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Nice nice nice. I know i know righties u rather see this money going over to that shit hole in the middle east but i like it better to see it going to our very own people. Wow has Obama acted quickly on this

No Argument About Stimulus Dollars As These States Get the Shovels Out

By Colby Itkowitz / CQ Politics

Less than a week after President Obama signed the economic stimulus bill into law, some states are moving quickly to take advantage of transportation funding.

Missouri had construction crews working on a bridge replacement within minutes of Obama signing the bill (PL 111-5).

Iowa awarded contracts Feb. 20 on 19 projects ranging from bridge replacements to resurfacing roads worth $56.6 million.

In Utah, transportation officials solicited bids for six highway repavement projects. Contracts will be awarded in early March, said Nile Easton, a spokesman for the state's department of transportation.

"Every Tuesday and Thursday for the next six to eight weeks we'll advertise chunks of projects," Easton said. He said all of the projects will be awarded contracts by late spring and the state's entire list will be completed by the end of the calendar year.

Supporters of the $787.2 billion legislation (PL 111-5) banked on quick action when making the case for transportation spending as an economic stimulant. The Congressional Budget Office, however, was dubious that states could use the money quickly, and opponents still are skeptical how soon the $27.5 billion for highways and bridges will be put to use.

Pennsylvania's Transportation Department is working with metropolitan and rural planning groups to finalize its list of projects. While department spokesman Rich Kirkpatrick couldn't say when the first contracts would be awarded, he said mandated deadlines would be met.

"We want to do it right, but speed is a huge priority," Kirkpatrick said. "There was no way this DOT or any DOT was going to drop the ball on this. The stakes were too high."

The stimulus law requires states to begin obligating the first 50 percent of its highway money within 120 days from Feb. 17 or those dollars will be redistributed. That means states have until mid-June to begin using that money.

In Nebraska, the first seven stimulus projects are to begin in late March. Mary Jo Oie, spokeswoman for the state transportation department, said more projects will be awarded each month.

The same is true in North Carolina, where the requisite 50 percent of its highway funds will be spent in June with the first group of projects awarded in the beginning of April, said state Department of Transportation spokeswoman Nicole Burris.

In Utah, Easton said, the road surfaces are in poor condition, but the repairs had been at the back of the priority line. "This is a shot in the arm for us to take care of a lot of these types of projects," he said.

Some states are looking past the 120-day mark just in case more money becomes available.

Julie Oaks, spokeswoman for the Tennessee State Department of Transportation, said all of that state's stimulus money for roads and bridges will be used by the end of June.

"We are trying to position ourselves that if there are states not able to use their funds that we'll be able to pick some of theirs up," she said. "We have more [projects] ready to go than we have funds available at this point."

Speaking to a room of state transportation officials on Monday, House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee chairman James L. Oberstar , D-Minn., said how the states handle the stimulus money would determine how seriously transportation needs are taken in future legislation.

"You know you can deliver," he told the state officials. "And I'm counting on you to do it."
 

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Wow 57 cops got to keep their jobs. Nice nice because of the stimulus bills. I know righties i know. You were hoping these people could be laid off so somehow u might have been able to swoop in and buy their foreclosed house. Making money from the misery of others a great Republican platform.

February 25th, 2009 9:50 am
Stimulus Money Starts Stimulating

By Michael Grabell / ProPublica

A crumbling 1933 bridge over the Osage River in central Missouri. A 79-mile electrical line along the Columbia River in Oregon. The repaving of Route 101 from Exeter to Epping near the New Hampshire coast.

These are some of the first projects that will be funded with the $787 billion economic stimulus plan, signed into law last week by President Barack Obama.

Starting Wednesday, money will start going out to the states in the form of Medicaid payments, the White House said Monday. (Here's a breakdown.) And in anticipation of more than $100 billion in transportation and infrastructure funding, states are beginning to bid projects and put shovels in the ground.

On Monday, New York released its first projects, which could be put to bid as early as next week -- a series of upstate bridges in Steuben, Oneida and Onondaga counties. Michigan, which has the highest unemployment in the country, has released a 1,200-page wish list containing about 16,000 potential projects.

Meanwhile, in a speech on the city budget, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak said the stimulus money would help him avoid laying off 57 police officers.

CQ Today has a nice wrap-up of what's going on in other states.
 

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That's nice.

The results of this stimulus bill will not be seen for years to come if it does work. That's a big if too. Also, if you think the Economy will see immediate results from the stimulus bill you are plain naive.

I think Gardenweasel's swimming pool analogy was a very accurate one.

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That's nice.

The results of this stimulus bill will not be seen for years to come if it does work. That's a big if too. Also, if you think the Economy will see immediate results from the stimulus bill you are plain naive.

I think Gardenweasel's swimming pool analogy was a very accurate one.

kneifl

Let me teach u about real economics der kneify and not the trickle down economics u vote for time and time again which never work i might add. U put money in these peoples pockets they spend it. They go for lunch and spend it in a restaurant. They might by a few things for their home. They might redo a kitchen and buy a fridge, a dishwasher, and oven etc.., This is how u stimulate an economy. Now the store owner has money and he spends it somewhere or he uses it for his payroll who then spend it again. I know that u think giving huge tax breaks to the top one percent and then they are gonna create jobs with it which has now shown to be a utter failure over and over again is the system u like but like i said it doesn't work. The middle class are the ones who create jobs because of their spending which forces store owners to hire help. Seems simple but when guys like u who vote for people who start wars because they want to pad their buddies wallets and u are to ignorant to realize it, then i don't know how i can help u. Maybe Jabber can.
 

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Let me teach u about real economics der kneify and not the trickle down economics u vote for time and time again which never work i might add. U put money in these peoples pockets they spend it. They go for lunch and spend it in a restaurant. They might by a few things for their home. They might redo a kitchen and buy a fridge, a dishwasher, and oven etc.., This is how u stimulate an economy. Now the store owner has money and he spends it somewhere or he uses it for his payroll who then spend it again. I know that u think giving huge tax breaks to the top one percent and then they are gonna create jobs with it which has now shown to be a utter failure over and over again is the system u like but like i said it doesn't work. The middle class are the ones who create jobs because of their spending which forces store owners to hire help. Seems simple but when guys like u who vote for people who start wars because they want to pad their buddies wallets and u are to ignorant to realize it, then i don't know how i can help u. Maybe Jabber can.

Please, teach me more:142lmao: :142lmao: :142lmao:

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Let me teach u about real economics der kneify and not the trickle down economics u vote for time and time again which never work i might add. U put money in these peoples pockets they spend it. They go for lunch and spend it in a restaurant. They might by a few things for their home. They might redo a kitchen and buy a fridge, a dishwasher, and oven etc.., This is how u stimulate an economy. Now the store owner has money and he spends it somewhere or he uses it for his payroll who then spend it again. I know that u think giving huge tax breaks to the top one percent and then they are gonna create jobs with it which has now shown to be a utter failure over and over again is the system u like but like i said it doesn't work. The middle class are the ones who create jobs because of their spending which forces store owners to hire help. Seems simple but when guys like u who vote for people who start wars because they want to pad their buddies wallets and u are to ignorant to realize it, then i don't know how i can help u. Maybe Jabber can.

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Please, teach me more:142lmao: :142lmao: :142lmao:

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What part do you disagree with? All he is saying is that putting money in the hands of middle class people is good for the economy because they will put it right back into the economy. The trickle down theory is nothing but a rich man's ploy.
 

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I know i know righties u rather see this money going...

Actually, I'd rather see the government get their hands out of my mother fucking pocket.

But I'm not sure if I'm in the "righties" group that was called out. :)
 

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What part do you disagree with? All he is saying is that putting money in the hands of middle class people is good for the economy because they will put it right back into the economy.

But when you take $1 in taxes, wash it through all of the BS pork, and it spits out a nice, shiny dime to the working middle class to spend - how is that helping the economy in a sustainable way.

I'm not arguing for anything the Republicans have done, either.

Just saying that this plan is a bunch of shit because politicians will be a huge vacuum to a good portion of the money between taxpayer to the new jobs they have "created".
 

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What part do you disagree with? All he is saying is that putting money in the hands of middle class people is good for the economy because they will put it right back into the economy. The trickle down theory is nothing but a rich man's ploy.

I disagree with all of it. Yes, putting money in the hands of middle class people is good for the economy. But, lets tax the hell out of those same middle class people while we're doing it:142smilie Sure, that will work. Why don't we tax, tax, tax and spend, spend, spend - do you think that will help the economy? That's the plan of the current admin. Let's see if it will work, or maybe we'll have a new pres in 4 years. Hmm, I dunno...

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I disagree with all of it. Yes, putting money in the hands of middle class people is good for the economy. But, lets tax the hell out of those same middle class people while we're doing it:142smilie Sure, that will work. Why don't we tax, tax, tax and spend, spend, spend - do you think that will help the economy? That's the plan of the current admin. Let's see if it will work, or maybe we'll have a new pres in 4 years. Hmm, I dunno...

kneifl

Please elaborate on taxing the hell out of the middle class. I think you are stuck in DTB mode.
 

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But when you take $1 in taxes, wash it through all of the BS pork, and it spits out a nice, shiny dime to the working middle class to spend - how is that helping the economy in a sustainable way.

I'm not arguing for anything the Republicans have done, either.

Just saying that this plan is a bunch of shit because politicians will be a huge vacuum to a good portion of the money between taxpayer to the new jobs they have "created".

I'm not a Stimulus Package or a Bailout guy, J. I just got put off by Kniefl's dismissal. I really don't care to see someone who claims to be highly trained in a field of study (economics) make a half assed response to a legitimate thought.
 

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I'm not a Stimulus Package or a Bailout guy, J. I just got put off by Kniefl's dismissal. I really don't care to see someone who claims to be highly trained in a field of study (economics) make a half assed response to a legitimate thought.

Can I get by with half asses responses because I am very upfront about not understanding economics?

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Actually, I'd rather see the government get their hands out of my mother fucking pocket.

But I'm not sure if I'm in the "righties" group that was called out. :)

no u are a righties lite. u don't have a party either. I don't enjoy paying taxes either but after getting beat down by spending the last eight years and getting nothing in return at least this spending is a little easier to swallow. Sometimes pork is a good thing when it is going for the right things. Jindal tried to make a joke about one spending part of the bill. The one about monoriting this certain volcano. I was with him and said what the fuk is this crap. Then i hear scientist are very worried about this certain volcano and if we had this same gps type system on mount St Helen around 70 people would not of died. Jindal tried to make a joke about it but when u dig deeper it makes some sense. I hear them talking about 4 billion going to Acorn. When you dig deeper u find that this is a flat out blatant lie. this is a 800 dollar spending bill and they are picking 1 percent of the bill and running with it like they usually do with most things and then they get monkeys who wont dig deeper into what they are saying and just parrot it like DTB. Nobody is talking about the 2500 tax break for a child education. that is ten grand in four years. That is a tax cut and a nice one. 95 percent of the people are getting a tax cut but if u hear the Republicans talk about it u would think everbody's taxes are going up.
 

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no u are a righties lite. u don't have a party either. I don't enjoy paying taxes either but after getting beat down by spending the last eight years and getting nothing in return at least this spending is a little easier to swallow. Sometimes pork is a good thing when it is going for the right things. Jindal tried to make a joke about one spending part of the bill. The one about monoriting this certain volcano. I was with him and said what the fuk is this crap. Then i hear scientist are very worried about this certain volcano and if we had this same gps type system on mount St Helen around 70 people would not of died. Jindal tried to make a joke about it but when u dig deeper it makes some sense. I hear them talking about 4 billion going to Acorn. When you dig deeper u find that this is a flat out blatant lie. this is a 800 dollar spending bill and they are picking 1 percent of the bill and running with it like they usually do with most things and then they get monkeys who wont dig deeper into what they are saying and just parrot it like DTB. Nobody is talking about the 2500 tax break for a child education. that is ten grand in four years. That is a tax cut and a nice one. 95 percent of the people are getting a tax cut but if u hear the Republicans talk about it u would think everbody's taxes are going up.

Spending should be nitpicked, in my opinion.

I don't necessarily agree with the targeting of everything proposed by the other party (another reason to hate our current two parties), but we should be nitpicking the hell out of this thing.

Governments, for the most part, don't create revenue. So if they are going to add this much more spending, it has to be from taxes.

Maybe the middle class will be spared today, but if spending at these rates continue (Bush was terrible at this; Clinton wasn't as bad but had the advantage of a false bubble market economy as well) then ALL - middle class included - will be paying for it in generations to come.

We have to put a stop to the government frivilous spending to fix the problem. More taxes, no matter the tax bracket you target, is not the fix.

We need smaller government which I define as a more fiscally responsible government that doesn't feel they are the answer because they are NOT.
 

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Half assed response? Whatever....

My response was spot on. You dems think the rich are the only ones who will be taxed at a higher rate. I got news for you, it's eventually (in this admin) going to be across the board for working people. Also, let's get to the ways some of this bailout/stimulus package will be spent: Volcano monitoring and a "magnetic levitation" train route from Las Vegas to Disneyland.

I totally understand the dem's perspective that Volcano monitoring is a MUST for our current economic crisis. Also, what will we do without a "magnetic levitation" train route from Las Vegas to Disneyland. I mean that's just another MUST for the economic well being of this country.

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what will we do without a "magnetic levitation" train route from Las Vegas to Disneyland. I mean that's just another MUST for the economic well being.

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i'd MUCH rather spend my money building cool shit like that than bombing Iraqis.:00hour

Admit it - you'll be the first one raving about your train ride and hocking your unused mag-lev passes on this very site.;)
 

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i'd MUCH rather spend my money building cool shit like that than bombing Iraqis.:00hour

Admit it - you'll be the first one raving about your train ride and hocking your unused mag-lev passes on this very site.;)

Let's cut that defense budget, right? Just until we have another attack, right?

As for the second part, sorry no kids yet and I'm not a big fan of Disneyland.

Don't worry Smurph, you're still my Vegas drinking buddy regardless of politics:D

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