Raymond - Roger - Thunder - Steel City STATS since going pay !

[GENO]

It is all about the math guys.


A $100 bettor (110/100) paying $5 per pick(A number I pulled out of the air) bumps his break even win rate from 52.38 to 53.49.

+1.11% still beatable with the right plays and $$$ management.

A dime bettor 1100/1000 paying the same $5 per pick increases his break even rate to 52.49% a much smaller 0.11 %


No big deal for a disciplined player.

The largest hurdle to this game is picking 6-8 books that you can shop and TRUST !

No win rate will overcome a Caribi, a Camelot, an Aces Gold, a Blue Marlin?

 

[CryBoy]

Back in '89, paid $600 for NFL season with JEFF ALLEN SPORTS. Lost over $2000 along with the $600 service fee.

Have I learned my lesson? Not exactly. I have been on my own since the Jeff Allen lesson, but recently, I signed up with another service. How is it doing? My 1-unit play is only $10, so a 3-unit play would be $30. The service have managed to help me lose about $600 in a little over a month, that's not counting the service fee. As gloomy as things have been the past few weeks, I do believe things will turn around. Even if things turn around, I think GENO is correct. At $10 a unit, I will never break even due to the service fee.

Why do I pay for a service then? Time! It takes too much time for me to handicap games by myself.

I am not endorsing or cutting down any service. Just telling what I've been through and hope someone can make use of the information.

 

[djv]

Nothing is free guys. Nothing. Just sit back and think about it. Not even the picks here are free. You dont pay for them in a traditional way. But it did cost you some cash.
Now If MJ had hired all these folks. Said your cost to come to my site is 50 bucks a month. Im guessing 80% would pay and stay.

 

[SALTY DOG]

djv that is bullshit, the sole reason for this site is to gather
together a collection of people with the same hobby, goals,
interests, (gambling), and formulate strategies to beat the
odds, without paying scamers for info, (picks). Personally,
I wish Jack had a rule that once you go pay, your off this
site, period. No fishing for clients like we see on a daily
schedule here. People want to charge for there supposed
golden locks, fine, don't use this site to whore yourselves
out. I assume that is exactly what this site is for, people
working together to avoid the whores and beat the man.
And no I'm not directing this to you Fletcher, you aren't
fishing, you're just a good guy, KC, JT, and others don't
fish either. but the people who do, should be shown the
door. But that won't happen. djv, if you think I would pay
80 bucks to stay at this site, you are mistaken. This hobby
is not that important to me.

 

[grooven]

WOW this is just incredible this will never stop. Thunder I don't you or what your mission here is but something just doesn't seem right to me you have an avatar that says Jesus Saves yet your gambling and charging for it makes no sense to me.

The Spirit of Gambling

Luck and gambling go together, because chance inhabits both. "The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites" (Isaiah 33:14). With the world, the uncertainty of ill or loss is mixed with the chance of benefit or advantage. "13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15 For that ye ought to say, If the LORD will, we shall live, and do this, or that" (James 4:13-15). Sadly, the spirit of gambling can be seen in all parts of human endeavor, because gambling is a fundamental violation of the Law of Love, which Jesus taught. "36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the First and Great Commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the prophets" (Matthew 22:36-40). Since the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) mandates a supreme love for God and a love for our neighbour that is equal to the consideration that we ought to give to ourselves, then gambling violates the Law of Love because it only allows or enables the gain of one party at the expense of another. "We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil" (Proverbs 1:13). And, "for the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows"

 

[Jalen45]

good material

good material

greatest piece of capping advice someone will ever recieve, quoted all from thunder himself. this is the difference between a scam service and thunder-raymonds service....its kind of long but i quoted from an old post i read that was very useful. (maybe its because i dont believe in trends and this the best thing i could find)


""""sharpees pound dogs overnight knock the line down- and squares midday move the line back up- like gsp said when he is being helped on line between 4 and 7 est and the line was ponded down earlier and moves back up midday and your on that side you know who the squares are on. just like if you have a fav and vegas wants money the other way sharpees will ussually move the line up then the squares super pound the other side and move the line down-or vegas keeps the false line up to get more action on that side-cincy this last weekend is a great example i am not saying that this is always the case or that the squares are always on the wrong side but when i like a side and i see this kind of action it becomes a large play for me- and in bb this is the most prominant. sport where it really is a great capping tool.

squares on a whole are not early bettors they have a tendency to place wagers before gametime- for the most part because they really do not know how to cap a game. where the sharpees many times know what way the line is going to go. know if a sharpee knows for a fact a game is going to get pounded he may wait to place there wagers but many times the line may not change even if it is getting pounded.so more times than not sharpees place there wagers early and upgraDE EVEN MORE BY HOW THE LINEmoves. or middle or hedge if he does not like what he sees..

i have a software program that is off the net i pay for to track it-also i am very involved with a few hitter locals from across the country that tell me where the money is coming in and when they are laying money off and what games.they are doing so on.

it matters when it is if it is overnight it is ussually a steam play generated from a sharpee-if it jumps 2 to 3 hours before game time but went down overnight it is a def square play unless there is a injury or weather change or something like that- example lets say 2 houses have a overnight at 4 and all the others have it at 6 most other houses are going to follow suit because it is sharpee money and they do not want to get pounded at 6- as the day goes on the public may ne on the fav they pound it but vegas may only change it to 5 or even lkeep ithe same depending on the people wagering
you guys are funny the the books are not going to adjust because the squares do not will never learn and havenot in 17 years i have been involved on that side of it-secondly sharpee money came in on sf early then all rthe squares came in and then sharpees pounded sf more right before game time because squares moved tb back up. this will cost me nothing because even on this forum there are not many sharpees. there are millions of betters and only about 20 percent of of the money is sharpee money so why in the world would a book get cute-if it aint broke do not fix it. """


how many people that gamble actually profit money week after week? none, zero, its impossible to do. thats why they play the game.

 

[dr. freeze]

Back in '89, paid $600 for NFL season with JEFF ALLEN SPORTS. Lost over $2000 along with the $600 service fee.

Have I learned my lesson? Not exactly. I have been on my own since the Jeff Allen lesson, but recently, I signed up with another service. How is it doing? My 1-unit play is only $10, so a 3-unit play would be $30. The service have managed to help me lose about $600 in a little over a month, that's not counting the service fee. As gloomy as things have been the past few weeks, I do believe things will turn around. Even if things turn around, I think GENO is correct. At $10 a unit, I will never break even due to the service fee.

Why do I pay for a service then? Time! It takes too much time for me to handicap games by myself.

I am not endorsing or cutting down any service. Just telling what I've been through and hope someone can make use of the information.

i guess this explains why someone would buy a service.....lmao.....basically you are losing more $$ than you would be if you just picked your favorite teams.....yet you continue to go down that same road......

i guess it must feel good to be part of a "winning" errrr LOSING team.....

 

[dr. freeze]

Re: good material

Re: good material

greatest piece of capping advice someone will ever recieve, quoted all from thunder himself. this is the difference between a scam service and thunder-raymonds service....its kind of long but i quoted from an old post i read that was very useful. (maybe its because i dont believe in trends and this the best thing i could find)


""""sharpees pound dogs overnight knock the line down- and squares midday move the line back up- like gsp said when he is being helped on line between 4 and 7 est and the line was ponded down earlier and moves back up midday and your on that side you know who the squares are on. just like if you have a fav and vegas wants money the other way sharpees will ussually move the line up then the squares super pound the other side and move the line down-or vegas keeps the false line up to get more action on that side-cincy this last weekend is a great example i am not saying that this is always the case or that the squares are always on the wrong side but when i like a side and i see this kind of action it becomes a large play for me- and in bb this is the most prominant. sport where it really is a great capping tool.

squares on a whole are not early bettors they have a tendency to place wagers before gametime- for the most part because they really do not know how to cap a game. where the sharpees many times know what way the line is going to go. know if a sharpee knows for a fact a game is going to get pounded he may wait to place there wagers but many times the line may not change even if it is getting pounded.so more times than not sharpees place there wagers early and upgraDE EVEN MORE BY HOW THE LINEmoves. or middle or hedge if he does not like what he sees..

i have a software program that is off the net i pay for to track it-also i am very involved with a few hitter locals from across the country that tell me where the money is coming in and when they are laying money off and what games.they are doing so on.

it matters when it is if it is overnight it is ussually a steam play generated from a sharpee-if it jumps 2 to 3 hours before game time but went down overnight it is a def square play unless there is a injury or weather change or something like that- example lets say 2 houses have a overnight at 4 and all the others have it at 6 most other houses are going to follow suit because it is sharpee money and they do not want to get pounded at 6- as the day goes on the public may ne on the fav they pound it but vegas may only change it to 5 or even lkeep ithe same depending on the people wagering
you guys are funny the the books are not going to adjust because the squares do not will never learn and havenot in 17 years i have been involved on that side of it-secondly sharpee money came in on sf early then all rthe squares came in and then sharpees pounded sf more right before game time because squares moved tb back up. this will cost me nothing because even on this forum there are not many sharpees. there are millions of betters and only about 20 percent of of the money is sharpee money so why in the world would a book get cute-if it aint broke do not fix it. """


how many people that gamble actually profit money week after week? none, zero, its impossible to do. thats why they play the game.

geez this is incredible advice....you are a man of great judgement Jalen

 

[CryBoy]

Originally posted by dr. freeze
i guess it must feel good to be part of a "winning" errrr LOSING team.....

Freeze, I'll let you know after January. This is my second run at a service. The first one was an obvious error on my part. I was fresh out of college, kind of like where you are now.

Best of luck to you.

 

[djv]

Salty Dog it cost you. And something tells me you would be one of the 80% that would pay to use this site. It's not BS and you know it. You tell me a good reason why comeing here has not cost you already. Nothing is free. And it dont matter if it's this site or one like it. Has nothing to do with MJ.

 

[HighRoller]

Personally

Personally

I am in BIG favor of Jack charging a monthly fee. I believe it will only make this site stronger. I could be nominal like $3.95 a month or $29.99 yearly. JACK DO IT !!!

 

[IntenseOperator]

Fee=me gone

Not to brag

I'll put my record of posted plays over the last 6 weeks up against any touts in this forum

why is everyone so willing to part with their money in this place:nono:

 

[Mr Hockey]

Salty Dog it cost you. And something tells me you would be one of the 80% that would pay to use this site. It's not BS and you know it. You tell me a good reason why comeing here has not cost you already. Nothing is free. And it dont matter if it's this site or one like it. Has nothing to do with MJ.

DJV you are dead on. Salty is full of shit like everyone else & their why pay for picks theme. The better question is why do you obsess over people who do it? Some of you imo are just jealous because you couldn't do it yourself & if you could, you would jump on the opportunity.

It doesn't surprise me that some of the same people who screamed anti service a few years ago on this site are now turning pay over the last season or two.

Typical....

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Thank you for making sense. I'm so sick of the ridiculous question as to why would someone sell if the picks were that good. Hello, it is called maximizing profit fools.

So, in turn, why stop with just one service, open up 3 or 4 services to keep "maximizing profits". It's all starting to make sense Mr. PD, EGD, TCSN, Mr Hockey, et al.

Good luck to all the honest services!

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

The largest hurdle to this game is picking 6-8 books that you can shop and TRUST !

with some books dropping like flies.....i'm very weary of who i ship my money to.

 

[Mr Hockey]

So, in turn, why stop with just one service, open up 3 or 4 services to keep "maximizing profits". It's all starting to make sense Mr. PD, EGD, TCSN, Mr Hockey, et al.

Good luck to all the honest services!

Well atleast get your facts straight. I don't run a service. I post on a # of forums & use different nicknames but I make it known I'm the same person so what is your point exactly?

Oh yeah I forgot, you don't have one, wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Mr Hockey]

We should have a poll. Lets guess who the next person who is well known on this site & claims to hate services, decides to start one

 

[djv]

Mr hockey why do you need differant names. I post a few places and all are the same djv. Why would I need or want differant ones?

 

[Mr Hockey]

Well for starters I call myself Mr Hockey on here because I was banned so I obviously a different name was needed.

My names are just nicknames or intials for things I felt like using at anytime. I don't see what the big deal is but for some they like to choose their spots on when to bring up things so they look cool which is sad in of itself.

I use different names but make it known I'm the same person & don't just use a new one because I hit a bad streak etc like most would do.

 

[djv]

You were banned from here?