Republican solidaridy v. Democrat disorganization

[Eddie Haskell]

It seems like the republicans year after year can consolidate their factions much better than the democrats. The religious right, military, south, wealthy, white, etc will seemingly join behind a candidate not to all their liking whereas the democrat base labor, black, lawyers, seniors, womens groups, cannot seemingly join behind one of two candidates with similar issues.

I wonder if after there is only one, if the support for the candidate will be tepid. Funny party these democrats.

Eddie

 

[StevieD]

Eddie, I don't think the Dems will get behind one candidate. One reason the Republicans always manage to is because of the Corporate Press. Look how fast they stopped all of those McCain is too liberal stories and instead made Obama's Pastor a star. Bush ran against two war heros and when the draft dodging, AWOL, coke snorting drunk was done you would think he won World War One and Two all by himself and the other two are bums. Just a real shame that people can't see through the press and what they have done to our once great country.

 

[gardenweasel]

It seems like the republicans year after year can consolidate their factions much better than the democrats. The religious right, military, south, wealthy, white, etc will seemingly join behind a candidate not to all their liking whereas the democrat base labor, black, lawyers, seniors, womens groups, cannot seemingly join behind one of two candidates with similar issues.

I wonder if after there is only one, if the support for the candidate will be tepid. Funny party these democrats.

Eddie

i don`t understand why dems,with the "bush is the devil" billyclub as their linchpin,can`t get the multiple voices in their heads to come to a consensus?......

looks like "race" transcends "bush" in the party of progressives...

who`da thunk it?

 

[Spytheweb]

Look at the state of current affairs, healthcare, jobs, housing, credit, war, gas prices. This is what you get with a stay the course President. What has this President done for the average American since he's been in office? Nothing! This is why he will not be missed when he is gone, which is 9 months!!!

 

[The Sponge]

What has this President done for the average American since he's been in office? Nothing! months!!!

He is presently trying to unite the middle class with the poor. The great uniter. Spy give credit where credit is due.

 

[Chadman]

Personally, when all is said and done with the democrats, there will be a unified ticket of Hillary and Obama, or vice-versa, and democrats will essentially unite enough to win the election. Although I think both would find the VP position unappetizing, I think both would probably rather have it than not.

And, I think both at the head of the ticket will bring both groups of supporters out to vote, if and when they show a unified front.

JMHO.

 

[Tenzing]

It seems like the republicans year after year can consolidate their factions much better than the democrats. The religious right, military, south, wealthy, white, etc will seemingly join behind a candidate not to all their liking whereas the democrat base labor, black, lawyers, seniors, womens groups, cannot seemingly join behind one of two candidates with similar issues.

I wonder if after there is only one, if the support for the candidate will be tepid. Funny party these democrats.

Eddie

I'm not sure what you mean to ask. There are a ton of democrats who are very religious, most of the gov't officials in this country are democrats, historically, most new voters vote democrat, and democrats attract a broader range of voters than do other parties. Democrat policies aren't very keen with voters anymore, as most people have caught on that they are working to provide for drug users and other low-life scum.

So, if a democrat come a long who has even the smallest of variance with national policies, they will cause consternation in the ranks.

Republicans, generally, have a smaller base of politicians to choose from. A massive caveat to that is McCain who is essentially a democrat, and doesn't even try to act as if tho he holds republican ideals.

 

[Tenzing]

Personally, when all is said and done with the democrats, there will be a unified ticket of Hillary and Obama, or vice-versa, and democrats will essentially unite enough to win the election. Although I think both would find the VP position unappetizing, I think both would probably rather have it than not.

And, I think both at the head of the ticket will bring both groups of supporters out to vote, if and when they show a unified front.

JMHO.

Um, no.

The Dems have a snowflakes chance in hell of winning. Both major dem candidates have a negative image outside of the core Democrat constituancy, and since only 23-25% of the population is "core" that leaves 75% of Americans who cannot stomach either Hussein or Hillary.

It will be several elections, like 4-5, before Democrats have any shot at the presidency. Were it not for the extremely biased, anti-America media, there would be 0 talk of Hillary or Hussein, period.

This congress, your Democrat congress has the lowest, the lowest approval rate in the history of approval ratings. I think one governor for Louisiana a while back was lower, but that would be it. One guy, many decades ago.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Like Yogi Berra said:

It's like deja vu all over again.

Spy makes a good point. In 2004, we have a war that's starting to head south, a scandal ridden administration under attack ie: Wilson, DeLay, Libbey, etc, economy heading down, yadda yadda yadda. Then what becomes the central theme in the press..................

gay marriage, swift boats, morality and God

Fast forward 2008, economy in the dumper, occupation in Iraq continuing with over 4k dead, no jobs, no houses, no gas, no affordable prescriptions, no retirement, no pension plans, no affordable airline tickets, no health insurance, no environment, no mom and pop stores, no lawsuits, no Dr. Freeze, no 4 hour hard-on, and what the f does the press focus on................................

the pastor from hell.

No more importantly, I get sucked right into it also. I end up posting as a new topic "Rev. Wright on PBS tonight." I'm the idiot. It's amazing that when you try to defend what you perceive as an attack you just end up giving it more attention.

Spy and Stevie you are right that the media does direct our attention to the topic du jour. But we allow them to do it. Why isn't Hegge a story? His condemnation of the Catholics (I think 1 billion strong worldwide) should have garnered more attention than it has.

Ten, I'm saying that the Republicans are much better at uniting for a common cause (defeating the democrats) than the Democrats are (defeating the republicans). They can put aside their differences to defeat what they perceive as the greater evil.

Eddie

 

[Chadman]

Um, no.

The Dems have a snowflakes chance in hell of winning. Both major dem candidates have a negative image outside of the core Democrat constituancy, and since only 23-25% of the population is "core" that leaves 75% of Americans who cannot stomach either Hussein or Hillary.

It will be several elections, like 4-5, before Democrats have any shot at the presidency. Were it not for the extremely biased, anti-America media, there would be 0 talk of Hillary or Hussein, period.

This congress, your Democrat congress has the lowest, the lowest approval rate in the history of approval ratings. I think one governor for Louisiana a while back was lower, but that would be it. One guy, many decades ago.

:withstupi

If you REALLY believe what you typed here, you - in my humble opinion - are so incredibly biased that you cannot allow for anything else to be possible, other than what you see in your mind's eye.

I honestly cannot tell at this point if you are real or someone posting to create hysteria. It honestly is a complete tossup for me.

You say the dems have no shot at winning, and then hold up the approval ratings of congress as some kind of proof of that. Have you checked the approval ratings of the current republican President? As I'm sure you have, I can only determine you are only using partial "logic" to state your ridiculous premise. Four or five MORE elections, after the performance of the current two term President? That is so incredibly laughable, I don't know where to start.

However, I do know that if I do start to dispute it, you will probably tell me to **** off, and not Hi-jack a thread you responded to me in. And so it goes...:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj22: :s7: :bs:

 

[smurphy]

Like Yogi Berra said:

It's like deja vu all over again.

Spy makes a good point. In 2004, we have a war that's starting to head south, a scandal ridden administration under attack ie: Wilson, DeLay, Libbey, etc, economy heading down, yadda yadda yadda. Then what becomes the central theme in the press..................

gay marriage, swift boats, morality and God

Fast forward 2008, economy in the dumper, occupation in Iraq continuing with over 4k dead, no jobs, no houses, no gas, no affordable prescriptions, no retirement, no pension plans, no affordable airline tickets, no health insurance, no environment, no mom and pop stores, no lawsuits, no Dr. Freeze, no 4 hour hard-on, and what the f does the press focus on................................

the pastor from hell.

No more importantly, I get sucked right into it also. I end up posting as a new topic "Rev. Wright on PBS tonight." I'm the idiot. It's amazing that when you try to defend what you perceive as an attack you just end up giving it more attention.

Spy and Stevie you are right that the media does direct our attention to the topic du jour. But we allow them to do it. Why isn't Hegge a story? His condemnation of the Catholics (I think 1 billion strong worldwide) should have garnered more attention than it has.

Ten, I'm saying that the Republicans are much better at uniting for a common cause (defeating the democrats) than the Democrats are (defeating the republicans). They can put aside their differences to defeat what they perceive as the greater evil.

Eddie

EDDIE! ...this is one hell of a good post.

 

[StevieD]

Spy and Stevie you are right that the media does direct our attention to the topic du jour. But we allow them to do it.

Eddie

Eddie, I don't think we have any say in which direction they direct our attention. There are so many subtle things they can do. An ugly picture, an adjective here or there. They tell us what to like and what to hate. Look how all the media rallied to war. They made the people who said there was no WMD and it will be a quagmire look like idiots. The ones who said it will be over in 60 days and pay for itself with oil were made to look like they knew what they were talking about. They still quote does dopes. I the Corporate Media is so strong they got half the country it's a liberal media.

 

[bleedingpurple]

Um, no.

The Dems have a snowflakes chance in hell of winning. Both major dem candidates have a negative image outside of the core Democrat constituancy, and since only 23-25% of the population is "core" that leaves 75% of Americans who cannot stomach either Hussein or Hillary.

It will be several elections, like 4-5, before Democrats have any shot at the presidency. Were it not for the extremely biased, anti-America media, there would be 0 talk of Hillary or Hussein, period.

This congress, your Democrat congress has the lowest, the lowest approval rate in the history of approval ratings. I think one governor for Louisiana a while back was lower, but that would be it. One guy, many decades ago.

You also have not given this congress enough time. Still paying the price for the republican congress that just left not too long ago. Give them a chance. Just like Bush had a positive approval rating at the start and we gave him a chance and now he has plummeted to 28% approval rating. Nice job GW.

 

[The Sponge]

Eddie i plagered ya a little and people like the part about no Dr Freeze. Here is a dinner on me.

http://www.fishbowl.com/clt/buffets/lp/join/join.asp

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks Sponge for the dinner. Saul, that was my 3, 102 nd one hell of a good post. Just teasing. Thank you for the compliment. Coming from you, that means something. What, I'm not sure, but it means something.

Stevie, we came to rely on the media as a check and balance on the government. I think we all got screwed when congress passed the telecommunications act of 98 (I think). Thats when they allowed the few to own the many. The birth of News Corp, Gannett etc.

When you've got just a few giants controlling the major news sources, both print and electronic, you got a shi t load of potential trouble. I think there is a significant difference between the news people receive in the US v Europe (plus I like the French weather girl).

As much as the right dislikes PBS, Moyers, etc, I'm not sure they realize how critical they are to our democracy. Especially when you consider how the Bush administration tried to cut funding to the corporation for public broadcasting several years ago and tried to pull the plug on Moyers show.

When the media is owned by a few giant profit centered corporations and the government is allied with these corporations, you have the potential for disaster. Look no further than the cheerleading for the invasion of Iraq. Where was Edward R. Murrow when you really needed him. Instead you got a bunch of idiots wearing flags on there lapels talking shock and awe with red, white and blue background sets.

i get my news from the Onion.

Eddie

 

[StevieD]

Eddie, you are 100% right about the Communications Act changing (for the worse) everything. It ruined entertainment as well as the news. Radio has been destroyed by that Act as well. Surprisingly it wasn't Bush but it was Clinton who signed it. Whenever we saw Clinton and Gingrich shaking hands we were getting it right up the old wasoo.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

It seems like the republicans year after year can consolidate their factions much better than the democrats. The religious right, military, south, wealthy, white, etc will seemingly join behind a candidate not to all their liking whereas the democrat base labor, black, lawyers, seniors, womens groups, cannot seemingly join behind one of two candidates with similar issues.

I wonder if after there is only one, if the support for the candidate will be tepid. Funny party these democrats.

Eddie

Edward its not the Dem Base parties fault--it the radicals like you-KOS-Moveon-Sorus that have taken over party.

You should have had slam dunk on pres in 08
--but what does the radical left wing do--but engineer the campaign of person with least experience/worst pedigree in history of pres election.

Until the Dems base party throws you radicals under the bus--you will be the gift that just keeps giving.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne,

I can't believe someone who has lived as many years as you have can be so wrong so many times in one lifetime.

Eddie