.

How many big games do they have to win to convince you? They are 9-1 in the best conference EVER.

Oh and you mentioned UCONN? The team that was beaten by Marquette? Check out what WVU did to that team. UCONN in Morgantown on the 18th. Will it be a fluke if they pull the upset? If you ask every head coach in the BE..you would get a resounding no. Don't make me go back and gather quotes from Tom Crean, JT III, Jay from Philly, Howland from Hollywood after they took their whipping. I think that Tom Crean said it best...this is the very best team that I have seen.

 

[IIIBUCKEYESIII]

Hey gman just curious, if West Virgina is overrated what do you think of the Ohio State Buckeyes???

 

[JEFF]

gman, I think you're WAY off in this instance. All WVU does is win. Sure they may rely on the 3, etc, but they won at Nova, beat a very good Gtown twice, at UCLA, lost by one to Texas. so on, so forth. One o fthe best coaches in the country, too.

And they're virtually the same team that was a second half collapse away from the Final Four.

I will definitely wager with you that they are not gone after the first weekend, let me know if you're interested.

 

[gman2]

IIIbuckeyesIII:

ohio state is going to be very, very good next year. to think that they will have oden in the paint to go along with their perimeter shooters is a scary thought. as for this year, ohio state still relies on the 3 a little too much but they have a legit presence inside with dials. the problem is, they don't use him as much as they should. the second half of the iowa game was a perfect example. i think ohio state is good, but they'll be great NEXT year. so anything success they have this year is just icing on the cake, and a prelude of good things to come.

wilson:

sorry to offend you.
whats weird is that people take umbrage with me saying they're overrated
..... yet those same people agree that the mountaineers are capable of winning or losing against any team they face.

i understand they play unselfish basketball.
i understand they epitomize what a team is about

thats all cute and makes for great storylines for american to root for.

but that doesnt mean they aren't capable of losing to a wisconsin-milwaukee, san diego state, or wichita state (or some team like that) very early on.

and excuses for the marshall loss don't fly.
marshall has now beaten them two years in a row as 15 point underdogs. and pittsnoggle guaranteed a win this time around. thats the most embarrassing part about that game.

now having said all that, i will repeat - yet again - what i said before.

west virginia is a good basketball team.
and beilein is a fantastic coach who probably isn't going to be at west virginia much longer.

but as close as they were to getting to the final four last year, they were equally as close to getting bounced by creighton in the first round. so lets keep it all in perspective (as far as the 2005 run goes)

 

[Sun Tzu]

A nice team but Gman is right. Creighton completely gagged or they would have been one and done last year.

I chuckle at the discussion of the Texas game - UT probably played one of their 3 worst games of the year that night and still pulled it out. For such a good 3 point shooting team, they sure seem to struggle at the line when it counts.

With the right draw WVU can be very dangerous. With the wrong draw or any kind of off shooting night thay can lose to a 13 seed without it being much of a shock.

That said, they have a much better shot than say a Gonzaga, which is easily the most overrated team in the country.

 

[blgstocks]

Any team is capable of winning and losing against any team they face. Its a very very low probability that WV will lose to a much worse team. Nobody had even heard of Pittsnogle until last march practically. How are these guys overated when the only thing they have done since anybody has talked about them is win. Oh and lose to very tough schools a few times. (1 game at marshall aside)
And you talk about them being overated that everybody dominates them on the glass and that they are soft in the paint. well NO ONE is hyping them as BEING GOOD ON THE BOARDS or BEING DOMINANT IN THE PAINT. They are saying that they are a great selfless team, that can shoot the rock like no other team, and they are a very dangerous scrappy team that can win alot of games. What about those statements dont you agree with?

If i said Duke is overated and then people on this board overwhelmingly gave me evidence to prove me wrong I wouldnt sit there and keep sounding like im a fool, (which I usually agree with or at least respect your opinion, so im not calling you one) I would say yeah i geuss your right but if they lose im going to make you all eat crow.

 

[gjn23]

That said, they have a much better shot than say a Gonzaga, which is easily the most overrated team in the country.

hold on....is this two things we've agreed on in 2006?

:scared

 

[pt1gard]

tx didnt pull it out, Sun, WV gagged FTs--or least thats another way of assessing verdict

 

[Sun Tzu]

I think I sort of said that referencing West Virginia's free throw woes.

Fact is a true quality team would have beaten Texas by 20+ that night. They were awful.

 

[Hoops]

Gman- Would gladly take West Virginia at PK against GW if they happen to meet in the big dance. I would think that's a fair wager if you are that confident in GW being the more complete/better team.

 

[pt1gard]

and why did TX play so horrible vs WV, did WV style and intelligence have anything to do with it? I watched that game a few times and felt neither team played very well (but thats what happens when you play tough opps), and TX barely won ... anyhow, you are a TX fan so maybe you know more

 

[Sun Tzu]

Have you just decided to get into a pissing match with me regardless of what I post? Been this way for some time and it has gotten tedious. If so I am not interested. You of course are right and of course I am wrong, reagrdless of topic, so no need to try and remind me every time.

Satisfactory?

 

[gman2]

hoops:

thats a fair bet. we'll revisit this subject as the tourney approaches. i do, however, think that george washington could give wvu the same problems that the colonials gave st.joes last week (as joes and wvu are similar teams in style of play and strengths/weaknesses). having said that, im not completely sold on gw either, but i do think theyd get a W over wvu.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Surprised at that GMan.

GW to me will be very ripe to lose their 2nd game.

 

[gman2]

if im interpreting hoops' post correct, its a gw/wvu bet if they happen to play one another. i dont think he meant which team will go further in the tourney. because youre right, gw is going to be "overseeded" and could easily fail on the first weekend as well. but if they somehow were to meet wvu, id grab the colonials.

 

[pt1gard]

Sun, youve jumped into many of my threads, you are a lil paranoid, my friend ... I dont see where I insulted you; if you post something I find fault in from time to time I have exchanged thought (ive hardly had time since november to read your every post) ... I guess if we disgaree you have to be right, thats cool ... and you never listed the five best coaches in CBB I asked long ago, b/c you seem to think they are all idiots

 

[fletcher]

gman did you know why kevin played like shit against pitt, i am sure you don't but he was up 34 hours with his wife who had their child friiday before pitt game he then had to drive to game and played with no slepp, texas habear went in for lay up with .5 secs left he was mugged and even people on tv said it he would of sank both they lost by 1 if he was not mugged i can send you the tape he had easy backdoor cut lay up, lsu hit a 3 with no time left from well beyond nba 3 point land and was a bank to send it into ot, they had 1 bad game marshall look ahead, your nuts calling them over rated name me 1 mac team who would hang with them in fb or hoops, over rated in fb think they beat georgia and out played them whole game, only bad game and it was a qt was against va.tech wvu out played them 2nd half, and they only lose 5 guys out of 44 on both sides of the ball who play major amount of time, they were 6 true fresman starting 18 redshirt fresmen playing and many sophs they won big east when va.tech and miami was there twice.

as for hoops they have 4th best road rec against ranked teams on road in top 25 and top 50 rpi teams. you act like both teams are new to being in top of hoops back in 80's wvu made it almost every year to ncaa and in 96 sweet 16 and made it in the 90's to dance all but 3 years then gayle got old and had 3 bad years, shit don nelon was one of the best college football coaches in the land he got into hall on first time vote, and rich will just get better and better. can't take props away from what a team does, hell they beat bc 18 out of 20 years in fb in 80's, 90.s and 2000's flutie was 0-4 against wvu some of you huys act like they are a new program wvu has alwasy been around and have always been hard to beat at home. check your stats think they are in top 3 in least turnovers avg less then 5 a game and shot over 50% a game and they can score inside as well as outside with their back door cuts bobby knoght said they were one of the hardest teams he every had to coach against, and their deff is unreal face it you just hate wvu just like people in the mac hayed marshall when they came in and made a doormat of all mac teams except for what1 year, the rest of the time they were therre in fb they took the championship. also look at tournovers there deff in hoops creates top 10 again , have to call you basied on this one they kicked ucla's ass in ca, drilled ok one of all time worst beats ever the same way they did in 1983 in football they beat ou worse then any school in history ever did on ou's filed, they had nova on nova's home court from start to finish and beat gt on their home court, sat pitt game had lot to do with a birth of a child and saying pits did not do a good job in texas game well the best big man of texas and some say is their best player was held in check and i think kevin scored dd in game, pitt game you try staying in hospital through of 36 hours of labor with wife with out sleep drive 78 miles game day and play with no sleep and see how well you do, 2 years ago as a fresh he was mvp of us national team well must say something he avged 18 points a game and 11 boards and 4 block shots, trust me they won't go out in round 1 of the dance i have the cash to back any bet you want when match up comes out head to head no lines. wvu is a top 10 team no stars a team that is in the top 5 with how they are coached and excuite and you can't say other wise. and we can put rumors of john going to misso or wake he is at wvu for the long run they pay way more then either scholl can pay him, you have no clue how much he and rich make trust me more then most schools will pay.