Putting our people back to work

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I honestly don't think its gonna work either. I think it will help some but i feel that in order to get the economy rolling again is thru building, selling, and furnishing houses and buildings. That is huge for the economy and i don't see how anyone can get it going. Banks are not lending, people are not buying which means nobody is furnishing their houses or buildings. The best way i always thought u could do it is by dropping interest rates but that doesn't even work now. Most can't buy right now.
Man i can remember the day when i use to work for the carpenters unions and said to my buddy that everywhere u turn someone is building something and someday this has to slowdown. I mean literally u couldn't drive 100 yards without seeing some type of structure going up. If these interest rates start climbing for some reason kurby

I think the problem was the first bailout. We should have let the banks fail. Another bank, a stronger bank, would move in and buy the assests. As for the automakers.... who cares. Let them go out of business. Why are we giving them more money to build more cars that nobody wants to buy. Again, let them go out of business. If there is a need for cars someone will move in and buy the building and hire the workers and hopefully build cars that people would actually buy.

Another thing, these so called forign cars. Most are being made in the US by US workers. So why are their workers any less important than the big three?

On to Obamas thing. I agree with putting people to work fixing the roads and bridges and everything Bush ignored. If these people, that were layed off from other industries, get work they will once again be paying taxes and buying stuff. That should trickle up and then the "Producers" can start producing things again and hiring these people back.

I know I am not dazzeling you with figures but in simple terms that is my semi-coherent take on this mess we find ourselves in.

A drop in intrest rates and getting the Health Care System under control will do more than any tax cut to help the middle class.


So that's my spiel. But make no mistake about it. This is exactly what bin Laden had in mind for us on 911.
 

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I would think an Insurance Man could figure out who the middle class was. You post so many useless figures. Oh well, let me try to give you a clue.

Take me for example. I work in a building with about 100 other people. People in the building are making anywere from about $20,000 to $100,000 a year. As far as I know we all pay taxes. I know I fall somewhere in the between of that and I pay taxes. My guess is that we are the middle class.

I am not really sure who those are that don't pay taxes. Last time I was laid off they even take taxes out of that. Yes you can have it deferred but you still have to declare it as income.

I hope that clears things up for you.

Now as for welfare and food stamps I would guess that because of the une,ployment cause by Bush's Recession, those roles will grow.

But hey, don't worry, McCain says the fundamentals are good!

government employees don't count--they are part of problem-- ;)
ie redistribution of wealth from tax payors to big gov and getto dwellers

still waiting for definition of middle class--
 

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government employees don't count--they are part of problem-- ;)
ie redistribution of wealth from tax payors to big gov and getto dwellers

still waiting for definition of middle class--

I guess you can't read.

Funny, you had no problem when Bush was redistributing wealth from the middle class to the wealthy for 8 years.
 
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I guess you can't read.

Funny, you had no problem when Bush was redistributing wealth from the middle class to the wealthy for 8 years.

Why is this Stevie? It is like these guys use welfare people to avoid this argument u present. Like they link us to welfare people as if we are happy they are getting welfare :shrug: Stranges thing i ever saw. White Collar crime is just fine with them. Regulation and rules are bad. Funny how crooks also hate regulations and rules. Maybe we are debating a bunch of crooks? How could u think capitalism and deregulations is fine when u have crooks abusing them left and right? What are a few rules here and there gonna hurt? Crooks hate rules. Sure it sucks for the honest guy who is starting a business as well as most honest guys but when u have these crooks u have to do it. Not sure some of these guys know there are actually crooks in the country. I remember arguing with Weasel about the surveilance program. He was all for it but doesn't think it would be possible that some shitbag would abuse it for self gain. I said im okay with it if u add the death penalty on it for anyone caught abusing it. Sure enuf these fukers got caught abusing it when they should have been looking for terrorist. This is what crooks with an agenda and no rules do. Imagine how nice the nation would be if we had laws like this. This is what happens to crooks like ours when they pull their shit in China.

Two sentenced to death over China milk scandal

By Karl Malakunas
Agence France-Presse
January 22, 2009 09:57pm

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A CHINESE court has sentenced two men to death and gave stiff jail terms to 10 others over a milk scandal that led to widespread poisoning of babies in China and dairy recalls around the world.
The former head of the dairy firm at the heart of the scandal, Tian Wenhua, a 66-year-old woman accused of initially covering it up, was among three people jailed for life.

One other person was given a suspended death penalty, a sentence that routinely gets commuted to life in jail, while six were imprisoned for terms ranging from five to 15 years.

In all, 21 people have gone on trial in recent weeks for their involvement in making or selling the contaminated milk that last year killed at least six babies and left 294,000 others ill with kidney and urinary tract problems.

The government immediately sought to portray the verdicts as proof of its efforts to ensure China's food was safe, and that justice had been served, but victims' relatives accused authorities of holding show trials.

"They got the penalty they deserved, but I feel sorry about this whole affair," Liu Donglin, the father of a sickened baby, said outside the court in northern China where the verdicts were delivered.





"I think they are scapegoats. The milk producers' association and the people in charge of checking the milk should also be punished."

The two men given the death penalty were found guilty of endangering public security by adding the industrial chemical melamine into the milk and then selling it on to middle men.

The melamine, normally used to make plastics, was added into watered-down milk to give it the appearance of higher protein content.

Sanlu Group, formerly headed by Tian, was the first and biggest dairy producer found to have sold dairy products laced with melamine.

In all, 22 firms were found to have sold tainted milk.

After the verdicts were announced, the government said it was making great efforts to improve not only its milk industry, but all its food products, following numerous safety scandals in recent years.
"The Chinese government authorities have been paying great attention to food safety and product quality," foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said.

"China is strictly handling the Sanlu case by law. After the case broke out, the Chinese government strengthened rules and regulations and took a lot of other measures to strengthen regulations and monitor food safety."

Aside from killing and sickening babies in China, the scandal led to contaminated Chinese dairy products being pulled off shelves around the world.

It was another major blow to the "Made-in-China" reputation that has suffered in recent years amid safety scandals over a wide range of exports, from toys to pet food and dumplings.

In its efforts to ease concerns domestically, the government last month ordered the 22 Chinese dairy firms to pay $US160 million ($A241.04 million) in compensation to the families of babies that died or fell ill.

However the families and their lawyers have criticised the sum as woefully inadequate, with some parents of sick children not being given any money at all and others receiving just $US300 ($A452).

Over 200 families last week filed a suit with the Supreme Court, seeking more compensation.

"They haven't given me any compensation. They haven't even recognised that my child died because of melamine," said Chang Lin, a farmer from Chongqing in southwest China whose 18-month-old son died in August, said.
 

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You tend to be very critical of my opinions. Where are your opinions? All I see you do in this particular forum is bitch, bitch, and bitch about both sides?

The tax and spend a complete joke? That's what this admin is all about which bothers me so much. The best economic approach is low tax and low spend; reducing government spending to lower the tax burden. You ever been to a communist country, or better yet a former communist country. I have been to the Czech Republic and Russia which were both a communist country at one point. Most (not all) of the older people don't do shit and think the government should take care of them. You know who are the most successful people in these former communist countries? Young people who are smart, innovative, and who have the drive and means to succeed. The "older people" attitude of these countries is very similar to some of the people here. The big difference is that it is not just the older people here, it's the younger one's too that think they should be taken care of. Oh "yay", Obama got elected and now the gov't is going to pay my bills!!! Let's tax and spend and have more social programs that give more money to the people. Let's make sure that everyone can get into as big of a house as they want regardless of income, or else we'll come down hard on the banks (This may not be Obama's current plan, but it sure as hell was Clinton's). I could go on, and on, and on.

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Jon: I was critical of your dismissal and have asked you to back it up. You haven't done so, so I'll just assume you are incapable. Flippant comments might cut it for you, but it simply doesn't work for me.

Where are my opinions? All over the forum. Here's a quick sample: I think the two party system is a failure of the democratic process, the bank and auto bailouts are awful ideas, and I think religion is a farce.

I read that you have taken your ball and gone home, but I hope you are willing to stop back in to talk about "tax and spend". Since you are so critical of that concept, I asked how it should work in your eyes, but you won't answer. Listening to Rush and Hannity might help you stock up on Republican catchphrases, but you haven't learned to argue for or against them.

Since all I hear is Tax and Spend as if it is bad, but don't hear any real reasoning behind why, I'll give you my take. When I hear people trash the concept of Tax and Spend, it makes me think that you are criticizing an idea like "make money then spend money". I can't fathom what your alternative is, so I asked you what it should be. You really shouldn't spend what you don't have, so you should not put spend before taxing. I like to think of myself as a logical thinker, so your declaration that Tax and Spend is bad makes no sense to me.

Don't take my posts as attacks, because they're not. I was trying to spark some debate (in my own special way).....since we rarely have that anymore. It's either BS comments or a 10 page article posted by Wayne the Thread Killer.

-Gary
 

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When I hear people trash the concept of Tax and Spend, it makes me think that you are criticizing an idea like "make money then spend money".

I disagree with this logic because it is not similar. Governments don't "make" money; they "take" it.

I am 100% for paying taxes. It is my responsibility for all of the good my country provides for me (military protection, providing those who CAN'T provide for themselves, overall law & order). But the government now has taken it way too far.

I do think Tax & Spend is better than the Print & Spend method that we have been doing for decades, but it is not what is needed to help our current economic situation recover.

:box2:

:142smilie
 

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I disagree with this logic because it is not similar. Governments don't "make" money; they "take" it.

I am 100% for paying taxes. It is my responsibility for all of the good my country provides for me (military protection, providing those who CAN'T provide for themselves, overall law & order). But the government now has taken it way too far.

I do think Tax & Spend is better than the Print & Spend method that we have been doing for decades, but it is not what is needed to help our current economic situation recover.

:box2:

:142smilie

Whether they take it or they earn it, it is still income....and you can't spend until you have income.
 

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Whether they take it or they earn it, it is still income....and you can't spend until you have income.

Is it also "income" when they just go print more bills?

(BTW, I'm merely being a smart ass with these continuation)
 

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It's either BS comments or a 10 page article posted by Wayne the Thread Killer.

-Gary

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:142smilie :142smilie

thats fawking classic one there

I never read his articles or links , I learned the hard way DTB dont either. so wtf :shrug:
 
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