quick infinity question....

[TJBELL]

I agree!

Just because they have rule #19, let's not bash this book!

They really do a lot of things right, except for the rule above!

At least they were willing to sponsor some contests.

A friend of mine swears by this book.

Make your plays and if you want a buyback or middle, go to book #2. Just my 2 cents.

 

[MadJack]

not to keep running on and on about this but....

another reason for the contest is to give people incentive to support the sponsors of this site.

we really do need people to support our advertisers or we wouldn't be here. a lot of people appreciate the site and like the site enough to support the sponsors without any incentive but some people need extra incentives, thus the contests.

these 2 sponsors we're talking about here are ones that put up 30K each in prize money. that's A LOT and more than i've seen elsewhere. what's wrong with the sponsor getting a shot at some of our money? we as gamblers are going to bet it somewhere anyway. why not post it up with a book that offers a contest with generous prize money?

if you don't like the rules and don't like contests, so what? like i said, you're going to give it to another book anyway. it's still your money (the initial post up) to gamble with as you please. if you want a shot at the prize money, you have to roll it over. what's the big deal? i guess some people post up, bet it, and move out, but to qualify for the prize money, these books are looking for loyal players that play with the money instead of taking bonuses and pulling out. nothing in this world is free but at least you have a shot of getting more bang for your buck with contests like these. no?

i just don't understand the negative bashing. the rules were posted before the contest and it wasn't and isn't a scam to get your money. you actually have a better shot and it's a better bonus should you wind up in the money. hell, there were some sharp players in that contest that have been around the block many times. they aren't stupid. these contests were fair and generous from the sponsoring books, plain and simple.

if you have a better plan that is fair for both players and books, let's hear it. that's what the forum is for, but to look at only the negatives about the sponsoring books is total bullshit and unfair to them. all books, good and better can be picked apart too.

geez

 

[MadJack]

all i'm saying is, you can't have it all with a particular book. all books have negatives.

i'm primarily a credit player but that didn't stop me from playing the contests because those books don't offer credit play to me.

pinnacle doesn't offer reduced juice to credit players and phone players so i post up with them and bet online. what a pain in the ass that is. not!

olympics props juice is ridiculous, so i don't play props there. actually, i usually don't play props anyway but that's besides the point. people play the props there because they offer many more than other books do. so they pay the f'in juice.

wsex doesn't offer bonuses. so what? i don't NEED a bonus anyway. none of the credit shops offer bonuses to credit players. big deal? not to me anyway.

just a few examples above. i could have gone on and on.

different books have different rules so get yourself 5-10 outs and you CAN have your cake and eat it too. play with one or two and i can give you some negatives.

but bashing these 2 books that offered a nice contest is still total bullshit.

thanks

 

[acehistr8]

Jack, if you think the way Infinity advertises itself and touts how great it is to play parlays at their book, the best book for parlays and has the best parlay odds right on THEIR FRONT PAGE (without bothering to point out that if you read the fine print you will find this to be 110% *not true*) if you think that is fair and not at all dishonest, then I apologize and will never again post a bad word about a sponsor. OK? But if you are going to tell your customers, "Home of the worlds highest parlay odds" you at the *very least* need to point out that these odds are subject to playing picks at -110 or less. What is wrong with asking sponsors to at least abide by some truth in advertising? Is it my fault for not reading the fine print? Yes, I want to admit that right up front - it was my fault and I learned my lesson and havent been back in two years. But when a book advertises itself as having the worlds highest parlay odds and touts itself as the best for parlays, I dont count on their being a half dozen types of restrictions and caps on what I can actually DO with those parlays. Highest odds, shouldnt mean, highest odds with restrictions and read the fine print.

By the way, I should point out I mentioned how great their customer service was about 6 times.

But christ I'm sick and tired of people posting negative opinions about sponsors and being accused of bashing. yyz and bj all had valid points. The line between being critical of a sponsor and being accused of bashing is getting awfully freaking thin around here. Especially given all the cash we DO put into sponsors all along running the risk of a sponsor going out of business, with our money in tow, overnight.

I voted with my wallet this year by only doing one contest and will next year do none. I still put plenty of cash into sponsors of this site, so I dont feel bad about it in the least.

 

[MadJack]

But christ I'm sick and tired of people posting negative opinions about sponsors and being accused of bashing. yyz and bj all had valid points. The line between being critical of a sponsor and being accused of bashing is getting awfully freaking thin around here.

WTF are you talking about? There you go again accusing me of saying something I didn't say!

The paragraph where I mentioned "negative bashing" was discussing the contest rules, nothing else. The contest and contest rules are mine and I will defend it. Not saying I am right but I will have my say as well, if that's okay with you.

The line between being critical of a sponsor and being accused of bashing is getting awfully freaking thin around here

Bullshit! Again, I was speaking of the contest rules, nothing else. When people post a negative about a sponsor around here, I NEVER acccuse them of bashing. I may try to help them with their complaint, I might try to give a rational explanation of their complaint, I might try to get the book to respond to the complaint, I might get them help in resolving the complaint, but I do not accuse them of negative bashing, so WTF are you talking about?

"getting awfully freaking thin around here"
Gimme a fuhking break!

Other forums just delete the negatives about their sponsors or the site and I never do that either.

:moon:

 

[yyz]

I didn't enter the contests this year because of the rules. I knew full well what they were, and am not contending they didn't mention those rules. (By looking at my last post, it might seem like I intoned Infinity didn't let entrants know about rolling over the prize.)

I think it is a very weak argument to say, "If you didn't play, you have no say." How do you fix something, if you don't listen to the unsatisfied people? Jack, were you not a little surprised by the lack of interest in the contests? Don't quote me, but I am pretty sure the numbers in the NFL contest were lower this year, and I would guess it was about the same in the NCAA.:shrug:

That should tell you something.


dawgball said:


"I just think that the amount of the prize is determined based on the fact that it will need to be rolled over. It is not a cash prize. It's simple. If it were a cash prize, they would not offer such a huge chunk."


Well, that seems to be cloaked under the same smoke and mirror tactic that Ace and I have mentioned. Make the prize "appear" to be bigger than it is. Sure.....you might roll $15,000 into $50,000. If you do, yippee for you! Or, you might bat .500 like most people do, and give them back a nice $3000 in juice. Is it whinning on my part? Maybe.....I guess it depends on where you stand. I didn't come in here and campain against this book. I could have went in the sign up thread for the contest, and raised Holy Hell. I didn't, because A) it wasn't my place, and B) I try to respect your business, Jack. That being said, my "business" is my money, and I have to look after it.

I am not the type of player who has 5-10 outs. I don't have that kind of cash to put out there. I doubt that most of us do. I have a couple at any given time, and more often than not........just the current one I am using at that time. I am not a bonus whore, either. I want the ability to send you my money, make a bet, and run. Same as if I walked into a casino.

Jack, I don't need a contest to support your sponsors, I need a fair shake. Of course, we don't all share the same ideas on that, either. When Infinity hosed me on that baseball parlay two years ago, they were done! The deeper I looked into their outfit, the faster I ran away!

I know you feel a need to defend them, as they pay the bills. That's fine. I think their tactics are a joke, Ace thinks so, and there are probably many more of us. When it come right down to it, every one of these "rules" that have been brought up ring of one sentiment from Infinity:

"Your money is ours, now."


Jack wrote:

"....but to look at only the negatives about the sponsoring books is total bullshit and unfair to them. all books, good and better can be picked apart too."


Unfair? I think it is unfair to have the old "bait and switch" routine run on my ass, too! I can only speak ill of Infinity, because that's the only experience I had with them!


But, to make these guys look like "swell fallas" because they sponsor a contest? That's advertising for them for 17 weeks! That's 70-80 people at $500 a pop sending them cash. How many of those people cashed out? I would guess far less than 50% How many people doubled their investment, or made more? I am guessing very few. So, Infinity got their worth outta this deal. They didn't run to the Cosa Nostra for a quickie loan to cover the damages of this contest.

I'm sorry for stepping on toes over this, but I won't change my view on this outfit.

Jack, I've always felt you to be fair, and that still goes. I just think you are caught in the middle on this.

 

[acehistr8]

I want to point out I dont have a huge beef with the contest rules, they point them out, they want play and a rollover - I think its excessive, but they are up front about it to some extent.

My beef is their false advertising Jack. Its flat out deceptive on Infinitys part theres no two ways about it. If you dont want to post your opinion on it because of your relationship with them, I respect that as a business owner. But many other books have the same caps and parlay rules, they dont go around lording themselves as the home of the best parlay odds and best book for parlays. Its lying.

My apologies Jack, the reason I said that is you mentioned negative sponsor bashing a few times where it was not apparent you were talking about contest bashing. The fact is people who maybe did not do the contest this year have in years past and didnt this year for specific reasons. I would ask you not flatly shut those folks out of commenting on the contest sponsors. And also, my suggestion right up top was for us as users to put pressure on other sponsors that may have better rules to be sponsors. I wanted us to be part of the solution, otherwise next year I will be doing no contests at all, which isnt very fun.

 

[MadJack]

yyz, some good points by you and everybody else, including ace too

ace, i'll look closer at their parlay rules that you and yyz talk about and offer my opinion at that time too.

i'll have to address this more specifically when i get back on the 9th. i have vegas to get ready for tonight and don't have time to address you now.

i appreciate all opinions, positive and negative as long as they have merit.

there were less people in the NFL contest this year (not much less) and more in the NCAA contest, but i didn't promote them for as long as i have in previous years.

time to get ready for 6 days of warm vegas air and fun times.

see you friday, yyz.