Poker in Shreveport last weekend

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Even Stevie Wonder could see that there has been a flare for the dramatic in the General Forum of MJ's over the past week.

17 polls, countless confessions, and and a differing opinion per every post made has led me to making this post.

This is not the Great American Novel, nor the Great American Poker Story that I wish it was. Instead, I will recount my first 2 casino poker tourney's and ask the questions that I feel can make me a better player.

Before I start, I like many before me, have searched for the Poker Grail in attempt to find the magic wisdom that enables us to make the right decisions. There is no Poker Grail, only decisions. And not always right decisions. If I had to define a poker philosophy today it would be, "Make enough right decisions to survive the times you make the wrong decision" Seems simple until you throw tilt into the mix. Pride, can lead people to perform the greatest of all deeds or make the poorest choices in the game of poker/life. The last few days on the forum it seems that the latter has prevailed. Pride plays a big part in these stories. I have popped my cherry in Live Casino MTT action but there is no Fairytale ending.

To prefice: I have been playing online for close to 2 years on an initial deposit of $50. I've been up as high as $800 but now reside in the $400 range. I play no limit, limit, and Omaha Hi-Lo. I've won 2 Mtt's in no limit, 1 in limit and assed out in Hi-Lo. In Stt's, I play no limit (6 and 9 person) and this seems to be my strong suit. Cash games, I play no limit and Hi-Lo. I play low blind cash games and have had a pretty decent run lately.

I have read one book, Brunson's "Super Systems 2" and what I got from the book is, "Common sense is bountiful, Concentration is not." It's a lot like playing golf. I'm decent but lazy. If I could just once play (golf or poker) where I concentrate on every (shot or play) I could be a helluva player. You might laugh if I told you the cursor has been blinking for 10 minutes right here. So much for concentration. Don't worry, I'm not trying to James Frey you, just needed to gather my thoughts.

On to El Dorado hotel and casino, Shreveport Louisianna. Saturday's Tournament is $100 buy in with 1 hour of rebuys. Tourney registration is day of tourney at 9am for the 11am tourney. 6-5 will understand, I awoke after my 5 hour nap, wide awake, like we were going on a hunt. I met my buddy in the casino and we were, #1 and #2 to sign up.

By 11am, there were 36 players and it's time to shuffle up and deal. This was it, poker virgin no more, I was in a tournament with 34 strangers who all ponied up $100 to sit down. I, as I am sure everyone else, noticed the slight tremor in my hand when I took my first swig of the ice cold Bud heavy sitting in front of me. The only problem, the dealer had not dealt yet. I audibly lol'd which must be taboo at the poker table because I had 15 eyes (1 guy was wearing an eye patch) looking at me. I wasn't thirsty any more. Blinds are 25/25.

The hands dealt and I'm on the button. 1st position raises the standard? 16 times the bb followed immediately with a reraise all in to 2k. Fold, Fold, Call,Fold, my turn. Look down at A 10 suited and quickly fold. sb and bb lay down and the hands are turned over. initial raiser had 22, reraise had A4 and caller had A8. So much for thinking that a little higher stake would lead to decent play. The board brings 2 pair, 3's and 5's I believe and we have a split pot with the 2 aces.

The action slows down a bit but I play tight enough that you would think that Dan Harrington got his nickname of "Action" playing at a table with me. It was unbelievable how invisible I wanted to be. About this time we hear announced "Player Down." I look over my shoulder and it's my buddy who walks directly up to me and says, "Dude, I don't want to lose more than a hundred" I thank him for boosting my table presence and move on.

I had folded out of turn twice and spent the majority of the brunch period thinking I was tied to a 500lb weight in the middle of the Pacific ocean. A pot, a pot, my kingdom for a pot. But it get's worse. I'm in the SB with blinds at 50/100. I have 4 chips left, 1k, 100, 2x25's. There are 3 limpers in the hand and me and the BB to act. I look down at my hand and find a suited K 9. I call, at least, I attempt to call. I drop my 100 dollar chip with my right hand and pick up my 25 with my left hand. Only problem, I've got my 1k chip in my left hand. Dealer announces, raise - all in. Then goes on to explain to me in front of the whole group that once my chips cross the line I've initiated a raise. I drop my three chips in and order another beer. One good combatant of nervousness is anger and alcohol. Fold, fold, fold, pause. The guy says, "I've got queen high but I think I've got you." I take a swig, and the tremors are gone. He calls anyway and turns over Q 9. Please no queen. No Queen. Blanks on the flop. The turn brings that evil lady. I reach into my pocket and grab my wallet. Blank. F-Bomb

The Tourney host announces that we are at the break, no rebuys. I pull out 200 hundred for my rebuy and add-on. Sorry sir, no rebuys. Time for a pow-wow with the tourney director. I explain the situation and express to her that I believe I should have the right to both rebuy and add-on. Dramatic pause... Sir, I am going to leave it up to the rest of the table... Needless to say I had not scared many folks that morning and won an 8-0 yeah vote.

Blinds go up and I start out on the button when we return. 35 players left and I'm neck and neck for 35th place. And then it happened. With rebuys over, people started playing real poker. 1st hand folds around to me on the button. I peek at K-7 off, bump standard 3x and the bb calls. Flop brings Ace blank blank. BB bets minimum bet, I raise the pot, he lays down. An hour and 22 minutes later I had raked my first pot. I played some positional poker and even caught some playable hands and found myself steadily climbing.
I catch QQ's in early position, standard raise, call, call, and flop the top set. Check to me, I bet half the pot, call, reraise all in. The call puts me all in, and the guy behind me calls. Both turn over Ace high. AKvAJvQQQ. I win.

I put one more player out while in the BB based on pot odds call and a lucky hit and I find myself as the chip leader at our table. We go around one time and I'm in the BB, blinds are 400/800 with a 50 or 100 ante. An early 1x bump to 1600 folds to me in the BB, I see Slick off and call. Flop brings K 7 2. I check and he bets 2500. I wait and look a few times his way then announce re-raise. He's got ~8k in chips left. I'm stalling, fully aware that I'm going to push all my chips in. This is the point that both of us screw up. He becomes impatient and announces to the dealer, Can I change my bet to all in. Bells and Whistles, Bells and Whistles. I've announced a raise and have to put at least 5k into the pot. F-Bomb... I announce all in, I've got him covered but will be severely crippled if he turns over 77 or 22. He doesn't, Instead he turns over the Grand daddy of them all, A A. Blank Blank. and I'm in trouble. A few hands later I go out in 10th place, 1 seat away from the final table.

That evening I was not much of a conversationalist at the Carribean Stud table. I replayed the whole damn tourney in my head. It's amazing how easy it is to read the skill of a player but not his cards or his play. I kicked myself for folding out of turn and the accidental all in debacle. I did notice that players that peeked early let you know what there intentions were by what they did with their cards. Some held them by the sides just waiting for their turn to fold and others went ahead and protected their cards with a chip. I know that there are more tells to look for but please remember I was a bit green in a live game when I sat down.

I will post the Sunday Tournament, which had a few more players, and I finished better than 10th later.

I hope you enjoyed my first time story. It was a blast and I thought I'd share it with the members here at MJ's.

To become a better player there are 2 question/philosophies I'd like to hear about.

1. What is your mind set when in a loose rebuy tourney?

2. I play a little better aggressive poker in a 6 handed game but a little too tight in a 9/10 handed game. I wanted thoughts on how to improve in 9.10 handed game.

'til then :mj14: :mj14:
 

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yes, thanks for sharing. i made this front page new as well.
 

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Nice read, thanks for sharing.

1. What is your mind set when in a loose rebuy tourney?
Personally, I try not to play a hand until I have paid the BB twice. There are exceptions to every rule. If I had pocket rockets then I would be happy to amend my own rule, but usually the "I'll double up early" idiots have blown their load by two blinds. At the least, you should be able to pick out the buyers and jackals in two turns of the table. Rebuy tourneys have two major phases: Survive and Play.

During the "Survive" portion (also known as the rebuy) I play with an eye towards the clock and pay extra attention to the position of the button. I have found that people typically splash the pot with big bets here with draw hands that can suck a marble though a straw. I play with great caution using position, I have less fear of a slow play here than usual.

During the "Play" portion (after the add-on) the game is completely different. People sit up in their chairs, hats get lowered, and the glasses go on as all players tighten up a bit. The information you have gathered so far is valuable, but must be used only as a vague guide. One must reread the entire table for style, but the tells are usually still present. A slow play here is very valuable. Betting a flush (even if you don't have it) is also a favorite move of mine during the first 3 rounds of play as other have been fishing during the "survive" stage.

2. I play a little better aggressive poker in a 6 handed game but a little too tight in a 9/10 handed game. I wanted thoughts on how to improve in 9.10 handed game.

The more people on the table, the more hands that are dealt. The more hands that are dealt the higher percentage that the "nuts" are present.

I have no problem betting a mid-grade pocket pair and folding to a reraise (especially if there is a caller to the reraise). This has been my saving grace.

Pride is a bitch.

The lay down is underrated.

Treat every hand the same. The idea of "this hand may not come around again" is the death of many poker tourney attempts.

In game pride comes with knowing the bet, time, flow and gameplay. I find a friendly nod to good hands and mild chit-chat gives what hands I have an added level of respect, even if the hands do not deserve it.
 

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Nice story. I do know how you felt to (anticipation). Wide awake to go hunting when you've put a big tom to bed the evening before. Nothing better than that!
 

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I posted this in the poker forum here, butfigured since this thread pertains I would re-post. Very nice read as I will be in Coushatta this weekend playing in first live casino tournament. I was supposed to go two weeks ago, but got postponed.

Ok, Here's the scenario

Playing in NL holdem tournament, and we both have approximately 1400 in chips, blinds are 40 and 80. Neither of us are in blind.

I have kk, and guy raises to 300 in front of me.

I then raise him 700 more to 1000 total.

He goes all-in, and I call.

He turns over aj hearts, and we go to the flop, turn, river, which brings out 2 more aces to give him a set.

Question 1? Was I right by raising, or should I have just called.

Question 2? Was he right by going all-in with his aj suited seeing that I had raised hard, or should he have folded

Question 3? Were we both right, and he just happened to catch the cards, even though he was approximately 33% pre-flop.

Thanks for the input
 

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Wide awake to go hunting when you've put a big tom to bed the evening before. Nothing better than that!

Sixfive..stop thinking about what you did with big tom the night before and you should go right to sleep. :mj07: :mj07:

J/k
 

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bubbas1 said:
Sixfive..stop thinking about what you did with big tom the night before and you should go right to sleep. :mj07: :mj07:

J/k

lol, I knew somebody would quote that and make a joke. Only fair since I've done it so many times.

Doughboy, in your scenario, I think the guy you raised should have folded. imho, I think a q, aj suited, are very nice hands to raise with, but I don't think they are good calling hands when you're about even with the person.
 

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Doughboy said:
I posted this in the poker forum here, butfigured since this thread pertains I would re-post. Very nice read as I will be in Coushatta this weekend playing in first live casino tournament. I was supposed to go two weeks ago, but got postponed.

Ok, Here's the scenario

Playing in NL holdem tournament, and we both have approximately 1400 in chips, blinds are 40 and 80. Neither of us are in blind.

I have kk, and guy raises to 300 in front of me.

I then raise him 700 more to 1000 total.

He goes all-in, and I call.

He turns over aj hearts, and we go to the flop, turn, river, which brings out 2 more aces to give him a set.

Question 1? Was I right by raising, or should I have just called.

Question 2? Was he right by going all-in with his aj suited seeing that I had raised hard, or should he have folded

Question 3? Were we both right, and he just happened to catch the cards, even though he was approximately 33% pre-flop.

Thanks for the input

To answer your questions

Yes u should have raised all in pushed it as hard as u can w/KK.
No he was wrong for calling for being 3 to one dog, he just luckily hit on his 33 percent chance on sucked out on you. Most of the time it won't work that way.
You play it right bro don't let some suck out get in ur head, stick to your game.
 

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Doughboy said:
I posted this in the poker forum here, butfigured since this thread pertains I would re-post. Very nice read as I will be in Coushatta this weekend playing in first live casino tournament. I was supposed to go two weeks ago, but got postponed.

Ok, Here's the scenario

Playing in NL holdem tournament, and we both have approximately 1400 in chips, blinds are 40 and 80. Neither of us are in blind.

I have kk, and guy raises to 300 in front of me.

I then raise him 700 more to 1000 total.

He goes all-in, and I call.

He turns over aj hearts, and we go to the flop, turn, river, which brings out 2 more aces to give him a set.

Question 1? Was I right by raising, or should I have just called.

Question 2? Was he right by going all-in with his aj suited seeing that I had raised hard, or should he have folded

Question 3? Were we both right, and he just happened to catch the cards, even though he was approximately 33% pre-flop.

Thanks for the input
i would have raised the 300 with an all in bet . he will go broke raising all in with aj . a loose or dumb player can get lucky and he did. it has happened to me here in local games. for a 3 month stretch i lost almost every 1000 dollar plus pot i was in when i was at least a 3 to 1 fav.
 

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Doughboy said:
I posted this in the poker forum here, butfigured since this thread pertains I would re-post. Very nice read as I will be in Coushatta this weekend playing in first live casino tournament. I was supposed to go two weeks ago, but got postponed.

Ok, Here's the scenario

Playing in NL holdem tournament, and we both have approximately 1400 in chips, blinds are 40 and 80. Neither of us are in blind.

I have kk, and guy raises to 300 in front of me.

I then raise him 700 more to 1000 total.

He goes all-in, and I call.

He turns over aj hearts, and we go to the flop, turn, river, which brings out 2 more aces to give him a set.

Question 1? Was I right by raising, or should I have just called.

Question 2? Was he right by going all-in with his aj suited seeing that I had raised hard, or should he have folded

Question 3? Were we both right, and he just happened to catch the cards, even though he was approximately 33% pre-flop.

Thanks for the input


what tourney uses a 40/80 blind structure as one of its levels? thats odd right there, but i guess irrelevant.

1. he makes a standard raise to 300 which is 3.5 x big blind. i like your raise personally. you want his call. definitely do NOT call in that spot. if you push, he might lay it down. you don't want that. you want him to call with the worst of it and even as a bonus, he went all in. you got all the money in with the best of it, just got unlucky.

2. he should have folded, so he was wrong to call, but thats little consolation. all you can ever do is get your money in with the best of it and hope. you did, cards just didn't fall your way.



as for original poster, nice read.

gl
 

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Josh thanks for sharing, always interesting to me to hear peoples inner poker thoughts, and I think you were being very honest with them. It is strange to hear that someone has played as much poker as you, and is then playing "live" for the first time. That is just hilarious to me but it is how poker is today. I think you will make a very good player as you apply some dedication and logic to the game, however with a world 90% full of morons, you will have to deal with getting sucked out on PLENTY, just get used to it.

As for rebuy tourneys, I have heard lots of philosophies and have seen them all applied with success. From Negraneu with 27 re-buys (500 a pop) to myself going through an 84 person 25 re-buy and finishing second without ever re-buying. NSXT2 on Paradise Poker, his real name is Todd Arnold, is a re-buy master on-line. He cashes at an incredible rate. He plays insanely loose the first hour as his theory is as long as his fish banks are full of chips he will win them back after the re-buys. I tried that once and got about 300 wrapped up in a 30 re-buy and as soon as the re-buys were over the fukcers moved me so that theory was out the window. My best advice, go against the grain, if its loose play tight and if its tight play loose and steal, steal, steal!!
 
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One thing I notice about poker players is that they have above average memories for cards and hands dealt out.

Damn you guys remember every card turned.

nice read josh
 

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...excellent read, Josh. :) ...and you can tell it was written by a poker player. ;)

I think that the first 3 paragraphs had me hooked right off the bat, but it was the golfer/poker player line that actually made me laugh out loud. Great stuff. ;)


...looking forward to the next episode. :yup
 

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Question

I was playing today. Had k6 in the hole flop came 3k5

I'm betting my kings and get called by one other person.
turn is 2
I bet $2. he raises to $4 and I call
river is 6, I got two pair

i bet $2 and he raises to $4, I call

he had k's and 5's, I have k's and 6's

This is on a 1/2 dollar table.

He calls me a 'suck out' along with some other things.
I just ignored him, but what does 'suck out' mean in poker lingo. I assume it's not good, but what did I do wrong in the betting. :chew: :chew:
 

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Thought you guys would get a kick out of this.

This guy is a friend of mine who I play with from time to time. I always win from him too, because he gets bored and goes to bed early when we play. He did win my little birthday NL holdem tournament my wife put together for my 30th. He only plays a few tournaments a year and just finished 5th in the WPT Jack Binion.


http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tou...php?name=Brian_Lamkin&name_id=11767&year=2006
 

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lawtchan said:
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He calls me a 'suck out' along with some other things.
I just ignored him, but what does 'suck out' mean in poker lingo. I assume it's not good, but what did I do wrong in the betting. :chew: :chew:


A "suck out" is when a good hand (usually starting hand ex:AA) is facing a draw hand (98 suited). The good hand is beaten and therefore "sucked out" (ex: 567 on the flop).

The "AA" would be beaten by the 567"89" straight.

The player you were playing said that his two pair (KK & 55) was sucked out by your weaker KK-6 kicker hand when you hit your 6 on the river.

I don't think this is a suck out, at least not a suck out in the traditional sense.
 
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