Scott Walker new Gov of Wisconsin

[Mags]

The average salary for public school teachers in Wisconsin is not $100K. If you heard this from Micheal Savage, he LIED to you. The average salary for public school teachers in Wisconsin is $46K.

Don't be stupid, Hedge.

I'll even back up Trench on this one - $46K is the right number. Of course, when you add in the benefits (they vary by district, but in our district it is a $0 Deductible, $5 copay for the doctor and no copay on prescription drug plan) - well, if you have a family, that plan can be worth $20K plus just for medical (depends on how many kids, age of husband/wife, etc).

But pure salary - yes $46K is correct.

 

[Trench]

Don't be stupid, Hedge.

No offense with the "stupid" comment, Hedge.

But listening to Michael Savage could dumb down Stephen J. Hawking.

 

[Duff Miver]

I'll even back up Trench on this one - $46K is the right number. Of course, when you add in the benefits (they vary by district, but in our district it is a $0 Deductible, $5 copay for the doctor and no copay on prescription drug plan) - well, if you have a family, that plan can be worth $20K plus just for medical (depends on how many kids, age of husband/wife, etc).

But pure salary - yes $46K is correct.

AHA! Now I get it, Maggot. You're just plain and simple jealous because teachers are worth more than you.

Too fucking bad. Go back to school, learn enough if you are able, and you can serve your state and country as a teacher and make the big bucks too.

Or....you can just keep on flipping burgers or selling insurance and whine.

Your choice.:142smilie

 

[Chadman]

How come nobody ever counts benefits value of any other profession when comparing them to teachers? All I ever hear is yeah, they only make such and such, but when you add in the benefits, it's this number. And then THAT number is compared to what other incomes are out there. Why aren't the value of the benefits included in those? Most people with insurance benefits get a lot of that paid for, vacations, too, and other benefits - but we never add that in, do we? Some private companies provide excellent benefits and offer plenty of perks, but rarely is that mentioned when comparing.

 

[Turfgrass]

How come nobody ever counts benefits value of any other profession when comparing them to teachers? All I ever hear is yeah, they only make such and such, but when you add in the benefits, it's this number. And then THAT number is compared to what other incomes are out there. Why aren't the value of the benefits included in those? Most people with insurance benefits get a lot of that paid for, vacations, too, and other benefits - but we never add that in, do we? Some private companies provide excellent benefits and offer plenty of perks, but rarely is that mentioned when comparing.

Good point...SAS here in Raleigh (Cary) has awesome benefits, but I hear it's real hard to get a job there because of the low turnover.

I guess its hard to compare though because there are so few companies that provide the same benefits as state workers...then again what do I know, I've never worked for the state.

 

[Mags]

How come nobody ever counts benefits value of any other profession when comparing them to teachers? All I ever hear is yeah, they only make such and such, but when you add in the benefits, it's this number. And then THAT number is compared to what other incomes are out there. Why aren't the value of the benefits included in those? Most people with insurance benefits get a lot of that paid for, vacations, too, and other benefits - but we never add that in, do we? Some private companies provide excellent benefits and offer plenty of perks, but rarely is that mentioned when comparing.

Chad - while there ARE some big companies that have good benefits, by and large, most don't. On average, the public sector's benefits are much better than private.

Maybe have folks post the benefits their company gives them? I don't think that is too personal for folks....

I'm self employed, so I have no company provided benefits.

 

[djv]

Walker! since this thread was stated everyone should know he is a idiot.
And First salary list with bigger amount. Thats the VP's. And most are no longer in the union.

 

[Chadman]

I would agree that for the most part state and national government workers probably have better benefits than most - and that's a fair point to make in judging this issue. It just occurred to me that I've never (that I recall) heard anyone comment on benefits (whatever they are) being added in to the comparison on the other side.

 

[Trench]

It just occurred to me that I've never (that I recall) heard anyone comment on benefits (whatever they are) being added in to the comparison on the other side.

And you never will, Chad. Those same voices cry "Let the market determine wages and benefits!!", then cry foul when corporate greed prevents the market from working in their favor.

I find it astonishing that so many on the right can't see what's so strikingly obvious... As labor unions have declined in the private sector, private sector salaries have failed to keep pace with public sector salaries, which have risen in direct correlation to the rise of unions in the public sector.

So now we have the demonization of both unions and public employees by powerful corporate interests, their hired gun politicians like Scott Walker and much of the right wing base.

 

[StevieD]

And you never will, Chad. Those same voices cry "Let the market determine wages and benefits!!", then cry foul when corporate greed prevents the market from working in their favor.

I find it astonishing that so many on the right can't see what's so strikingly obvious... As labor unions have declined in the private sector, private sector salaries have failed to keep pace with public sector salaries, which have risen in direct correlation to the rise of unions in the public sector.

So now we have the demonization of both unions and public employees by powerful corporate interests, their hired gun politicians like Scott Walker and much of the right wing base.

Add to this the rise in top executive pay and you can start to understand why we are in the mess we are in. Too much money at the top. The people who need it do not have it to spend. It's a snowball rolling down a hill.

 

[yyz]

Add to this the rise in top executive pay and you can start to understand why we are in the mess we are in. Too much money at the top. The people who need it do not have it to spend. It's a snowball rolling down a hill.

But, we have people here in Wisconsin, when you talk about the Koch Bros laying off 158 people in Green Bay to "automate"........shouting, "It's their right to make money as businessmen!"

So, I guess I'll never get it?

You don't want the public sector to make money and have benefits, because YOU pay for it, and the private sector can fire people for the sake of keeping more money at the top........Where the fuck can you make money as a WORKING MAN?

Nowhere!

And these fucking "working class" dopes are all out here cheering for that!

I've never seen more asinine times in my life.

 

[hedgehog]

Add to this the rise in top executive pay and you can start to understand why we are in the mess we are in. Too much money at the top. The people who need it do not have it to spend. It's a snowball rolling down a hill.

Executives should be paid more:shrug:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Executives should be paid more:shrug:

No shit.

 

[StevieD]

Executives should be paid more:shrug:

What are you having a hard time grasping? :shrug: