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The Scott Peterson backers point to one specific piece of circumstantial evidence and say its not reason enough to believe he killed her. That's exactly right. Its not any one thing that says he did it. Its the sum of the parts. We've seen this before; recently the Breeders Cup Fix 6 comes to mind. I was the first one on this forum to say there was foul play involved; that the turn of events was bizarre enough to believe it was fraudulent. It took about 2 weeks but eventually 3 were arrested and confessed. Here there's so much circumstantial evidence, it would extremely naive to believe there could be any other outcome than the husband being the killer. And yes, it is very possible he never will get convicted or even arrested. Will that change things in my (and many others) eyes? Not at all.

Scott Peterson the killer:
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No: +800 (+750 at the not so generous books)
 

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Loophole-

You say I have a jaded view of the criminal justice system. I just don't buy into all those nonsense made for TV movies how the system is endlessly convicting innocent people and sending them to jail. We hear about 1 wrongful conviction but you never hear about the thousands of correct ones. I do agree the system is set up to grind out the poor people (in general)...but in this case we aren't dealing with a poor person. Not by any stretch.

What I do have a jaded view of is the legal profession. No offense to you, but let's face it: attorneys benefit from others misfortunes. Let's say you have a client who's a murder suspect. They may say they're innocent but deep down you believe they are lying. How do you defend someone like that? And if you get them off, how could you sleep at night knowing that a criminal is walking away, free and clear? Personally, I couldn't and wouldn't do it.
 

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What I do have is a jaded view of is the legal profession.

They may say they're innocent but deep down you believe they are lying. How do you defend someone like that? And if you get them off, how could you sleep at night knowing that a criminal is walking away, free and clear? Personally, I couldn't and wouldn't do it.


You can say that again.


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valuist - ah, that age old question, "how can you defend the guilty?" well, first, you have to start by believing in the principles that are at the foundation of our system - the adversary process, the jury of your peers, the presumption of innocence, and the burden of proof being placed on the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. if you have a fundamental difference with any of these concepts, then you probably couldn't do what i do. the presumption of innocence gives you the inalienable constitutional right to walk into court and say"not guilty" even if you are, because what you are really saying is "prove it." i mentioned in a post above some of the oppressive regimes who trial systems were based on the presuption of guilt - the star chamber, the salem witch trials, you get the picture. there simply is no reasonable alternative to giving the defendant the presumption of innocence and placing the burden of proof on the state. the adversary defense attorney's job is to suggest other reasonable interpretations of the evidence that might exclude guilt. does this mean that the defense attorney should pervert the system by placing into evidence knowing false evidence or testimony? of course not. that would be subornation of perjury, and any lawyer who does that should and would be disbarred and imprisoned. i can honestly tell you that in all my years doing this i have never allowed a witness to take the stand if i knew for a fact that he wasn't telling the truth. not that i'm patting myself on the back, i don't know any of my reputable peers that would do that either. are there shady lawyers out there who might not feel the same way? of course there are; there are corrupt people in every walk of life. believe me, the are plenty of corrupt cops, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt judges. but, as is usually the case, most are not corrupt, they are just human beings doing the best that they can under the circumstances.

i recently defended a nineteen year old for bank robbery. the prosecutor couldn't believe i was going to trial. he had a flipped codefendant fingering my man and a signed confession. piece of cake, he said. flush 'em and shoot 'em. funny thing happened on the way to the gallows. at trial the state's star witness came across as the slug he really was . turns out he had cut a deal to walk in exchange for his testimony. and the confession was signed after eight hours of holding the kid incommunicado, screaming at him, threatening him. for seven and a half hours he pleaded his innocence. at the end, after listening to the cops tell him they would help him if he just confessed or bust his balls if professed innocence, he confessed. you should of heard the tapes - i bet even you would have been appallled. after his acquittal, the cops stumbled upon the real perpetrator. they turned him over to the feds for prosecution, as their credibilty was pretty much shot. guess what, before trial everyone was sure my client was guilty. if not for the right to a jury, the adversary system, and the presumption of innocence, he would be pulling fourteen years minimum in the state pen.

yes, the majority of those convicted are indeed guity, but believe me this was not an isolated case. most court appointed attorneys would have pled my man guilty for a reduced charge. just pick up any day's paper and you can read about dna clearing someone imprisoned for rape or murder. what did you think about the teenagers imprisoned for the central park jogger case after they confessed after similar interrogation, only to find out that they could not have done the act. they were convicted because of the manner in which their confessions were taken and the fact that the state intentionally suppressed evidence of their innocence. does that not bother you at all? what is an accepable percentage of innocent men to be imprisoned or even executed by the system? is it better to let a hundred guilty men go free in order that one innocent man not be executed. i have to say that i believe that it is.


scott-atlanta - read your reply, thanks for running the spellchecker for me and looking up the big words in the dictionary. i shall continue to defer to you to make the case that you are the forum's village idiot. you do it so much better than i could.

whew! in this thread i've gone from defending the presumption of innocence to defending myself to defending the legal profession. now if i could only figure out where to send the bill.
 

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loophole said:
. turns out he had cut a deal to walk in exchange for his testimony. and the confession was signed after eight hours of holding the kid incommunicado, screaming at him, threatening him. for seven and a half hours he pleaded his innocence. at the end, after listening to the cops tell him they would help him if he just confessed or bust his balls if professed innocence, he confessed.

scott-atlanta - read your reply, thanks for running the spellchecker for me and looking up the big words in the dictionary. i shall continue to defer to you to make the case that you are the forum's village idiot. you do it so much better than i could.

Loopy

I tell you the more you talk the more and more I see how cops handle solving crimes. Yell at a kid for 8 hours and force a confession. Thats almost as good as the sonar body scan they tried with Peterson. I guess cops take the lazy way out no matter where they work. And of course they meant to say that they would convict him if he admitted it, not help him.
Slip of cop tongue.

Uh Loopy how would I know your words were spelled wrong if I didnt know they were spelled wrong ? Did I mention I won a spelling B in fifth grade and got a trophy ? Where did you learn to spell ?

I think you are not smart enough to challenge my intelligence. That is why you defer to me. I prefer it that way. Thanks. It makes it easier for me in dealing with you.


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Loophole,

You have stolen my earlier statement about every village has its idiot:D

I am glad more people are starting to agree!!

Scott, IF you are actually married, you should kiss this womans feet just to be able to listen and put up with your rhetoric every day:shrug:
 

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I agree with Loophole that this story is media driven.If this was a dumpy plain woman married to Joe six-pack,tenement dweller, would we ever have heard of it?I don't think so.the media only care about ratings and pretending they care about the parties involved.I don't know this for a fact but I would guess that the Lehrer Newshour on PBS HAS NEVER aired this story one bit.
Same goes for that little girl in Colorado killed about five years ago on Christmas Eve, I think.
All these local stories are tragic to the parties involved,but they are not national stories.News has become the National Enquirer.
And the sappy public eats it up.
 

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Police in a San Francisco Bay-area town tried to determine on Monday whether bodies of a headless woman and a fetus that washed ashore were Laci Peterson and her unborn child, whose disappearance last Christmas Eve became a national mystery.

"There was a fetus found yesterday and today there was a female body found," Richmond police officer Hector Esparza said. "It was washed up from the bay."


The baby's body was still attached to an umbilical cord, a news report said.


Asked if the badly decomposed body was that of Peterson, Esparza said: "We don't know that."


Police have found no trace of the 27-year-old since she was reported missing by her husband, Scott, on Christmas Eve, despite a huge police effort, extensive national news coverage and a $500,000 reward. She was due to have the baby in February.


Peterson was from the central California city of Modesto, and Modesto police helicoptered to the scene in Richmond, just north across the bay from San Francisco, to assist in the investigation on Monday.


Police said an autopsy would be needed to determine the cause of death of the corpses, but did not say how long that would take.


The Contra Costa Times reported that the head and legs of the body found on Monday were missing and said it was apparent that the woman had been pregnant,


Peterson's husband Scott, who has been described by police as less than helpful in the investigation, has said he learned of his wife's disappearance after he had returned late in the day on Christmas eve from fishing in the same bay where the bodies were found.


In January, Scott Peterson admitted publicly that he had been having an affair with another woman.


The Laci Peterson case reminded many of the story of another Modesto resident, Chandra Levy, who had just completed an internship in Washington D.C. when she vanished on May 1, 2001. Her skeletal remains were found more than a year later in a Washington park.


The disappearance of Levy, 24, dominated the U.S. news for much of the summer after links surfaced between the dark-haired intern and Democratic U.S. Rep. Gary Condit. The Modesto congressman lost his bid for reelection despite police assurances that he was not a suspect in her death.



If this is her the noose may tighten around ole scotty boys neck very shortly. Hope he has plenty of ky on hand. may want to start loosing the ole bung hole up.
 

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I enjoyed reading your last post. Appreciated it. It may be law 101, (I would not know) but the "prove it" idea was as clear a concept as I have ever heard in defense of defense lawyers.

Try using economic theory to tell the local geniuses around here why gasoline prices are not being "fixed" and you will find a much more intense definition of frustration.

Iron.
 

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If they had good info against him they would have nailed him. Yes even with out a body. Seems the infant found here was a full term baby as reported this moning. She was due mid February. Not sure if you can call that close enough for full term. Reports are the older person may have had her head ate by sea animals.
Dam so quick. X mas to April. I guess that would not be that strange. But anyway now lets see if they try to hang Scotty.
Keep in mind they have two witness that said they saw her walking the dog that day. Just when he was gone fishing.
 

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will be difficult to prove...

will be difficult to prove...

and i think it would be fairly difficult to prove the "full term" baby angle....if the girl was over 8 months pregnant,and the bodies were in the water for 4 months....i heard they weren`t 100% sure at first if the adult was even female.....maybe he`s not guilty.....i`d say that if he did it,he did pretty much every thing he could do to make himself look guilty.....maybe it`s all unfortunate coincidence...but,he has not shown himself to be a very sympathetic character....at the very least,he`s a liar and a rat bastard(my apologies to all the rats and bastards out there)

all of which do not prove him guilty....even with the bodies,i don`t see how they are going to prove his guilt....

maybe it`s not so hard to get away with murder...my guess is there may never be a definitive answer on this one...
 

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I had forgotten about my original post here several months ago. But nothing has changed my thinking. This is just another "coincidence". I'm not interested in the fact that legally they may have a tough time convicting him. When you see mountains of circumstantial evidence, I think you can draw your own conclusions.
 

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Did a sea animal perform a C-Section in the middle of the ocean? How did the baby seperate from the womb? I think this clears Scott Peterson....Unless i am missing something.
 

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if the adult

if the adult

had no legs or head,i`d say sea animals could have done enough damage to extract that baby(if they are what took the legs and head).....no sense getting into an argument....we should know soon enough....i have to think they took some blood or something from laci during her pregnancy...or get dna from her family....we will see in several days...but,if that`s not laci or the baby,how does that exonerate scott peterson?.... you lost me there....
 

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Separation of baby and Mother could be an indication that she was whacked after giving birth.......But, it could raise speculation that a sand shark bit and ripped the baby from the womb...who knows..time will tell.....

I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt...I would like to believe nobody is capable of performing such a horrendous act........
But, the kidnapper/murderer could have dumped the bodies in the ocean at this particular venue to set Scott Peterson up..since everybody in the world knows this is where he received the receipt from the marina?
 

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neverteaseit said:

Peterson's husband Scott, who has been described by police as less than helpful in the investigation, has said he learned of his wife's disappearance after he had returned late in the day on Christmas eve from fishing in the same bay where the bodies were found.


I'm not a defense lawyer.....nor do I play one on t.v. .......but I'm guessing it don't look too good when you tell cops that you were in a particular area when the disappearance occured.......and bodies just happen to wash up at that same area a few months later.
 

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If I am Scott Peterson I am immediately doing my best Lawrence Taylor imitation "I was set up like a muther****er"

Seriously, It is a great alibi...why the hell would I dump the bodies where I told you I was at? Somebody is setting me up.
 

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Wilson said:
Separation of baby and Mother could be an indication that she was whacked after giving birth.......But, it could raise speculation that a sand shark bit and ripped the baby from the womb...who knows..time will tell.....

I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt...I would like to believe nobody is capable of performing such a horrendous act........
But, the kidnapper/murderer could have dumped the bodies in the ocean at this particular venue to set Scott Peterson up..since everybody in the world knows this is where he received the receipt from the marina?


The body would react with spontaneous delivery after Mr Peterson killed her. Hopefully they can determine a cause of death.

Yeh a sand shark did it. Geezz does the name dipstick ring a bell with you ?

People saw the wife walking the dog. Maybe Scotty picked her up and told her lets go for a nice ocean ride in the Bay.
All he had to do was take the boat to a dock somewhere.

I can't believe that you dont understand that in these type cases the husband is the killer 90% of the time. This scumbag belongs on death row. Maybe now the police will stop playing OJ games and arrest this guy.

Wilson as usual you show your ignorance.

Hope that helps

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Wilson said:
If I am Scott Peterson I am immediately doing my best Lawrence Taylor imitation "I was set up like a muther****er"

Seriously, It is a great alibi...why the hell would I dump the bodies where I told you I was at? Somebody is setting me up.

Wilson

your a sick little bastid to even type something like that.


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