No doubt. I heard Martha Washington was on the take, which is why she forgot how to sew that day
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No doubt. I heard Martha Washington was on the take, which is why she forgot how to sew that day
Double Two,
Dont you think Obama needs as much black support to help overcome the people who will not vote for him because of his race/skin color/funny sounding name.
And, I am not casting aspirations at you alleged conservatives here. There are plenty of people in the democratic party that wont vote for him because of his skin color (trust me, I know a few of them. And, no they are not all from Boston. Zinger!), and that number will likely increase in the general election.
Bottom line is the black people voting for him merely because of skin color probably cancels out the white people who wont vote for him because of his skin color. The numbers you tout are brought up by both the conservatives in the press and Hillary's camp in a pathetic attempt to avoid issues and discredit him. Funny how they never even touch upon the fact the thousands upon thousands will never vote for him due to his ethnicity.
Oh, and my friend.....one of these days I am going to write a long post dispelling this liberal media bias you keep clinging to. Do you have over a decade experience in the journalism business? I do, and I can tell you its as much of a myth as anything else in our political process. Quick example, do you realize in the post world war II era, only twice have a majority of U.S. newspapers endorsed the democratic nominee for president? Also, you talk about "liberals" Matthews and Russert, but you fail to point out or even recognize the slurp job they constantly give Johnny Mac (not to mention the other R candidates. Remember Matthews said he would vote for Thompson because he smelled like a president should smell or their inability to ever question any of Rudy's credentials. Why was Edwards price of a haircut a major story, yet Romney makeup costs barely registered a blip). But, getting back to McCain......why do these "liberals" hammer Barry-O for Wright and the "bitter" commentary, but dont even sneeze at McCain's jubiliation towards the Hagee endorsement or when he says Americans are short sighted for worrying about having to press the english button on ATM machines or that we as a population aren't willing to work jobs that the illegals do even if they paid $25 bucks an hour. Sounds pretty elitist to me. He practically got booed off a stage when he said, yet he is portrayed as the maverick, straight talking express guy.
Please. Both he and Barry O are the media darlings right now. The media does not care about reporting stories, but they do care about being friendly and cozy with whomever is in power. McCain is seen as the favorite in their eyes because of the bickering Dems, and he has gotten as much of a free pass as anyone.
And please remember this comes from someone who has never been a democrat in his life. I actually dislike both parties. A lot. But, I do know the media. It is hardly liberal. If anything, it has a bias towards the sensationalistic stories (which is why they would rather talk about verbal gaffes as opposed to policy and budget reporting) and is more paparazzi these days than true watchdogs of the government on behalf of the people. Sadly, I feel they have betrayed us as much as our politicians.
Also, I have worked for three newspaper companies. All of my bosses were in the republican party.
On a personal note between us, tough loss on the stinking Jays last night. I was on them as well. Let's get the next big dog play! :weed:
Oh, and, I was just kidding with that Boston comment. Sorry if anyone took offense.
Dont you think Obama needs as much black support to help overcome the people who will not vote for him because of his race/skin color/funny sounding name.
And, I am not casting aspirations at you alleged conservatives here. There are plenty of people in the democratic party that wont vote for him because of his skin color (trust me, I know a few of them. And, no they are not all from Boston. Zinger!), and that number will likely increase in the general election.
Bottom line is the black people voting for him merely because of skin color probably cancels out the white people who wont vote for him because of his skin color. The numbers you tout are brought up by both the conservatives in the press and Hillary's camp in a pathetic attempt to avoid issues and discredit him. Funny how they never even touch upon the fact the thousands upon thousands will never vote for him due to his ethnicity.
Oh, and my friend.....one of these days I am going to write a long post dispelling this liberal media bias you keep clinging to. Do you have over a decade experience in the journalism business? I do, and I can tell you its as much of a myth as anything else in our political process. Quick example, do you realize in the post world war II era, only twice have a majority of U.S. newspapers endorsed the democratic nominee for president? Also, you talk about "liberals" Matthews and Russert, but you fail to point out or even recognize the slurp job they constantly give Johnny Mac (not to mention the other R candidates. Remember Matthews said he would vote for Thompson because he smelled like a president should smell or their inability to ever question any of Rudy's credentials. Why was Edwards price of a haircut a major story, yet Romney makeup costs barely registered a blip). But, getting back to McCain......why do these "liberals" hammer Barry-O for Wright and the "bitter" commentary, but dont even sneeze at McCain's jubiliation towards the Hagee endorsement or when he says Americans are short sighted for worrying about having to press the english button on ATM machines or that we as a population aren't willing to work jobs that the illegals do even if they paid $25 bucks an hour. Sounds pretty elitist to me. He practically got booed off a stage when he said, yet he is portrayed as the maverick, straight talking express guy.
Please. Both he and Barry O are the media darlings right now. The media does not care about reporting stories, but they do care about being friendly and cozy with whomever is in power. McCain is seen as the favorite in their eyes because of the bickering Dems, and he has gotten as much of a free pass as anyone.
And please remember this comes from someone who has never been a democrat in his life. I actually dislike both parties. A lot. But, I do know the media. It is hardly liberal. If anything, it has a bias towards the sensationalistic stories (which is why they would rather talk about verbal gaffes as opposed to policy and budget reporting) and is more paparazzi these days than true watchdogs of the government on behalf of the people. Sadly, I feel they have betrayed us as much as our politicians.
Also, I have worked for three newspaper companies. All of my bosses were in the republican party.
On a personal note between us, tough loss on the stinking Jays last night. I was on them as well. Let's get the next big dog play! :weed:
Oh, and, I was just kidding with that Boston comment. Sorry if anyone took offense.
No doubt. I heard Martha Washington was on the take, which is why she forgot how to sew that day
Luckily, I had Betsy Ross and the points! :00hour
Ill let you know when i figure out the gay marriage saga. Someone once said symbols are for simpletons. I did just throw out a brand new flag poll today still in the wrapper someone left here. Took me about two months to throw it out. Actually i saw a guy pull up and grab it so it lives to play another day.
50 years ago one of this years candidates for the White House would have been turned away from any movie theater in Washington DC and the other 2 are old and wrinkly. That being said, they are replacing a War Criminal with crimes against humanity. There is not much of a choice.
Gabillions of dollars are being spent on an ungrateful nation who have parades for Iran's leader announced weeks in advance when the leaders of the US have to sneak in the middle of the night like cockroaches surrounded by helicopters and guards.
Clinton will Nuke Iran if they attack the Zionists and yet Iran must give up its Nuclear research. The Zionists pay an Ameriican to steal Military secrets and yet nothing other than the American being arrested is said about it. Go figure.
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Gabillions of dollars are being spent on an ungrateful nation who have parades for Iran's leader announced weeks in advance when the leaders of the US have to sneak in the middle of the night like cockroaches surrounded by helicopters and guards.
Clinton will Nuke Iran if they attack the Zionists and yet Iran must give up its Nuclear research. The Zionists pay an Ameriican to steal Military secrets and yet nothing other than the American being arrested is said about it. Go figure.
Amazingly peaceful thread-
Sad indeed. And, its the reason I feel as long as his VP selection is strong, McCain is a shoe-in over Obama. I would give the ol' fella only a slight edge over Shrillary in electibility .
Really, isn't this all ****ed. We are all ****ed no matter who we choose. I lean toward the democrats most years, but I voted for Tommy Thompson (Rep) for governor of Wisconsin and he was good. Now I think I will vote for either Obama or Clinton over the Republicans. Just because of Bush and his bullshit.
Of course Obama is going to get the black vote. Did anyone expect anything different? I think whoever gets the democratic nominee is in Big trouble. I told my mom that I wouldn't vote for Hilary over Obama, She asked why, I am honest, I told her that I wouldn't vote for a woman. She was pist. I asked her why she wouldn't vote for Obama and she said because he was black. I asked her what was the difference between what she said and what I said? Does this mean I am a shovenist coming from a racist womb??? Back to my point, the dems will lose votes to racists and shoenists alike.
Of course Obama is going to get the black vote. Did anyone expect anything different? I think whoever gets the democratic nominee is in Big trouble. I told my mom that I wouldn't vote for Hilary over Obama, She asked why, I am honest, I told her that I wouldn't vote for a woman. She was pist. I asked her why she wouldn't vote for Obama and she said because he was black. I asked her what was the difference between what she said and what I said? Does this mean I am a shovenist coming from a racist womb??? Back to my point, the dems will lose votes to racists and shoenists alike.
fyp and put in what you really wanted to you focking idiot.
Double Two, you simple minded prejudiced white man :mj07: I think this is an interesting post. I don't see the 98% number anywhere, but I have seen numbers similar to what smurphy posted.
Sponge and his ilk are always posting about Karl Rove. I can't say I have ever laid eyes on that person, nor do I care. I rarely watch the news, and I'm on record here several times saying that I think all of these presidential candidates suck, and this is by far the worst lot ever in the history of presidential elections.
I get to vote next month in our primary, and Hillary will get my vote (registered Democrat). Sponge will say I am doing that because of Rush (who I can't stand and never listen to), but in reality, I came to that conclusion all on my own, and I figure it's the only way to give Obama a no vote. Obama is a glorified motivational speaker. He is certainly not qualified to lead our country; too bad the other 2 aren't either...
Guess me and u are just both dumb southern hicks though? :shrug: good luck here in liberal land madjacks political forum.
thanks for the candid post. I agree with the dems being in big trouble. There is lots of turmoil, and I think that's only going to get worse. Personally, I have no trouble voting for a non-caucasion man or a woman. These two, however, are both poor choices for me personally.
My dad was telling me that he saw some stats about the democratic party and the division. 25% of the Hillary supporters will not vote at all if she doesn't get the nomination. Obama supporters are about the same. Others will vote for McCain if their candidate doesn't get the nomination.
When are you gonna stand up and be a man and take blame for this abortion you voted for?
I don't believe these numbers will hold up in the general election. Most bad blood will be mended ...hell, this doesn't even approach the vileness Dubya perpetrated on McCain in 2000, yet it was still all cozy with the GOP by general election time. Add to that the 10% effect of Rush Limbaugh's 'Operation Chaos' and I don't think most of these exit poll numbers are indicative of how things will go in November.
Smurph this is the kind of stuff going on now in NC. The dems will have no shot until they get dirty like these pigs. There dragging out the Willy Horton adds early. Gop and the 527 ads aka swift boating has come out early.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IcnYWGSSE
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Thank you for your response Toledo Prophet. You make some very good and well thought out points and although we disagree, I respect the way you presented them. Let us save our agrument on the media as we see it for another day and stay on point. Raised this question in order to point out the way certain groups are viewed in this election by some Americans and some in the media. It is a simple fact that almost all(98% last night) black voters are going to vote for Obama for one reason and one reason only. Believe me, it is not for his policies or his platform. Should we not condemn them for being closed-minded and place them in the same catagory with the white people who will not vote for Obama because he is black? Seems to me both groups show bias in their own way which in my opinion is wrong. However, the way these groups are precieved by some in the media and elsewhere is quite different. Can't you see the hypocrisy by whose who consider that one group is voting for Obama with their "Non-Racial" hearts and the other group is voting against him because they are "Racist"?
Hope I made my point clear and even if you do not agree with it, thanks again for your honest reply. Have a nice evening and Best of Luck with your selections in the bases tonight!!!!DT
Hope I made my point clear and even if you do not agree with it, thanks again for your honest reply. Have a nice evening and Best of Luck with your selections in the bases tonight!!!!
DT
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Appreciate your calling my post interesting and recognizing the point I was trying to make SixFive. Some in this forum take what I say and spin it into views that may suit them but were unintentional on my part. Thanks also for wishing me good luck when I post my opinions in this forum. I did not realize what a "Den of Liberals" I was jumping into but I'm a big boy and can take the heat. Have only been posting here for about a month and even in disagreement, I find most here are thoughtful, well spoken individuals who believe in their views. I have nothing but respect for them. Just hope that I am able to hold my own when debating intellectual heavyweights like Sponge!
Thanks again for the reply and have a nice evening!!!DT
Thanks again for the reply and have a nice evening!!!DT
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I guess I have more of a problem voting for a woman.. I really don't know why? I know that there are many smart women, but there is just something about it.. Maybe it is just her. She kind of makes me gag when I look at her. I think she is a bitch and I probably won't vote unless Obama gets the nod. I am caucasian.
I just don't get how republicans can just back Bush and blame the Democrats for all the country's problems. What have been the republican's big topics?
War and Defense.. We see how that is going? They underestimated that from the start.
Gay Marriage.. I am not gay but seriously I don't care who the hell you marry. If my sister was gay I wouldn't care if she married another woman.
Anti abortion.. Again. I feel people should mind their own business. Who the hell am I to tell someone he/she can ahave an abortion or not.. although I believe the abortion should be done in a timely manner.
And all this talk about the CNBC and CNN being all for the Dems. Fox is brutally for the repulblicans and what about all these conservative radio shows that they shove down our throats down the AM dial. Seriously do Rush or Hannedy let anyone else talk? Screw em all.
I just don't get how republicans can just back Bush and blame the Democrats for all the country's problems. What have been the republican's big topics?
War and Defense.. We see how that is going? They underestimated that from the start.
Gay Marriage.. I am not gay but seriously I don't care who the hell you marry. If my sister was gay I wouldn't care if she married another woman.
Anti abortion.. Again. I feel people should mind their own business. Who the hell am I to tell someone he/she can ahave an abortion or not.. although I believe the abortion should be done in a timely manner.
And all this talk about the CNBC and CNN being all for the Dems. Fox is brutally for the repulblicans and what about all these conservative radio shows that they shove down our throats down the AM dial. Seriously do Rush or Hannedy let anyone else talk? Screw em all.
hold my own when debating intellectual heavyweights like Sponge!
When my thoughts are in line with a lawyer on this site who also can spot a con job a million miles away and your thoughts are in line with Six Five who could possible be the most gullible poster in the history of sports post site, do i need to say more?
Please have mercy and don't say anymore Sponge. It's getting late and past my bedtime. Good Night!!
It's getting late and past my bedtime. Good Night!! Thank you for your response Toledo Prophet. You make some very good and well thought out points and although we disagree, I respect the way you presented them. Let us save our agrument on the media as we see it for another day and stay on point. Raised this question in order to point out the way certain groups are viewed in this election by some Americans and some in the media. It is a simple fact that almost all(98% last night) black voters are going to vote for Obama for one reason and one reason only. Believe me, it is not for his policies or his platform. Should we not condemn them for being closed-minded and place them in the same catagory with the white people who will not vote for Obama because he is black? Seems to me both groups show bias in their own way which in my opinion is wrong. However, the way these groups are precieved by some in the media and elsewhere is quite different. Can't you see the hypocrisy by whose who consider that one group is voting for Obama with their "Non-Racial" hearts and the other group is voting against him because they are "Racist"?
Hope I made my point clear and even if you do not agree with it, thanks again for your honest reply. Have a nice evening and Best of Luck with your selections in the bases tonight!!!!
Actually, I think you are comparing apples to oranges. The whites and others who wont vote for Obama because he is black, are going out of their way to cast a, for the lack of a better term, an anti-black vote. I am not sure you can say the same about the blacks voting for Barry-O. Its just not that clear it is an anti-white vote. They've voted for white candidates before, almost exclusively, you could argue, considering white men have really been the only choice in our history on the presidential ballot box.
Given how heavy african americans trend towards the democratic party, I think it is a little absurd to say he is only winning because of black voters based on that number you cited alone. He is bringing in a ton of new voters, but I am curious as to what the breakdown of that is demographically. If that trends super heavy with blacks, then maybe your point gains some credibility. A bunch of new voters. All black. All voting for the black guy. Whats up with that!?!?! But, I do not think the numbers support that. He appears to bringing in people from all over the place and has trounced Hillary in states where the black population is minimal.
I really think the above thoughts you have outlined is an attempt to discredit the types of voters he is getting. Not only does it discount his success in very white states throughout the process, but it is a pretty typical line of attack from republicans/conservatives. For years, they have demonized people who vote for democrats. In my virtually all-white, investor class circle, i get mutliple emails during the course of the year detailing just how ghetto the typical democrat voter is. It is complete bullchit with very maniupated and massaged numbers, like a lot of those mass emails. Now, Dems have started to catch on to the tactic in this decade with back handed comments about the evangelical base of the republicans. Funny thing is, the Dems made great strides in 2006 by not pandering as much to the hate talk that dominates politcs and actually went out into red and/or evangelical districts and reached out. Of course, Hillary was not part of that victory since she and the DLC thought it was stupid strategy. Thats been her biggest problem this campaign, the fact that a lot in her own party do not like her or trust her motvies, not the fact that Barry-O is black.
You say there is no way in hell they could be voting for him because of his platforms. I think you can say it does not matter who you are voting for, you are doing it not based on the specifics of actual platforms. Neither McCain, nor Hillary have really outlined any platform either. And, really all we have in this country from an electorate standpoint is one-sided people who would never vote for the other party. As an independent, I just dont get party politics. We know what they say they all stand for, but the record reflects something much different. We would be better off if everyone told the R's and the D's to shove it, we're taking over now! In fact, lets storm the friggin' castle gates right effing now!
So, who is with me!!!! :00hour
Anyway, we will have that media discussion some other time. But, I will echo 6/5's thoughts. The TV media blows. Yes, there is plenty of smiles and eye candy, and they do a good job of reading the news, but basically our media has really become nothing more than a quasi government mouthpiece. That is when they're not discussing the latest Brittany bombshell.
Otherwise, it is late for me too. Gotta go. Catch you in the bases forum! :weed:
