Ravens pass on a chance to draft Bryant

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Ravens trade out of NFL Draft's first round
General manager Newsome acquires three picks from Denver, looks ahead to second and third rounds

By Jamison Hensley

The Baltimore Sun

12:38 AM EDT, April 23, 2010

The Ravens cashed in on Tim Tebow in the NFL draft.

Knowing the Denver Broncos wanted the heralded Florida quarterback, the Ravens got everything that they wanted from them, trading their first-round pick (25th overall) for selections in the second round (43rd overall), third round (70th) and fourth round (114th).

Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome chose to pass on top-20 talents like nose tackle Dan Williams and cornerback Kyle Wilson, saying there are still players available that he would have selected with his first round pick. Potential second-round targets for the Ravens include: Alabama nose tackle Terrence Cody, Arizona tight end Rob Gronkowski and Virginia defensive back Chris Cook.

"Draft picks are a little bit like currency," Ravens director of player personnel Eric DeCosta said. "We have more money now to pick. We're excited, but there is a little bit of uneasiness because we don't know who we're going to get. I thought I was going to be able to sleep tonight knowing who our first-round pick was." Moving out of the first round for the first time in team history took some salesmanship from general manager Ozzie Newsome.

He talked to the three teams with multiple picks in the second round (Denver, New England and Tampa Bay) two weeks ago. On Wednesday, he had a "serious conversation" with the Broncos and then received their first offer Thursday morning.

Newsome then waited during the draft to call back Denver and asked the Broncos if they could improve on their offer. And they did. "We sat there and the offer got better," Newsome said. "I guess they had their mind set on getting their quarterback."

The offer was so tantalizing that Newsome said he wouldn't have passed on it even if Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant, the top-ranked wide receiver in the draft, had fallen to the Ravens. The Dallas Cowboys traded up to No. 24, one spot ahead of the Ravens.

"As it stands right now, that offer was so good that if Dez Bryant doesn't get picked and makes it to us, we probably would have still made the trade," Newsome said. "We had a chance to move up to that spot to get Dez Bryant and we decided against it."

By trading back ? which represented the seventh trade in the first round -- the Ravens watched such possible targets as Tennessee nose tackle Dan Williams (26th to Arizona), Rutgers cornerback Devin McCourty (27th to New England), Penn State defensive lineman Jared Odrick (28th to Miami), Boise State cornerback Kyle Wilson (29th to New York Jets) and TCU pass rusher Jerry Hughes (31st to Indianapolis) get drafted.

"There are certainly some guys that we really like," DeCosta said. "Otherwise, we would have probably stayed there and picked. It wasn't that hard of a decision based on the players available."

He added, "Our scouts and coaches are very excited. We see [Friday] as a tremendous opportunity for this organization to get better."

The Ravens entered the draft with only two selections in the first round rounds because of the Boldin trade (the Ravens sent Arizona their third- and fourth-round picks in exchange for Boldin and a fifth-rounder).

But trading out of the first round allowed the Ravens to get better picks in the third and fourth rounds than the ones they traded to get Boldin.

After the trade with Denver, the Ravens talked to the Indianapolis Colts (31st overall) and New Orleans Saints (32nd) to move back into the first round. It is believed that the Ravens also spoke with Minnesota (30th).

"We did make some calls, but all three of those teams chose to pick," Newsome said.

Before the Ravens moved out of the first round, they watched the rest of the AFC North get stronger in the first NFL prime-time draft.

The Cleveland Browns drafted Florida cornerback Joe Haden with the seventh overall pick. The Pittsburgh Steelers chose Florida center Maurkice Pouncey at No. 18. And the Cincinnati Bengals selected Oklahoma tight end Jermaine Gresham at No. 21.

On Friday, it will be the Ravens' turn to improve with three picks (two in the second round and one in the third). But Newsome said the Ravens have already had one call from a team wanting to move up to their first pick in the second round.

"Now, I'm going to be up all night again, waiting until 6 p.m. [Friday]," DeCosta said. "From that standpoint, the new format makes it a little frustrating. As Ozzie said, let's just call the commissioner and let's keep this thing going. We're fired up."

jamison.hensley@baltsun.com

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translation:..."jones snookered us...we f-cked up"...:00x25

Is that what you really got from the article?

The offer they got from the Broncos was unreal and they were short picks this year and with it being a deep draft they have been looking at ways to add picks.

Also it seems like Cody was their main target from the start and Dez was on the radar but not who they were going to go with.
 

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Is that what you really got from the article?

The offer they got from the Broncos was unreal and they were short picks this year and with it being a deep draft they have been looking at ways to add picks.

Also it seems like Cody was their main target from the start and Dez was on the radar but not who they were going to go with.

cody?...he`ll probably eat himself out of the league...

they had to say that...couldn`t very well say "jones stole our money and ate our lunch"...

i found it interesting that jerry jones made that move prior to the ravens pick..i think the consensus was that the ravens would jump at the chance to take a top 5-10 player at 25....ozzie always said that they draft the best player available..and all the draft mavens said that bryant was a steal at 24/25...

personally,i think that statement was a c.y.a. expalnation as to why they failed to steal bryant that late in the draft...

i`ve always preferred quality over quantity.. we`ll have to wait and see how it shakes out...

my gut is we passed on a future pro bowler...a guy with the potential to be an absolute force for dallas...

theres very good chance that we get nothing in the draft that will impact the team this year..
 

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I posted early in the draft that they were targeting Cody but you are going to believe whatever you want anyway.

By far the Ravens got the best value for the draft pick but you can not see past Dez Bryant.

Over the years the ravens have done an unreal job with the draft I am going to side with Ozzie and not you on this one.

And if Bryant was some slam dunk once a decade player why did he last all the way to pick 24?

They trade pick #25 for picks 43 + 70 +114 who does not like that?

Another way to look at it

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Boldin trade:
Lose 3rd Round (88th overall) for 150 pts.
Lose 4th Round (123rd overall) for 49 pts.
Gain 5th Round (157th overall) for 29.6 pts.
Net Loss = 169.40 Pts

Denver trade:
Lose 1st Round (25th overall) for 720 pts.
Gain 2nd Round (43rd overall) for 470 pts.
Gain 3rd Round (70th overall) for 240 pts.
Gain 4th Round (114th overall) for 66 pts.
Net Gain = 56 pts

Total Net Loss = 113.40

So they get Boldin and all they basically lose is their first fourth round pick for him. They recognized this is an extremely deep draft and were able to get back most of the picks they gave up for Boldin.

But then of course you are right and Ozzie has no idea of what he is doing. :shrug:
 

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after considering everything that went down,i have concluded that the bryant misstep wasn`t a misstep....

it was all about money....the ravens are paying dearly for boldin...and they incorrectly threw enormous amounts of money away on heap(shot) and suggs(may be thee most overrated player in the nfl)....

so,even if they took bryant at 24,he`s still gonna command more than slot 24 money.....

so,they decided the hell with all that grief....they didn`t want to compound the heap/suggs robbery by actually having to pay a budding superstar big bucks.......

they just couldn`t afford a talent like bryant...
 

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Is that what you really got from the article?

The offer they got from the Broncos was unreal and they were short picks this year and with it being a deep draft they have been looking at ways to add picks.

Also it seems like Cody was their main target from the start and Dez was on the radar but not who they were going to go with.

Agree....Imo, based on his drafting record Newsome should be given the benefit of the doubt....plus they got Boldin, so Bryant wasn't a necessity.
 

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I think Bryant was a great fit for the Cowboys. I have been thinking all along that Jones and Co. would try to do whatever it took to try to get the team into the Super Bowl for THIS season, with the game being in Dallas. Maybe a simplistic take, but how much would Jones love having his boys in the big dance on his big dance floor?

Have heard plenty about Bryant not knowing his head from his ass as far as understanding a play book - no secret, I'm sure - but he's quite the specimen. Should be a great offense with him running around complementing Austin and Witten, with those RB's. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Cowboys do something big today, too.
 

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after considering everything that went down,i have concluded that the bryant misstep wasn`t a misstep....

it was all about money....the ravens are paying dearly for boldin...and they incorrectly threw enormous amounts of money away on heap(shot) and suggs(may be thee most overrated player in the nfl)....

so,even if they took bryant at 24,he`s still gonna command more than slot 24 money.....

so,they decided the hell with all that grief....they didn`t want to compound the heap/suggs robbery by actually having to pay a budding superstar big bucks.......

they just couldn`t afford a talent like bryant...

I am over arguing about this, why I even attempt to engage with conversation about this with you is beyond me.
 
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I think Bryant was a great fit for the Cowboys. I have been thinking all along that Jones and Co. would try to do whatever it took to try to get the team into the Super Bowl for THIS season, with the game being in Dallas. Maybe a simplistic take, but how much would Jones love having his boys in the big dance on his big dance floor?

Have heard plenty about Bryant not knowing his head from his ass as far as understanding a play book - no secret, I'm sure - but he's quite the specimen. Should be a great offense with him running around complementing Austin and Witten, with those RB's. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Cowboys do something big today, too.

If they don't have any problems with Bryant, I think Dallas along with the Jets got the best value in the draft so far.
 

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I posted early in the draft that they were targeting Cody but you are going to believe whatever you want anyway.

By far the Ravens got the best value for the draft pick but you can not see past Dez Bryant.

Over the years the ravens have done an unreal job with the draft I am going to side with Ozzie and not you on this one.

And if Bryant was some slam dunk once a decade player why did he last all the way to pick 24?

They trade pick #25 for picks 43 + 70 +114 who does not like that?

Another way to look at it

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

Boldin trade:
Lose 3rd Round (88th overall) for 150 pts.
Lose 4th Round (123rd overall) for 49 pts.
Gain 5th Round (157th overall) for 29.6 pts.
Net Loss = 169.40 Pts

Denver trade:
Lose 1st Round (25th overall) for 720 pts.
Gain 2nd Round (43rd overall) for 470 pts.
Gain 3rd Round (70th overall) for 240 pts.
Gain 4th Round (114th overall) for 66 pts.
Net Gain = 56 pts

Total Net Loss = 113.40

So they get Boldin and all they basically lose is their first fourth round pick for him. They recognized this is an extremely deep draft and were able to get back most of the picks they gave up for Boldin.

But then of course you are right and Ozzie has no idea of what he is doing. :shrug:

ozzie`s made his share of mistakes....he`s still living off the ogden/lewis draft...nobody mentions boller....nobody mentions passing on marcus mcneil and drafting chester....his consistent failure drafting receivers.....

pre flacco we had a shitty,talent-poor offense for a decade..you can`t slide on players like bryant in the mid-20`s...flacco threw for under 200 yards in 10 of 16 games last year...
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and even with boldin,we have an old or injury prone receiving corps...every player taken from here on out is a bit of a ganble...

that`s all i`m saying...
 
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Plenty of guys like you refer to, Wease, have turned out to be real difference makers. Two "locals" come to mind along the lines of Bryant this year: Harvin last year and Moss falling to #22, the Vikes gambled with both, and paid off nicely.

Tough to know with some of these kids these days. I think I'd pick the kid with the smallest posse at the draft table, I dunno...:SIB
 

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ozzie`s made his share of mistakes....he`s still living off the ogden/lewis draft...nobody mentions boller....nobody mentions passing on marcus mcneil and drafting chester....his consistent failure drafting receivers.....

pre flacco we had a shitty,talent-poor offense for a decade..you can`t slide on players like bryant in the mid-20`s...flacco threw for under 200 yards in 10 of 16 games last year...
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and even with boldin,we have an old or injury prone receiving corps...every player taken from here on out is a bit of a ganble...

that`s all i`m saying...

GW, they all make mistakes & miss taking the right players, but i think newsome's record in the draft is still top-notch & is still one of the best at this.
 

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ozzie`s made his share of mistakes....he`s still living off the ogden/lewis draft...nobody mentions boller....nobody mentions passing on marcus mcneil and drafting chester....his consistent failure drafting receivers.....

pre flacco we had a shitty,talent-poor offense for a decade..you can`t slide on players like bryant in the mid-20`s...flacco threw for under 200 yards in 10 of 16 games last year...
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and even with boldin,we have an old or injury prone receiving corps...every player taken from here on out is a bit of a ganble...

that`s all i`m saying...


And Dez Bryant is a sure thing?

They had nfl team draft rankings I saw somewhere where they go past like the past decade and rank how the front offices I can't remember where I saw it but the Ravens were second best.

of course they`re pleased....i wonder how it would play out if they said,"we f`ed up big time"...



Every thing I have read from outside sources say the trade we made was outstanding. :shrug:
 

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I guess I missed it, but what picks did the Ravens get in return for the trade? I know they now have Boldin so that would make the need for Bryant a little less urgent, but Boldin can't seem to stay healthy to save his life. I'm interested to see if he can play a full season at this point in his career...
 

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I guess I missed it, but what picks did the Ravens get in return for the trade? I know they now have Boldin so that would make the need for Bryant a little less urgent, but Boldin can't seem to stay healthy to save his life. I'm interested to see if he can play a full season at this point in his career...

2nd Round (43rd overall)
3rd Round (70th overall)
4th Round (114th overall)
 
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