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The skins would have had a better shot with Cousins playing the whole game.
Griffin is great? Based on what?
Ludicrous assertion. At best he is a slightly better than average QB with questionable judgment.
100x rather have Luck than Griffin.
Cousins would have won that game if he had started. Cousins would have won that game if he had started the 2nd half. Possibly even the 4th quarter.
The whole "Griffin is great" is basically a bs meme spread by Skip Bayless. No one who watches skins games would say Griffin is "great."
As for Shanahan, he made a call. That's his job. It's real easy to second guess. If he puts in Cousins at halftime and skins lose, you would never hear the end of it - even though that's what he should have done in retrospect.
A scrawny little dude running doesn't work at QB position in NFL. You got to be real smart about your runs like Wilson, or run 3/4 and get down, and just be battleship sized like Luck. Otherwise, you're going to get beaten into the turf.
Griffin is "great"? Bullshit.
Griffin is great? Based on what?
Ludicrous assertion. At best he is a slightly better than average QB with questionable judgment.
100x rather have Luck than Griffin.
Cousins would have won that game if he had started. Cousins would have won that game if he had started the 2nd half. Possibly even the 4th quarter.
The whole "Griffin is great" is basically a bs meme spread by Skip Bayless. No one who watches skins games would say Griffin is "great."
As for Shanahan, he made a call. That's his job. It's real easy to second guess. If he puts in Cousins at halftime and skins lose, you would never hear the end of it - even though that's what he should have done in retrospect.
A scrawny little dude running doesn't work at QB position in NFL. You got to be real smart about your runs like Wilson, or run 3/4 and get down, and just be battleship sized like Luck. Otherwise, you're going to get beaten into the turf.
Griffin is "great"? Bullshit.
This is so comical to me. It's called 'Outcome bias.'
RG3 got hurt (and is likeable), so we crucify the coaches for leaving him in.
Cutler comes out (none of you have any clue who determined what), is not likeable, and he is a quitter, a pussy, and stupid for coming out.
SO laughable and twisted. Justify it however you want. It's the exact same thing. If RG3 doesn't come back in, are we calling him a pussy and quitter? Not sure because he is soo damn likeable. Maybe though. Maybe he would have been called smart and thinking about his career and the team's future a la the Strasburg situation (I know he wanted to play, etc. )?
Either way, the double standard is glaring and the outcome bias makes people's thinking go to shit.
Everyone is so quick to declare a right or wrong based on their morals - even in situations that they have no idea what is going on or the extent of how these guys feel. They are humans, not some pawns for us to manipulate so we can get off on our fandom.
RG3 got hurt (and is likeable), so we crucify the coaches for leaving him in.
Cutler comes out (none of you have any clue who determined what), is not likeable, and he is a quitter, a pussy, and stupid for coming out.
SO laughable and twisted. Justify it however you want. It's the exact same thing. If RG3 doesn't come back in, are we calling him a pussy and quitter? Not sure because he is soo damn likeable. Maybe though. Maybe he would have been called smart and thinking about his career and the team's future a la the Strasburg situation (I know he wanted to play, etc. )?
Either way, the double standard is glaring and the outcome bias makes people's thinking go to shit.
Everyone is so quick to declare a right or wrong based on their morals - even in situations that they have no idea what is going on or the extent of how these guys feel. They are humans, not some pawns for us to manipulate so we can get off on our fandom.
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Agree, not one person in media or boards defended Cutler and now the shoe is on the other foot and we're murdering Shanahan? Which one is it? Gotta blame someone.
No, everyone in America saw that RG3 could not move. He couldn't run, he couldn't set up to pass, he couldn't avoid the rush. He couldn't do a damn thing. It is not second guessing. It is a fact. The guy could not move. As for Cutler taking himself out that is a different issue. I don't agree but those blasting him are bashing because he took himself out. I have never heard of a coach being blasted for taking an injured player out, nevermind one who needs surgery. Shanahan is paid to make decisions. He made the wrong one. He cost his team the game and maybe the QB his career.
Spot on Jord20!
I've gone to work hurt when it was critical. So did RG3. He's a fun player to watch, and he seems classy, so all the pundits are out (plus the fact that Shanahan is unlikeable). The doctor was there, he wanted to play, and he gave them their only shot to win even if he was hurt.
I've gone to work hurt when it was critical. So did RG3. He's a fun player to watch, and he seems classy, so all the pundits are out (plus the fact that Shanahan is unlikeable). The doctor was there, he wanted to play, and he gave them their only shot to win even if he was hurt.
None of this is true. RG3 was moving just as well, if not better than Cutler was.
You didn't hear millions blast the Washington management for keeping Stras out?
It's the goddamn players' lives...why you think it should be up to some bozo coach to determine their lives makes no sense to me.
Yup!
We don't really think these things through. We just let media types think for us and we nod along. We wait to see what happens, and then say told you so.
It's embarrassing, IMO.
I'm totally cool with that opinion.
I'm not even making a judgement on anyone (cutler, Griffin, Shanahan, the doc). I'm just saying all the crucifying of these guys for this or that decision is mostly baseless. And why we care so much about them and what they do is beyond me.
If you are arguing that Cousins healthy gave them a better shot than RG in his condition, I don't really care to have that discussion. That may be the case. It wasn't my point.
Cutler was NOT moving well AT ALL. So comparing RG to him does not imply that RG was moving well.
I just had issue with the Outcome bias people were applying and the fact that people are making moral judgments on million dollar decisions that they are soo far removed from. And I get bothered by people not thinking for themselves and laying their morals onto other people.
And this RG3/Cutler thing is such a double standard. Again, spin it how you want, but it is the same damn thing. Guy is hurt - what gives the team the best chance to win, what implications can continuing to play hurt have on the individual and the teams' futures.
Cutler was NOT moving well AT ALL. So comparing RG to him does not imply that RG was moving well.
I just had issue with the Outcome bias people were applying and the fact that people are making moral judgments on million dollar decisions that they are soo far removed from. And I get bothered by people not thinking for themselves and laying their morals onto other people.
And this RG3/Cutler thing is such a double standard. Again, spin it how you want, but it is the same damn thing. Guy is hurt - what gives the team the best chance to win, what implications can continuing to play hurt have on the individual and the teams' futures.
My take for what it is worth, he should have been out of the game. Most who has ever played a sport doesnt want to come out, even at high school level, therefore a smarter head needs to prevail. He is a rookie, you made the playoffs for the first time in years, there is a buzz about Washington football again, and division could easily be yours for many years to come, Philly sux Dallas poorly coached, and NYG fat/happy, therefore get him out. Why take the risk?
I would like to think he has a very bright future, and this at an organization that has been awful for decades. I also would like to think Shanahan or whoever isnt going to sacrifice the future for a short term gain in winning a playoff game. I realize its the playoffs and just get in but even if they did win where were they going? They won 7 games in a row, got a home playoff game, good experience, and get Orapko back next year, so good things to come in future. Not sure anyone thought they would run the NFC playoffs and make playoffs, not ready yet.
He clearly wasnt the same player, couldnt run up field or make cuts like he normally does, or could he throw the ball with much accuracy. Get him out. Sorry.
I would like to think he has a very bright future, and this at an organization that has been awful for decades. I also would like to think Shanahan or whoever isnt going to sacrifice the future for a short term gain in winning a playoff game. I realize its the playoffs and just get in but even if they did win where were they going? They won 7 games in a row, got a home playoff game, good experience, and get Orapko back next year, so good things to come in future. Not sure anyone thought they would run the NFC playoffs and make playoffs, not ready yet.
He clearly wasnt the same player, couldnt run up field or make cuts like he normally does, or could he throw the ball with much accuracy. Get him out. Sorry.
Fair enough. I don't disagree. I just think it's funny that people jump on this bandwagon are some of the same people who crucified Cutler being out. Now, we are all doctors determining which injusy/situation was worse. As if we have any clue. All we see is the outcome - Redskins lose and RG tears ACL, he should have been out. Bears lose, Cutler is a pussy and has no heart... doesn't add up.
Personally, I couldn't care less what decision either of them or management made. And, last point... these are all grown god damn men, at the end of the day they are each responsible for their futures.
I much like you dont really care one way or other, just making conversation as I am in home office fucking around on computer.
Being that your location is Chicago, you would probably know best about the Cutler thing. I vaguely remember it, and couldnt even tell you the injury. I might have commented on it, cant remember or maybe many didnt know what was really wrong with him as he sat on sideline. Concussion or shoulder? I live in hell, so I dont get out much and Chicago is too cold for me.
Given RG3 has already had an ACL tear, why take the chance? I dont know, maybe I was seeing something different than most. He was a sitting duck for the most part. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. Didnt help much that the field was awful too?
cousins was a viable back-up...he`d proven that earlier in the season....i doubt seriously that shanahan made the decision with the idea that he would sacrifice rg3 for one run at a title....the guy is the future of the franchise....if we know it,i`m sure shanny knows it...
my guess is that doctors told the team that it was o.k. for griffin to play(these decisions aren`t made in a vacuum)...you hear about instances in which the medical staff says that theres little chance to exacerbate an injury...if that`s the case,looks like bad advice after the fact......
not knowing how badly griffin was injured originally(it looked bad to me),i`d wager that the medical staff gave shanahan the thumbs up...shanahan`s not stupid...he probably made a bad decsion letting griffin continue...but had he made the change earlier when the game was up for grabs,who here thinks he wouldn`t have caught a lot of hell for that decision had cousins stunk the joint out?......
shanahan was gonna catch hell either way(short of somehow winning the game)...
my guess is that doctors told the team that it was o.k. for griffin to play(these decisions aren`t made in a vacuum)...you hear about instances in which the medical staff says that theres little chance to exacerbate an injury...if that`s the case,looks like bad advice after the fact......
not knowing how badly griffin was injured originally(it looked bad to me),i`d wager that the medical staff gave shanahan the thumbs up...shanahan`s not stupid...he probably made a bad decsion letting griffin continue...but had he made the change earlier when the game was up for grabs,who here thinks he wouldn`t have caught a lot of hell for that decision had cousins stunk the joint out?......
shanahan was gonna catch hell either way(short of somehow winning the game)...
another QB that will have the same thing happen to him is the Oregon QB
whenever I see the duck legs , its breaker breaker
one nine time for linebackers and corners blind siding.
short carreers but 40 million up front would be nice to call it a day
whenever I see the duck legs , its breaker breaker
one nine time for linebackers and corners blind siding.
short carreers but 40 million up front would be nice to call it a day
Cutler get to take kristin cavelerri to poundtown...
He gets my vote for luckiest qb in the world....
Not sure if that helps, but your welcome
He gets my vote for luckiest qb in the world....
Not sure if that helps, but your welcome
let's not forget our POS center , Montgomery, # 63 couldn't snap the ball back , more than a few times , this game.
Fat fuck, he sure got away with being brought up during , THE HERD , AND FIRST TAKE
went to school with her in Laguna, was a few years older than her... she is nothing special and was pretty slutty... but thats besides the point. Jay Cutler would never keep himself in the game if he was hurt like RG3... It was RG3's first playoff game... he wanted to win and show the world regardless if he was hurt...He will be back next year just as fast and a lot wiser....
