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SEC is the deepest and most talented FB conference.


Have you stopped and thought about the fact that, since the SEC added South Carolina and Arkansas and added the Championship Game (in 1992, I believe), there have been FOUR DIFFERENT SEC teams win the national championship: Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, and LSU. No other conference has had more than 2 (Big 12, Nebraska, twice, and Oklahoma). But when you look at what the Tigers did to Oklahoma, what Ohio State did to Kansas St., and what happened to Texas in the Bowl Games, it looks like the Big 12 might have been a little OVERRANKED.
 

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Re: SEC dominance

Cie Grant said:
No other conference has had more than 2 (Big 12, Nebraska, twice, and Oklahoma). But when you look at what the Tigers did to Oklahoma, what Ohio State did to Kansas St., and what happened to Texas in the Bowl Games, it looks like the Big 12 might have been a little OVERRANKED.

sec far and away the best conference this year....with that being said, what exactly are you trying to illustrate here?:shrug:
 

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I feel that the SEC is regularly the best FB conference, and 4 different Programs being good enough to win Nat'l Titles in the past 12 years illustrates this point quite nicely, don't ya think?:cool:

GL:weed:
 

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The Myth of the SEC

The Myth of the SEC

The myth of the SEC

I think it's important for people to know that the SEC contrives its high rankings by playing a bunch of nobodies, and I'm sure some of you haven't seen this yet, so enjoy. Note: this was compiled before this year's bowl games. Also, i did not write this but another fellow trojan did to prove the SEC is not the best conference. And he certainly did.

This is to show how the SEC (or the Big XII, for that matter) inflates its rankings by playing a weak schedule, then beating up on the bad teams in the league to produce five or six top 25 teams.

The SEC has played 243 nonconference games over the past six years, includng this year (not counting bowl games). Of those 243 games, only 54 were road games (22%). That's right, 12 teams over the course of six years played a total of 54 road games against nonconference opponents. That averages out to 3/4 of a road game every year per team, meaning on average, teams in the SEC play less than one road game out of conference a year. And the majority of those road games were games played by teams who had traditional rivals in other conferences (South Carolina and Clemson, Georgia and Georgia Tech, Florida and Florida St.). To compare to the Pac-10, the Pac-10 played 72 road games out of 205 nonconference games (35%).

Even more startling is the fact that the SEC played only 68 games against BCS teams (28%) vs. the Pac-10's 85 games against BCS teams (41%). 12 teams on average played less than one game a year against BCS competition in nonconference play, while the Pac-10 played an average of one and a half BCS teams a year over the past six years. Against BCS competition, the SEC had a losing record over the past six years, going 30-38 (44%). The Pac-10 had a winning record against BCS teams, going 46-39 (54%). The majority of those 30 SEC wins came from four teams-- Tennessee (7-1), Kentucky (5-1, but played only Big Ten doormat Indiana six times), Vanderbilt (5-3, but played Duke for four of those victories), and Georgia (5-3, 3-3 against GTech). The other eight teams in the SEC could only win eight games in six years against BCS teams (going 8-30).

Here is the breakdown of the Pac-10's and SEC's nonconference records over the past six years against the other BCS conferences (does not include bowl games-- this is about scheduling):

ACC
Pac-10 2-2, SEC 14-20

Big East
Pac-10 6-2, SEC 6-7

Big Ten
Pac-10 14-13, SEC 5-1

Big XII
Pac-10 13-11, SEC 2-3

Pac-10
SEC 1-6

SEC
Pac-10 6-1

Notre Dame
Pac-10 5-10, SEC 2-1

To further illustrate the point, the SEC was 151-24 in games against nonconference teams that weren't in the BCS conferences (86%). Even the bad teams in the SEC prop up SOS for the good teams by playing horrible teams that guarantee them wins. Auburn is a good example of what the SEC does to inflate their rankings. If Auburn had played the usual cupcake schedule that they have played in the past, they would be 9-3 right now and ranked in the top 15 most likely, having "only" lost to LSU, Mississippi and Gerogia, while beating supposedly good teams like Arkansas and Tennessee. However, because they chose to play someone legitimate, they are 7-5 and look

they are 7-5 and were looking for a new coach.

This is what the rest of the SEC does, with the exception of Florida, which has to play FSU every year (and loses, by the way) and sometimes Miami (losing to them, too). The following are the SEC teams and their records against BCS opponents listed first and their record against non-BCS opponents over the past six years.

TEAM BCS record, non BCS record
Alabama 0-4, 13-5
Arkansas 1-0, 19-0 (yes, played only one BCS team over the past 6 years)
Auburn 1-5, 14-0
Florida 1-7, 12-0
Georgia 5-3, 12-0
Kentucky 5-1, 10-4
LSU 1-2, 15-2
Mississippi 0-2, 17-1
Mississippi St. 1-3, 13-3
South Carolina 3-7, 8-2
Tennessee 7-1, 12-0
Vanderbilt 5-3, 6-7

This is how the myth of the SEC is perpetuated. Since every team is guaranteed three or four wins to start the season, and then they get 3-4 more wins against the bottom half of the SEC, they have 6-8 wins before playing any of the tougher teams. With just one or two more wins, you have five or six teams with a minimum of eight wins in the "tough" conference, leading to higher rankings for all of those teams and increase SOS.

If you're wondering how the SEC did in bowl games over that time, here you go. After all, if they were truly a much better conference, their bowl record would show it, would it not. Over that same period, the SEC was 21-20 in their bowl games, certainly not dominant like they all claim to be.

Here are the nonconference schedules of both conferences so you can see how sickening the schedules of the SEC teams really are.

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Alabama
BYU, E Carolina, S. Mississippi, Houston, Louisiana Tech, S. Mississippi, @UCLA, S. Mississippi, Central Florida, UCLA, Texas El Paso, S. Mississippi, Mid Tennessee, @Oklahoma, N Texas, S. Mississippi, @Hawaii, S Florida, Oklahoma, N Illinois, S. Mississippi, @Hawaii.

Four nonconference road games in six years. Four games against BCS teams. 0-4 r

Stupid. Here's the SEC's schedule over the past six years of nonconference opponents.

Alabama
BYU, E Carolina, S. Mississippi, Houston, Louisiana Tech, S. Mississippi, @UCLA, S. Mississippi, Central Florida, UCLA, Texas El Paso, S. Mississippi, Mid Tennessee, @Oklahoma, N Texas, S. Mississippi, @Hawaii, S Florida, Oklahoma, N Illinois, S. Mississippi, @Hawaii.

Four nonconference road games in six years. Four games against BCS teams. 0-4 record against BCS teams.

Arkansas
SW Louisiana, SMU, @Memphis, @SMU, Louisiana Monroe, Mid Tenn St., SW Missouri St., Boise St., Louisiana Monroe, UNLV, Weber St., Central FLorida, Boise St., S Florida, Troy St., Louisiana Lafayette, Tulsa, @Texas, N Texas, New Mexico St.

Three nonconference road games, ONE GAME against BCS teams. 1-0 against BCS teams.

Auburn
Virginia, Louisiana Tech, Central Florida, Appalachian St., Idaho, Central FLorida, Wyoming, N. Illinois, Louisiana Tech, Ball St., @Syracuse, Louisiana Tech, @USC, W Carolina, Syracuse, Louisiana Monroe, USC, @GTech, W Kentucky, Louisiana Monroe.

Three nonconference road games in six years. Six games against BCS teams. 1-5 against BCS teams.

Florida
The Citadel, NE Louisiana, @FSU, W Michigan, Central Florida, FSU, Ball St., Mid Tenn St., @FSU, Marshall, Louisian-Monroe, FSU, Alabama Birmingham, Miami, Ohio U, @FSU, San Jose St., @Miami, Florida A&M, FSU.

Four nonconference road games in six years, three coming from OOC rival Florida St., the other coming from in-state rival Miami. Eight games against BCS teams, all coming from traditional OOC rivals. 1-7 against BCS teams.

Georgia
Kent St., Wyoming, Georgia Tech, Utah St., Central Florida, @GTech, Georgia Southern, New Mexico St., GTech, Arkansas St., @GTech, Houston, Clemson, Northwestern St., New Mexico St., GTech, @Clemson, Middle Tennessee, Alabama Birmingham, @GTech.

Four nonconference road games in six years.

Could not do anymore, but I think this most certainly proves my point. NOBODY can argue with this. Facts are facts. Don't be duped into thinking the SEC is so tough. :lol:
 

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Cie Grant said:
thekid


I feel that the SEC is regularly the best FB conference, and 4 different Programs being good enough to win Nat'l Titles in the past 12 years illustrates this point quite nicely, don't ya think?:cool:

GL:weed:

4 programs winning titles in 12 years is clearly, very impressive. i was confused by your 12 years sec comparison with the big12's debaucle this year. seemed liked 2 different subjects to me. congrads on your first championship in 50 years. :)
 

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Scott what is your defense on how many national titles the conference has won?

As much as I appreciate your response being filled with alot of actual data, some of it you must admit is subjective, not on your part but in reality. This is the case with both conferences as they are filled with some average & below average teams which water down the better programs.

Like in the SEC, they have quality teams but get dragged down with teams like Vanderbilt & of late Alabama while the Pac 10 was drugged down by the likes of a Arizona, Arizona St, etc....
 

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Good Post Mr. Hockey. You asked or brought up good material. To answer your first question

Scott what is your defense on how many national titles the conference has won?

When reading the write-up, you will understand the SEC plays POOR OOC teams. This helps SEC teams get to the title game. Then it is just winning one game (title game), or just winning 1-2 tough games a year to get to the title game. What if last year USC played a poor OOC teams, like LSU did this year? They would have had 4 games to prepare for WSU, and maybe not be so beat up. Starting the year vs AU, @CO, and @KSU is just BRUTAL but USC likes those challenges.

As for the pac 10, this year the pac 10 was down year but still teams 1-9 beat on each other. Any other year, teams 1-10 beat on each other. It is a tough conference from top to bottom. This year I admit it was a little top heavy. But then Pac 10 suprised and did very well in the bowl games. Very well.
 

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of course the SEC is the best football conference, they are the only conference that pays it's players.
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The PAC-10 definitely is one of the stronger conferences in the NCAA. The only problem relates to issues concerning nail breakage as well as pain due to exfoliation processes ( including removal of eyebrows by mechanical methods).

If not for these problems, we definitely believe that the PAC-10 would be the prettiest conference in the country.

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What if last year USC played a poor OOC teams, like LSU did this year?


Scott

Bowling Green(I think, if not then Marshall) backed out of a game with LSU this season. They opted to fill the spot with DivII Western Illinois. I would have preferred a bye week, but cannot blame the University for wanting to increase revenue. Even with a Div II squad on the schedule LSU finished 13th in SOS while USC finished 20th. If LSU does not play the extra game vs W Ill they finish 8th in SOS. How much more difficult a schedule would you like for them to play???

GL:weed:
 

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LSU finished the regular season with 29th ranked SOS. USC had 37 (despite everything going against USC way) If I was an LSU fan, i would have been embarrassed with the LSU schedule. Yes it finished higher than USC (but only because LSU got lucky that so many teams tanked for USC). USC would NEVER play a OOC schedule like LSU. NEVER. As for saying LSU was left with no choice to find tougher competition. I do not believe that because every year LSU plays this same type of OOC schedule. I laugh at it and all the other SEC teams who do the same. I would bet $1000 LSU plays at least 1 Div 2 opponent next year. Maybe 2. :D Should be embarrassed to go see LSU play these cupcakes.

USC needed to find an extra game this year for next year. USC wanted MIAMI, they said no (for the 2nd straight year). USC wanted OU, they agreed to play USC home and home series but did not want to play USC next year (USC wanted OU right away). USC kept looking and finally got V-Tech. USC starts from the top and wants to play the best. I RESPECT THAT. '

This year USC had a SOS before the season most would say was top 10. Next years OOC is...........

V-Tech (almost a home game for V-Tech in Maryland) BCA classic
@BYU (tough place to play, traditional filled program too)
Colorado St (great coached program)
ND (RIVALRY)

That means, any of these teams, like any year for USC, will beat USC if they do not come to play. Even if USC comes to play, these teams could beat USC. Tough OOC schedule. NO GIMMIES.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/abcsports/BCSRankings
 
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BYU will probably be down again next year & ND hasn't been that good over the last few years, rival or not.

Colorado St will be a good game as Sonny usually fields a very solid team who is contention for the title in their conference & Va Tech will be a solid game unless they tank towards the end of the year like they have the last few seasons.
 

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Scott

LSU wil play at least 1 DivII team, maybe 2. You are absurd. I can no longer attempt to reason with you. IGNORE.

PS Get away from your PC and go get some ass. Don't be afraid of it, I promise that it will help.
 

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Is LSU playing another Div 2 school? :shrug:

I guess your "proud" being a fan of a program playing lesser competition. I guess beating div. 2 schools by 40pts makes your school look tough. Congrats.
 

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I was browsing around & came across USC's 2004 football schedule. I wouldn't talk so much trash Scott as this schedule isn't filled with world beaters.


Sat 08/28/2004 Virginia Tech (BCA Football Classic) Landover, Md. ESPN 4:45 PM PT
Sat 09/04/2004 @ BYU
Sat 09/11/2004 Colorado State
Sat 09/25/2004 @ Stanford
Sat 10/09/2004 California
Sat 10/16/2004 Arizona State
Sat 10/23/2004 Washington
Sat 10/30/2004 @ Washington St
Sat 11/06/2004 @ Oregon St
Sat 11/13/2004 Arizona
Sat 11/27/2004 Notre Dame
Sat 12/04/2004 UCLA Pasadena, Calif


LSU's 2004 schedule:
Sept 04 TBA
Sept 11 Houston
Sept 18 @ Auburn
Sept 25 Open
Oct 02 @ Georgia
Oct 09 @ Florida
Oct 16 Mississippi State
Oct 23 Troy State
Oct 30 Vanderbilt
Nov 06 Open Date
Nov 13 Alabama
Nov 20 Ole MIss
Nov 28 Arkansas at Fayetteville or Little Rock
 

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I know, I know...the SEC is OVERRATED, right? Like I said in the past, why doesn't every conference conduct business like the SEC? Seems to be working quite well for them huh?

I find it funny how a handful of people seem to have everything figured out (SEC is actually weak and vastly overrated).

How is it that none of the polesters have figured out this fraud we call the SEC? :shrug:


Keep telling yourself the SEC is weak...;)
 

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Anybody who feels the SEC is superior conference is not intelligent and very ignorant.

Anybody who thinks the SEC is superior conference over the Pac 10 is not intelligent and very ignorant

Why do I make these bold statements? Not to put down anybody, but you people are useless to debate. You have "very poor" reading comprehension. I clearly proved that the SEC conference is no better than the Pac 10. I also proved that it is not superior conference. I laid out everything in an easy to read fashion. I also countered every argument you could possibly make about the SEC being superior. I showed you how the SEC has top 25 ranked teams and showed how the SEC has gotten teams in the NC title game. If you still think the SEC is superior conference, you are very ignorant. I laugh at you. I am sorry, but I just sit back in my chair and laugh. It is truly sad you not only were duped into thinking the SEC is a superior conference, but after being "proved wrong" you still think so. That is sad and very ignorant.

I also want to clarify that I do not think the SEC is a bad conference, I just do not think it is a superior conference and no better than the Pac 10. I also have little respect for the way the SEC tries and get their teams ranked in the top 25. I also feel sad for the fans of these SEC teams who have to watch these OOC games. But then again, these same fans are blinded and think the SEC is powerhouse conference. :lol:

As a result, there is nothing more to debate on this issue because I have out debated everyone. Nobody can step up to the plate. Maybe for good reason, because I clearly proved my point.

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131102

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Find me 10 teams in the country that have a tougher OOC schedule than USC next year. I would rank this OOC schedule at least top 10 in country, especially when comparing major programs.

@ V-Tech BCS classic (in Maryland so basically home game for tech)

@BYU (tradition filled program and tough tough place to play)

Colorado St. (solid program with solid coach)

ND (most traditional filled program in country and USC RIVAL)

All 4 OOC opponents will beat USC if they do not come to play. All 4 opponents can beat USC even if USC plays good game. All 4 opponents are respected programs. NO CUPCAKES! NO BYE WEEKS ON GAMEDAYS! NO DIV. 2 schools! 3/4 OOC teams have supposedly great coaches in most peoples eyes. 2/4 OOC opponents were bowl teams last year. To me, this is pretty solid OOC schedule. Remember, USC wanted MIami and OU, and Miami said no and OU stalled.

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BYU was down last year & I don't see them turning it around overnight. Why must you overhype certain games? The teams they face are ok, but you make it sound like it is the best schedule of all time.

BYU & ND are below average to average times. Va Tech is in my opinion overrated as they start off by beating up on teams then they lose one game they shouldn't then tank. Colorado State is a solid game though as Sonny runs a good ship over there.
 

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these same fans are blinded and think the SEC is powerhouse conference.

So let me get this straight. You are saying:

1. Pac10 = powerhouse conference
2. SEC = weak, non-powerhouse conference

:lol:


Scott you have once again shown us your vast knowledge of college football.
 
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