Question for the serious golfers here...

[lay the wood2]

i agree with beantown jim, to the average golfer the ball isnt going to do shite.....the way your group plays by just throwing a ball down, i dont think you should start harping on the ball type.

ltw2
handicap:3

 

[Penguinfan]

To clarify, we let you drop one as a means of keeping the groups moving ONLY if everyone in the group agrees the ball was not out of bounds or in a hazard, just lost due to high grass or under a leaf, or some other jackoff in another group picks it up when out of your view, etc... I think this is a reasonable approach to the rules, I mean if you hit a shot straight down the middle of a blind fairway and before you get there someone playing the hole next to yours picks up your ball should you be penalized strole and distance when the entire foursome knows your ball was down the middle? I haven't seen anyone get carried away with the bending of that rule, so I am good with it.

I am kinda caught in the middle of what BTJ says and what 6-5 says, longer distance off the tee makes for an easier second shot, but so what if you can't pull it off anyway? Maybe I'll ask him if I can try one of his juiced up golf balls this week, just so he knows I am on to him and let it go at that.

Penguinfan

 

[Agent 0659]

You're right, he didnt say they were high handicappers. I guess I just sort of gathered that through the thread. They are easier to putt because they are smaller. They are illegal for a reason. Good players dont play them because they are illegal. Not because they wouldnt. Sorry too hear about your back, hope you can play again some day. Or do you? Lets set it up, I will take 2 a side from Dogs for a little wager. How much and where?

 

[Agent 0659]

Bump...Hello 6-5???

 

[lay the wood2]

Lost Ball is Stroke and Distance, Always has been and always will be
those are the rules, and unless you dont have any kind of golfing conscience when you attest the card and log it into the USGA for your Handicap, by all means drop away then.
If you are familiar with the course, there is no penalty, to the best of my knowledge, of hitting a provisional ball.
Good luck and keep hitting them straight.
I do agree though that you are at the mercy of the hackers out on the course when it comes to holes running up alongside close to one another. It is very frustrating and there is no worse feeling than walking back to the tee box when you know damn well that you should be in that fairway 275 yards out there; and at the same time looking over at the next fairway and seeing the chops play army golf, left right across the fairways.....enough to get my blood boiling, but in respect to the game i always walk back to the tips.

i also agree with Agent that good players simply wont play this ball for the simple fact that it is illegal and against the rules. It can almost be compared to using a club with too long a shaft or wedges with illegal groovings on the face. The amount that these factors would help an average golfer, much less one in the lower single digit handicap range, is negligible.

keep an eye out for those hacks like 2much
ltw2

 

[2muchchalk]

agreed, I am a very bad hacker, but my game has went slowly downhill with all the "has been" hardball leagues. I need to take some time off with my hardball swing and stop rolling my wrist over.

 

[Penguinfan]

Lost Ball is Stroke and Distance, Always has been and always will be
those are the rules, and unless you dont have any kind of golfing conscience when you attest the card and log it into the USGA for your Handicap, by all means drop away then.

Yea, I get it, but I honestly think we keep the integrity of the rule and don't penalize people for hitting a good shot and just getting bad luck in the process, the rule modification was actually my suggestion, I got it from a Golf Digest article I read maybe 10 years ago called "The Reasonable Mans Rules Of Golf" it was printed just after the Craig Stadler fiasco where he certainly did break the letter of the law by kneeling on that towel, but he really didn't gain any kind of advantage whatsoever, same theory applies here I think, remember we only allow you to drop one if everyone in the group agrees the ball was nowhere near out of bounds or a hazard, so no advantage is gained. A provisional ball wouldn't be hit simply because you had no idea the ball would not be found because of too many leaves, high rough or a thief.

Penguinfan

 

[dawgball]

pf--your group is in no way tearing down the integrity of the game. PGA tour events make considerations for lift, clean, and place when the course deems it worthy. As long as everyone is playing on fair ground and the rules are stated clearly and understood by the group, then it is fair game. It's just like anytime someone says "pick it up". In a friendly round of golf, the main reason you do that is to speed up play.

We also are not playing on PGA courses, so we decide before playing whether or not we are going to play the ball down or roll. Due to the quality of greenskeeper, players, and general respect for the course; we roll the ball in the fairway if it is in a huge divot but do not roll the ball if you are not in the fairway.

I played with a group a few weeks ago that allow you to have a putting ball seperate from your other ball. Their reasoning was that we don't have a caddy there to clean our ball off very well, so they do this once again to speed up play. The two balls must be of the same make.

Just a couple of local rules that I have seen and don't have a problem with.

dawgball
handicap: 16

 

[Agent 0659]

Dawg,
I love the rule of a putting ball to speed up play. :clap: At least some people out there are trying to do it right. By that I mean this new surge of golfers in the last few years has been annoying. No one knows the rules or etiquette of the game. :cursin: I dont have a problem with Penguins group playing that rule, as long as it its applied equally. Not that they need my approval, just offering my commentary. Good luck!

 

[MadJack]

Wish I was still in my golf playing shape, I would like to play you although I couldn't bet 500 across. Not that deep. I'll put up a stake on Dogs That Bark against you, however, and u can play with whatever u want. GL!

careful there, sixfive. i've played with both and if they both played on a neutral course i wouldn't risk any of my money betting against either guy. a 5 handicapper wouldn't have a shot vs either of these guys in a serious match.

i'd love to set something up where we could all play and see but no bet from me.

next spring at otter creek. DTB said he'd be coming up for a round or 3 next year after i'm all moved in.

 

[dawgball]

Jack--Don't count me out now! My scrappin' ass will be there!

 

[lay the wood2]

pf--your group is in no way tearing down the integrity of the game. PGA tour events make considerations for lift, clean, and place when the course deems it worthy. As long as everyone is playing on fair ground and the rules are stated clearly and understood by the group, then it is fair game. It's just like anytime someone says "pick it up". In a friendly round of golf, the main reason you do that is to speed up play.

Dawg- To the best of my knowledge i dont remember any instance on the PGATour where the players were allowed to drop a ball in the middle of the fairway if other players agreed. I can see it now: (Tiger) "Hey Phil, Ernie, you guys both saw my ball rest in the middle of the fairway off the tee. Instead of walking back, do you guys mind if i play the "leaf rule" and just drop one up" (Phil) "No problem Tiger, I won't tell anyone that its completely against the rules. (Ernie) "Sure Tiger, let me give you a ball"

And by the way that rule about playing two different balls could honestly be worse than the "ball drop". How long does it honestly take to clean off a ball if you have a wet towel on your bag?

keep it straight

 

[kosar]

Why would anybody really care what somebody else does with his friends and what 'house rules' they come up with?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

the thing about the condor is they are easily recognozed and have seen lots of people try an use them on drives then change balls as 6-5 noted especially in scrambles and especially on longest drive holes.Pinnacle use to make a version of what was referred to as British ball which is same size as condor but hard to recognize. Have aquaintance that slides them in un-noticed on occasion.

Looking forward to next year Jack--Brother Dawg can stop in BG and we can go up together from here. Agent sounds a little tough to me are you sure we couldn't import Cousin Eddie from Cincy instead

 

[dawgball]

Actually, ltw2, I did not state that the players have to agree to it, but the PGA officials have made decisions in the past to allow lift, clean, and place due to unfair playing conditions (too much water).

pf's situation, IMO, is an extension of this. They are their own governing body since they are just playing with friends.

You must remember that it is still a GAME.

I compare it to a pick-up basketball game. When my friends and I are playing someone is not allowed to pick the ball up and run across the court, but every nit-picky foul and carry is not called. We're not professionals and we understand that.

If I were to play with you, then full PGA rules would apply. I don't mind that, and I actually feel like I play better when this is the case (my score may be worse, but I feel I am in a better mind state). But if the group that I am playing with has certain rules that they use, then I don't see the big deal in obliging.

Just my take.

 

[SixFive]

Why would anybody really care what somebody else does with his friends and what 'house rules' they come up with?

I agree my moderate friend.

 

[kosar]

It's 'centrist', my good man. Centrist.

 

[lay the wood2]

6-5

You can always say that, why would i care, but this has an impact on the integrity of the game of golf, the integrity of the USGA rules and for those who are playing in the group........Everyone on the course has the right to play in a manner in which they see is fair to the rest of the competition in their respective group, with that said though, im just wondering do you play with pink balls or hit from the senior tees as well?

ltw2

 

[dawgball]

but this has an impact on the integrity of the game of golf, the integrity of the USGA rules and for those who are playing in the group

no. it does not. you are taking the GAME too seriously. no one in this thread is talking about integrity. Integrity is in question when you roll the ball when your opponents or playing mates stated that the group is playing it down.

On the pink ball. I posed the question the other day as to how long it will be before a PGA player uses a colored ball again. Who was it that won a tournament (I think) with an orange ball. That was some funny shit.

 

[SixFive]

6-5

You can always say that, why would i care, but this has an impact on the integrity of the game of golf, the integrity of the USGA rules and for those who are playing in the group........Everyone on the course has the right to play in a manner in which they see is fair to the rest of the competition in their respective group, with that said though, im just wondering do you play with pink balls or hit from the senior tees as well?

ltw2

Ummm, I didn't say it, kosar the centrist did :142lmao: Anyway, I think home course rules are fine among buddies, and I didn't like to play with anybody who is going to break those rules, and I didn't. I have no great respect really for the USGA either as I think it is an elitist society yesterday, today, and forever. Your pink ball and senior tees question is rhetorical I'm sure, but it makes no sense.