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<TT>--and from liberal A.P. none the less--</TT>
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<TT>PROMISES, PROMISES: Pelosi ethics pledge falters


By LARRY MARGASAK (AP) ? 16 hours ago
WASHINGTON ? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi promised four years ago that Democrats would lead "the most honest, most open, most ethical Congress in history."
But as her party defends its record with its majority in jeopardy, two prominent Democrats await ethics trials. Two other party members gave Congressional Black Caucus Foundation scholarships to relatives. Most importantly, lobbyists, corporations and special interests still have unimpeded ways to buy access to members of Congress--
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however they had numerous governors ousted on corruption past 4 years they could have included.

Little wonder Dems are ducking out early before Nov elections--


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I learned more about you KOD in the last 5 mins than I did in the last 18 months, and to think I thought you were only an asshole from ATL :142smilie :toast:

I guess I was wrong :0008

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First off, you continue to play this "right wing potent anger left wing cowering pussywhip" meme at your peril. The left is just as angry as the right - and although you won't admit it, we're well-armed too. And yes, we will rise up and fight. We will burn and kill. And ponder this: We are by and large better educated than you and most of my fellow atheists are on the left. Do you want to face armed, highly educated men who have nothing to lose and no fear of any phony god?

The repigs will not retake the government - that is a lie the right-biased MSM, which is terrified of the neocon / zionist @#$%&! led by Rupert Murdoch, is feeding US just to roil the pot. They too have bought into the above defined meme, and they think they can discourage the left into not voting. They are wrong - it'll have the opposite effect, because we HATE republicans. I was a repub - I moved out when the religious right white trash @#$%&! typified by Palin moved in. I would rather see this nation reduced to a moonscape than ran by them.

If the repigs do steal power they won't have the chance to ruin US again with their Neanderthal policies. We'll take up arms against them. Your revolution won't wait a decade. They are not going to drag US back into the dark ages - and we will not tolerate having their filthy god - or any filthy god - pushed into our government.

As for economic policies, we don't think the government has gone far enough. We don't think Obama went far enough. We think government is the answer.

Here are a few government solution points:

First, the truly wealthy are pathetically undertaxed. We need a 90% tax on any income from any source that exceeds $1,000,000 and much higher taxes on anyone between $100,000 and $1,000,000. They have reaped most of the gains in the last 40 years and by and large have done comparatively nothing to earn it. The system is rigged. Taxation levels the playing field, and will provide income to lower everyone elses' taxes and provide services like education and healthcare for all.

Next, one of the major things wrong with the status quo is there are no death penalty offenses for financial crimes. Madoff should have been executed. So should have been every one of the CEOs and major execs of every one of the large financial corporations which went under or lost large sums of other people's money. Hang them. And while we're at it, the execs of BP should have been hanged too...

Corporatism in general should be drastically curtailed and corporate rights abolished. But the rest of US need to be freed from the regulatory yolk. It is ridiculous to hold ma & pa to the same standard as a mega corporation.

Example: I grow a significant amount of my own food, including eggs and beef. I may occasionally sell a surplus to friends. Someday I might even expand this. But if I do I risk very little and very few. A corporation can risk whole states at once. Yet they insist - and their bought off lackeys in the government insist that "fair" means the same regulations for all. Well, fair is where you go to look at livestock, and anyone with common sense should see the regulation should fit the scope of potential damage. Regulating the little guy to "big" standards just forces them out and gives the big guy more market and control.

Leave US alone. Regulate them right up to their eyes...

Next, globalism has got to go. And stuff your lies about what the Dems did. This goes clear back to the end of WWII and along the way we've been abused by CAFTA, NAFTA, WTO, and every President from Nixon to the shrub. We need protectionist tariffs NOW.

Frankly, I'm glad Bin Laden flattened the WTC. Most of the sheeple have swallowed the lie it was an American symbol. Bunk. It was a symbol of globalism and globalism / multinational corporatism is the enemy. Furthermore the US military - which is far more expensive than we can afford - is a tool of globalism. As far as I'm concerned, they are fair game, and terrorists can fly planes into the pentagon every other day. I'll run the camera.

American medicine costs too much. No kidding? This is partly the result of greedy corporatists and the government lassitude they have bought. But it is also a result of an out of control, for-profit educational system that is screwing the people.

The other day Faux News ran a story about someone who blogged that his $600,000 income wasn't enough. I'd put him in the better dead category except that he mentioned the $250,000 in student loans he and his wife - one a doctor, the other a lawyer - spent on their educations. This is among the greatest corruptions we have created. No one should have to pay for an education. We can spend half a $trillion a year butchering babies around the world but we can't pay for PhDs? Education - all of it you can possibly absorb - should be free for everybody, paid for by the government.

There is only one war that matters in the world today - the war for education. We're losing it because the greedy upperclass and the globalists have pushed the cost of education out of reach for too many. The rich are too selfish to care and the globalists want the US to spend and bleed itself to death protecting their juggernaut. In their eyes, our function is to be the foot on every neck.

I'm in education on the college level. I get American and foreign students, and "they" are so much more prepared to learn that "we" are. Furthermore, we cannot find enough American born teachers with acceptable credentials to do the teaching, so we are hiring more and more foreigners.

I also have huge student loans - I "went back" to school mid-life - and I will never be able to pay them back. Being in the middle of the under $100,000 group I simply don't make enough. And right now, I am seeing a huge influx into the classroom of laid-off midlifers who are borrowing $thousands to try to rebuild their lives. They have no choice. The phony service jobs the globalists conned US into swapping for real work are gone forever - and so are the real jobs, outsourced to the billions of slaves in Asia. Our citizens have to learn new careers or starve.

But even if they get new jobs - far from guaranteed - they won't make enough to pay off those loans. They will be slaves to the bankers.

On this point, I am with the rabid right: Hang the bankers and start over. But they don't go far enough: We should nationalize all banking and insurance activity. There should never again be a dime made privately in either activity.

We don't need less government. If anything, we need more of it. But what we really need is government re-directed. If you are a corporation the richer and more powerful you are the more you should be regulated. The commerce clause should be used to regulate big business - especially multinational business - to the point they can't install a toilet without a regulator watching.

Oh, but they will offshore, they will decamp? No they won't. We won't let them. We'll seize their assets and if necessary jail their execs.

And if the chicoms and the Saud object - if those who have reaped the profits of our being raped don't like it, well, then maybe the military is still has a use. Flatten them while we still can. No more Mr. Nice Uncle Sam.

But if you are a person, the government has no business looking into your body, monitoring your politics, tapping your phone, or policing your morals, marital arrangements, or anything else that doesn't affect other citizens in a palpable and significant way that actually costs society MONEY.

@#$%&! the evangelists. Nothing is more unAmerican than pushing religion.

These are the changes we really need, just for starters. If it takes a war to make it happen, bring it on!
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I kinda like this guy

My assessment would be their courage would be similiar to our liberal element here--yap yap yap-- while shitting in their pants thinking someone might find out their indentity.

--and just thinking of those pinkie panthers :)
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case in point ask --wonder why Scott didn't list author of article-

-here's link

http://www.iguanadons.net/Progressive-Agenda-382.html

here's author--
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--so appears only thing accurate in his assessment was "left wing cowering pussywhip"
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however they had numerous governors ousted on corruption past 4 years they could have included.

Since you're making a point here, I can only recall two democratic governors ousted on corruption, both quite worthy of it. Are there more to add to these two, or are you counting two as being "numerous?" I can't recall any more, and just want to check your commentary.

I think any corruption at these levels is wrong, no matter the party. I do liken this to Republicans/Conservative campaigning on moral issues, and then being found out to be not moral in the least. THIS list IS numerous, as you know. I think for any politician to get to the point they are, they are probably somewhat corrupt, and I think most agree with that - no matter the party.

You do have a point in calling out Pelosi on this, but I don't see how it changes anything, other than making you feel better. Are there a lot of non-conservatives here that are claiming that democrats are overly ethical?
 

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my point is--

--who did the swamp draining rhetoric only to have

-- 3 govs of most liberal states ousted

--and who since has had 3 of their presidential candidates in the headlines for everything from corruption to hiding in mens room from reporters

--and had to postpone corruption hearings of 2 members of congress until after elections.
Reps. Rangel & Waters Will Face Ethics Trials After Election - LAT


Not quite on par with Dems "worst economy since great depression rhetoric"- when dow was 14,000 and unemployment 4.6--but close.

Sure glad they got country headed in right direction --for some. :SIB

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What are the three governors that were "ousted?"

I seem to remember disproving the worst economy comment previously, will have to search for that - again.

And, while I agree the rhetoric is weak and arguable, just trying to get your comments pinned down. You said numerous governors, now your down to three, and I can only think of two - there probably is another one, but I can't think of another. Would question that the number 3 would be considered numerous, but understand where the term "fuzzy math" originated, and know that you subscribe to those theories...

Good to know that you are so concerned with rhetoric not matching reality. That must be very difficult for you backing all of those conservative moralists who CONTINUALLY come up short in their personal lives and prove to be hypocrites. I'll look for you to hold them to a higher standard of commitment from now on, since this behavior seems to SUDDENLY bother you so.
 

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What are the three governors that were "ousted?"

I seem to remember disproving the worst economy comment previously, will have to search for that - again.

And, while I agree the rhetoric is weak and arguable, just trying to get your comments pinned down. You said numerous governors, now your down to three, and I can only think of two - there probably is another one, but I can't think of another. Would question that the number 3 would be considered numerous, but understand where the term "fuzzy math" originated, and know that you subscribe to those theories...

Good to know that you are so concerned with rhetoric not matching reality. That must be very difficult for you backing all of those conservative moralists who CONTINUALLY come up short in their personal lives and prove to be hypocrites. I'll look for you to hold them to a higher standard of commitment from now on, since this behavior seems to SUDDENLY bother you so.

I stand corrected Chad I thought Richardson was ousted also but had it confused his with cabinet appointment--

"New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson has announced he is withdrawing his nomination to be President-elect Barack Obama's Commerce Secretary because of a grand jury investigation into how one of his political donors won a lucrative state contract. "



Ok so we got 2 govenors-3 pres candidates--head of ethics comminttee--ways and means committee--and lost count of those cabinet appointees nixed for tax problems--

So we got Dems gaining control of congress in 06 on themes of draining the swamp--and worst economy since great depression--

You don't find that just a tad--ironic/hypocritical/ or a downright knee slapper. :)



 

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Not quite on par with Dems "worst economy since great depression rhetoric"- when dow was 14,000 and unemployment 4.6--but close.
By my count, that's at least a dozen times you've repeated this lie.

The DOW was at 7949, the unemployment rate was at 7.6% and the economy was in free-fall when Obama took office.

Apparently you subscribe to the theory that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
 

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Apparently you subscribe to the theory that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
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I think he has lived his life subscribing to that

He may have to pay annually to renew it.

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Fair enough, admitting that two is not numerous - that's all I'm asking for is accurate commentary. I've said I think it's hypocritical, and worthy of criticism. Just like HUNDREDS of conservatives that hypocritically campaign on personal conduct and morals each election cycle that do not live up to those lies, which you continue to avoid dealing with. I just get tired of the misrepresentations that are thrown around to try to make points, as we saw here.

And AGAIN, I believe I've pointed out the misrepresentation of your worst economy since great depression rhetoric comment in the other thread, and posted a link to it here. So, until you can admit your comment there was wrong, I'll continue to point out that your repeated comment on this issue...

IS WRONG. PELOSI AND THE DEMS NEVER SAID THAT. No matter how many times you say they did. It's patently false.
 

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Would you believe it if you saw and heard it?

John Kerry 2004
America is still in the worst job recovery since the Great Depression, with 1.9 million private-sector jobs lost in the Bush presidency

video from HIS website-
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0604a.html

November 2006 after unemployment report of 4.4 is released--

Pelosi-

"The President has the worst jobs record since the Great Depression"

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oops almost forgot
Obama after 14 months of unemployment over 9.5--"We are on the right track" :scared


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Would you believe it if you saw and heard it?

Yes, I would believe it if I saw and heard it - OR read it, for that matter. The point is, the links you provide do NOT say that, they both narrowly talk about the jobs record, not the worst economy since the Great Depression.

THAT is my point, and why you continue to be wrong with YOUR rhetoric. No matter how many times you try to prove it - which continually proves you wrong.

But, post more, if you like... :0corn
 

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Yes, I would believe it if I saw and heard it - OR read it, for that matter. The point is, the links you provide do NOT say that, they both narrowly talk about the jobs record, not the worst economy since the Great Depression.

THAT is my point, and why you continue to be wrong with YOUR rhetoric. No matter how many times you try to prove it - which continually proves you wrong.

But, post more, if you like... :0corn
Your splitting hairs--lets compromise

replace my initial economy (with jobs) then answer the questions--

Do you think pelosi's
"worst job record since great depression" after 4.4 job report is not as bad if not worse--for some reason?

You do understand -that you are defending Pelosi for above statement -while at same time chastising me for being incorrect on my assessment-

You really need to ponder that for a while Chad :)
 
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