Seriously Bama?

[pplargo]

Ok
Can not believe this thread is still going actually

OK if you?re looking at Sagarins rating then the other out of conference games for Bama were

Fresno State #62 ( ahead of #68 Syracuse who beat Clemson)

Also ahead Nebraska, Maryland, BYU......

Actually, not sure why I?m even writing this post

Watching ?awesome? Miami lose to a 4-7 team

Who cares?
If Bama can beat Auburn then Georgia then they are in


My advice has always been. ?Worry about your own team?

 

[boomer1]

OK, Wisconsin played Florida Atlantic - ranked #55 by Sagarin. Right next to Texas Tech at #54. A quality team, but certainly not a great team.

Mercer is ranked #151.

Trying to compare these 2 games is laughable. Especially when it is played - deliberately before a big rivalry game for ALA, so they can get healthy. The Big 10 doesn't get those advantages. Nor does the Big 12.

mags , i wasnt comparing games just showing all teams have cupcakes on there schedules . if you dont consider fla -a a cupcake, your team is very weak .. enjoy your weekend sir

 

[Sportsaholic]

Curious how Bama and their fans feel about scheduling Mercer now.....Outside looking in now.....:shrug:

 

[boomer1]

Curious how Bama and their fans feel about scheduling Mercer now.....Outside looking in now.....:shrug:

about the same as i did friday. alabama fucked up losing to auburn , not scheduling mercer.

alabama has been in the playoffs every year so their scheduling has worked in the past .

and listen buddy if alabama doesnt get in , ill be over it before the players clear the field saturday .

 

[Mags]

mags , i wasnt comparing games just showing all teams have cupcakes on there schedules . if you dont consider fla -a a cupcake, your team is very weak .. enjoy your weekend sir

Boomer - I guess Fla Atlantic is more like a weaker conference team, based on the rankings. They are similar to, or better than, Minnesota, Florida, Kentucky, Virginia, Syracuse, et al.

A cupcake is more like Mercer and other teams ranked in the same vicinity: Old Dominion, NC A&T, New Hampshire, etc.

Changing the subject a bit - I do think Alabama is getting a raw deal. They lost to a great team. It's not like they lost to Iowa State, Syracuse, or Pittsburgh.

The committee gets so excited about "big wins" - deservedly so. But they also don't look at the other end of the spectrum: A truly great (or really good team) should not lose to a really bad team if they are truly great. Losses like that, to teams say ranked #50 or worse in Sagarin (or whatever power rankings you use) should be an automatic disqualifier. And if a team loses to a top 20 team, it should not be a death knell for them.

Disqualifying losses in my opinion (using Sagarin rankings):
Clemson losing to Syracuse - who is a really BAD, BAD team - ranked #72. Don't understand why the committee ignores this loss. It is the worst loss of any team in the top 10 - by far.
Miami losing to Pitt - another bad team, ranked #47
Oklahoma's loss is not quite as bad, as Iowa State is #25
Alabama's is very excuseable, losing to Auburn (#3)
Georgia's is also somewhat excuseable, losing to Auburn (even though it was a complete blowout)
Auburn is a tough one - BUT they lost twice - to LSU (#18) and Clemson (#2).

One thing I don't think I fully understand - is the committee trying to reward the entire season of work in picking the teams, or are they just trying to get the 4 teams that are playing the best right now? It is a big difference in strategy in choosing teams. They never really clarify that - on one hand, they talk about how good a team is playing right now as justification, then in the other breath, they talk about the "entire body of work".

It is really confusing. I am a Badger fan, and will admit their schedule hasn't been great this year. Funny how things change - last year, five of our first eight games were against teams ranked #8 or higher at the time we played them.

But, as we've seen from Clemson, Auburn, Georgia, Miami, et al - it is REALLY hard to go undefeated in college football. That has to have some value too - doesn't it?

 

[boomer1]

Boomer - I guess Fla Atlantic is more like a weaker conference team, based on the rankings. They are similar to, or better than, Minnesota, Florida, Kentucky, Virginia, Syracuse, et al.

A cupcake is more like Mercer and other teams ranked in the same vicinity: Old Dominion, NC A&T, New Hampshire, etc.

Changing the subject a bit - I do think Alabama is getting a raw deal. They lost to a great team. It's not like they lost to Iowa State, Syracuse, or Pittsburgh.

The committee gets so excited about "big wins" - deservedly so. But they also don't look at the other end of the spectrum: A truly great (or really good team) should not lose to a really bad team if they are truly great. Losses like that, to teams say ranked #50 or worse in Sagarin (or whatever power rankings you use) should be an automatic disqualifier. And if a team loses to a top 20 team, it should not be a death knell for them.

Disqualifying losses in my opinion (using Sagarin rankings):
Clemson losing to Syracuse - who is a really BAD, BAD team - ranked #72. Don't understand why the committee ignores this loss. It is the worst loss of any team in the top 10 - by far.
Miami losing to Pitt - another bad team, ranked #47
Oklahoma's loss is not quite as bad, as Iowa State is #25
Alabama's is very excuseable, losing to Auburn (#3)
Georgia's is also somewhat excuseable, losing to Auburn (even though it was a complete blowout)
Auburn is a tough one - BUT they lost twice - to LSU (#18) and Clemson (#2).

One thing I don't think I fully understand - is the committee trying to reward the entire season of work in picking the teams, or are they just trying to get the 4 teams that are playing the best right now? It is a big difference in strategy in choosing teams. They never really clarify that - on one hand, they talk about how good a team is playing right now as justification, then in the other breath, they talk about the "entire body of work".

It is really confusing. I am a Badger fan, and will admit their schedule hasn't been great this year. Funny how things change - last year, five of our first eight games were against teams ranked #8 or higher at the time we played them.

But, as we've seen from Clemson, Auburn, Georgia, Miami, et al - it is REALLY hard to go undefeated in college football. That has to have some value too - doesn't it?

i agree , undefeated is a good thing. and i have a feeling wis will be undefeated after saturday night .
and like ive said in a couple of post already this week , im cool if alabama gets left out . alabama isnt going to play for a NC every year .

as for the sagarin rankings or any other rankings for that matter , i dont pay a lot of attention to it . i hope you would agree that when a team plays alabama , that team usually gives their best effort of the year . and that would skew their ranking a little

good luck saturday night , ill be a backer at +7 for sure

boom

 

[Mags]

i agree , undefeated is a good thing. and i have a feeling wis will be undefeated after saturday night .
and like ive said in a couple of post already this week , im cool if alabama gets left out . alabama isnt going to play for a NC every year .

as for the sagarin rankings or any other rankings for that matter , i dont pay a lot of attention to it . i hope you would agree that when a team plays alabama , that team usually gives their best effort of the year . and that would skew their ranking a little

good luck saturday night , ill be a backer at +7 for sure

boom

Thanks.... Oh yea, Alabama gets everyone's "A" game - as does Ohio State, Clemson, etc. All the top teams have a target on their back, that is for sure.

I am a Bucky fan, but I need to be realistic this weekend. Our defense is good enough, I think, to hold the Cornnuts down.. the 2 big variables: is it going to be "good" JT Barrett showing up? Is it going to be at least "average" Hornibrook showing up for the Badgers?

Interesting that the line started at 2.5 (which I am sure was based on power rankings) but immediately jumped to 6.5 once the sharps bet into it. Not much love, money wise, for Bucky. But Ohio State does have two losses - so they can be beat clearly. Let's hope Bucky can do it too!

 

[ejthree]

Thanks.... Oh yea, Alabama gets everyone's "A" game - as does Ohio State, Clemson, etc. All the top teams have a target on their back, that is for sure.

I am a Bucky fan, but I need to be realistic this weekend. Our defense is good enough, I think, to hold the Cornnuts down.. the 2 big variables: is it going to be "good" JT Barrett showing up? Is it going to be at least "average" Hornibrook showing up for the Badgers?

Interesting that the line started at 2.5 (which I am sure was based on power rankings) but immediately jumped to 6.5 once the sharps bet into it. Not much love, money wise, for Bucky. But Ohio State does have two losses - so they can be beat clearly. Let's hope Bucky can do it too!

Ohio St does NOT HAVE a championship defense ... I have watched them play several times this year and their defense is VERY porous... I give Wisc a excellent chance... The two teams that can go down this weekend IMO are Okla and Auburn... Just sayn

 

[Betone]

Ohio St does NOT HAVE a championship defense ... I have watched them play several times this year and their defense is VERY porous... I give Wisc a excellent chance... The two teams that can go down this weekend IMO are Okla and Auburn... Just sayn

Why do you believe Auburn will go down this weekend?

 

[ejthree]

Why do you believe Auburn will go down this weekend?

I did not say they would said they could...I BELIEVE THE EMOTIONS (highs) they have been on the last three weeks may and i say may have taken their toll...If Gus can pull this off it will be one of the best coaching jobs i have seen in quiet sometime...If this line continues to drop think they will lose but either way i will be pulling for the Tigers...Oh the whole country will be on Auburn i promise....Think this will be a low scoring game compared to most SEC Championship games also...But i'm like Old School "I know nothing"....lol

GL Betone great accomplishment by your Tigers....

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

i hope you would agree that when a team plays alabama , that team usually gives their best effort of the year . and that would skew their ranking a little

I heard Sagarin was thinking about adjusting for this next year. Every team that plays Alabama obviously is a much better team that week and therefore Alabama should be given extra credit.

What kind of BS is this?

:mj07::mj07::mj07:

 

[boomer1]

I heard Sagarin was thinking about adjusting for this next year. Every team that plays Alabama obviously is a much better team that week and therefore Alabama should be given extra credit.

What kind of BS is this?

:mj07::mj07::mj07:

If you don't think teams make alabama and other top schools their super bowl you don't know shit about sports .

 

[53defense]

Boomer is right about that, there are always games on the schedule that you circle.

Bama is certainly one of them.

And after the opening drive of the second half, Hay-makers thrown.... The Auburn response was Epic .

Then you go out and Kick their ass on National TV,

I can see where Bama backers are upset, not used to this kind of treatment, I get that.

Its been my experience in a fist fight, better to throw more than you eat... and Bama did a lot of eatin second half.

Gotta be tough though, to have that effort your last of the season, waitin on Playoff/Bowl

How they react to that loss only time will tell.

But keep this in mind ....If you are not dying, or goin to jail, you have no problems.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

If you don't think teams make alabama and other top schools their super bowl you don't know shit about sports .

I know. Sagarin is looking into this for you.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

:142smilie

 

[TLankford]

I did not say they would said they could...I BELIEVE THE EMOTIONS (highs) they have been on the last three weeks may and i say may have taken their toll...If Gus can pull this off it will be one of the best coaching jobs i have seen in quiet sometime...If this line continues to drop think they will lose but either way i will be pulling for the Tigers...Oh the whole country will be on Auburn i promise....Think this will be a low scoring game compared to most SEC Championship games also...But i'm like Old School "I know nothing"....lol

GL Betone great accomplishment by your Tigers....

Sheeeeeeeeit. Did you watch the 2013 season? Talk about emotionally taxing games. I don't see this as a letdown game at all for Auburn just because of how heated the rivalry is and the history between the two teams recently, both on the field and recruiting. A lot of these players have a lot to prove still after getting beat by guys they've been playing against for years - some in highschool.

I agree on the low scoring game. Our defense is firing on all cylinders and has been for almost the entire season... and I'm hesitant to say that because I don't put the LSU 2H on the Defense that was on special teams and horrible horrible offensive playcalling that kept them on the field all game. I do think UGA is more likely to hit one of the big plays they were unable to in the 1st matchup, but Stidham has been lights out for 6 weeks now. If Kerryon is healthy I think we win by 17+ again. If not I could see it being a close game - Even though I really love Martin too. Just not sure if he can carry the load for a whole game the way we like to run it 25-30 times

 

[TLankford]

I heard Sagarin was thinking about adjusting for this next year. Every team that plays Alabama obviously is a much better team that week and therefore Alabama should be given extra credit.

What kind of BS is this?

:mj07::mj07::mj07:

There was a thread on here 1-2 years ago about teams scheduling bye weeks before playing Bama. It was something absurd for a few seasons where 7-8 teams scheduled their bye or played a Mercer/Citadel type school the week before Bama

Found an email talking about it with my UA friends from a couple years ago - 2015 4 teams had a bye the week before bama and UGA, OMiss, and Auburn played cupcakes.

It would be impossible to quantify that into a SOS and honestly I don't think it should be taken into account by the committee just because it's a simple fact of Bama being a product of their environment. You have the most talent on the field in every game you've played the last half decade... if teams want to schedule their games a certain way to account for that it's just too bad. When you start bringing intangibles into the playoff selection process a lot of people are gonna get the raw end of the deal and be upset.

 

[TLankford]

Having said all that:

A) Bama doesn't deserve to be in the playoff if OU, Wisconsin, Auburn, and Clemson win on Saturday. There has to be some weight with winning your conference. And I know last year they went directly against that but still it needs to be a factor or else why make those teams play an extra game that's probably against a damn good opponent.

B) If Bama gets in the playoff they better have a new OC, new QB or have the wishbone installed. Daboll is not good at calling plays. No idea how he's the OC at a top program he's fucking bad (see ratio of carries for RBs vs. QB in the Iron Bowl) Also, said it a few times over the past 2 seasons and got a lot of flack for it but Hurts was not good last year and hasn't gotten better this year. If you keep him in check on the ground he's pretty awful at beating people with his arm. Found this on another board that illustrates it pretty clearly:

Jalen hasn't progressed. His stat lines against teams with a good defense
LSU 2016- 10/19 107 yards, 0 TD
Washington 2016- 7/14 57 yards, 0 TD
Clemson 2016- 13/31 131 yards, 1 TD
FSU 2017- 10/18 96 yards, 1 TD
LSU 2017- 11/24 183 yards, 1 TD
Auburn 2017 12/22 122 yards, 1 TD

C) If you've watched college football for the last 9 years...... the likelihood of B) coming to fruition via "the right teams losing" in order for Bama to get in - is incredibly high. :142smilie Remember 2011 when ISU beat #2 OSU, USC beat #4 UO, and Baylor beat #5 OU THE WEEK AFTER BAMA LOST TO LSU

Yea. Not counting Bama out of the playoffs yet.

 

[boomer1]

Having said all that:

A) Bama doesn't deserve to be in the playoff if OU, Wisconsin, Auburn, and Clemson win on Saturday. There has to be some weight with winning your conference. And I know last year they went directly against that but still it needs to be a factor or else why make those teams play an extra game that's probably against a damn good opponent.

B) If Bama gets in the playoff they better have a new OC, new QB or have the wishbone installed. Daboll is not good at calling plays. No idea how he's the OC at a top program he's fucking bad (see ratio of carries for RBs vs. QB in the Iron Bowl) Also, said it a few times over the past 2 seasons and got a lot of flack for it but Hurts was not good last year and hasn't gotten better this year. If you keep him in check on the ground he's pretty awful at beating people with his arm. Found this on another board that illustrates it pretty clearly:

Jalen hasn't progressed. His stat lines against teams with a good defense
LSU 2016- 10/19 107 yards, 0 TD
Washington 2016- 7/14 57 yards, 0 TD
Clemson 2016- 13/31 131 yards, 1 TD
FSU 2017- 10/18 96 yards, 1 TD
LSU 2017- 11/24 183 yards, 1 TD
Auburn 2017 12/22 122 yards, 1 TD

C) If you've watched college football for the last 9 years...... the likelihood of B) coming to fruition via "the right teams losing" in order for Bama to get in - is incredibly high. :142smilie Remember 2011 when ISU beat #2 OSU, USC beat #4 UO, and Baylor beat #5 OU THE WEEK AFTER BAMA LOST TO LSU

Yea. Not counting Bama out of the playoffs yet.

i agree with what you have said . if the 4 teams mentioned above win saturday the playoffs are set .

i guess the question would be what happens if osu and or tcu wins..

imo alabama gets the nod over either of these teams . would you agree?

 

[TLankford]

TCU doesn't need to be within 100 miles of a playoff game. If they somehow beat OU then I think Bama is 100% in (assuming all other chalk wins)

If OSU wins then I think it is a very tough decision and both Bama and OSU have cases for and against them. I'd hate to be in the selection committee room if AU/Clemson/OU/OSU win this weekend.

Bama has "better losses" but absolutely no wins to really make a case for... not their fault but it's a fact.

OSU has "better wins" but having already lost to another team that would be in as well as the black eye of that Iowa game.

Sadly I don't think USC could even make a case if they win because their wins are about as impressive as Bama's but their losses are almost as bad as OSU.

If I had to pick - I'd say OSU "should" get in just because there should be some weight on winning your conference.

If I had to bet - I'd say Bama simply because everyone thought they were a cut above the rest for the first 7-8 weeks of the season. ***If the committee goes so far as to look into injuries, they shouldn't put Bama in... that defense is just not a playoff defense with the unfortunate slew of injuries at LB.


I think the bigger clusterfuck is if:

UGA, OSU, and OU win. ACC Champ seems automatic even though Miami got embarrassed by Pitt.

But if UGA wins does that have any bearing on Bama's chances - I'd say yes because putting Bama in the playoffs with Auburn, who they've already lost to very recently, vs. Putting Bama in with UGA, who they haven't played yet - makes more sense as far as the "you already had your shot vs _____" case goes

 

[boomer1]

TCU doesn't need to be within 100 miles of a playoff game. If they somehow beat OU then I think Bama is 100% in (assuming all other chalk wins)

If OSU wins then I think it is a very tough decision and both Bama and OSU have cases for and against them. I'd hate to be in the selection committee room if AU/Clemson/OU/OSU win this weekend.

Bama has "better losses" but absolutely no wins to really make a case for... not their fault but it's a fact.

OSU has "better wins" but having already lost to another team that would be in as well as the black eye of that Iowa game.

Sadly I don't think USC could even make a case if they win because their wins are about as impressive as Bama's but their losses are almost as bad as OSU.

If I had to pick - I'd say OSU "should" get in just because there should be some weight on winning your conference.

If I had to bet - I'd say Bama simply because everyone thought they were a cut above the rest for the first 7-8 weeks of the season. ***If the committee goes so far as to look into injuries, they shouldn't put Bama in... that defense is just not a playoff defense with the unfortunate slew of injuries at LB.


I think the bigger clusterfuck is if:

UGA, OSU, and OU win. ACC Champ seems automatic even though Miami got embarrassed by Pitt.

But if UGA wins does that have any bearing on Bama's chances - I'd say yes because putting Bama in the playoffs with Auburn, who they've already lost to very recently, vs. Putting Bama in with UGA, who they haven't played yet - makes more sense as far as the "you already had your shot vs _____" case goes

i think we are on the same page . i know its self serving to say i think alabama gets in over osu but i do. you seem to think osu's wins are more impressive than i do.they came back from the dead and beat penn st by 1 at home and i guess wis would be their next best win this saturday. and as for bamas loss , i dont think there is a team in the country that could have beat auburn at home the last two week...

i truly hope you guys win and get in saturday...gl