Shula off base ???

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Shula off base

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
November 6, 2007



Every year, the 1972 Miami Dolphins pop champagne when the final undefeated team loses, preserving their 17-0 squad as the last to enjoy a perfect season. It's a rite of autumn in the NFL.

But now, here comes the New England Patriots, and if ever the cork was staying put, this is the threat. They've blown out eight opponents, beat their only perceived equal on the road, and now stare down history in a way perhaps like no one previously.

So leave it to Don Shula to start the tarnishing, start the mud slinging.

The Hall of Fame former Dolphins coach claimed to the New York Daily News that because the Pats were caught filming the New York Jets defensive signals from the sidelines in the season opener ? a violation of league rules ? that a 19-0 season would be marred and that an asterisk could be attached to it.

"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," Shula told the paper. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it."

Ah, not really.

Shula certainly has the right to an opinion on the Patriots, but if it isn?t going to be fact-based then it rings hollow and desperate in a way that is far beneath him.

This isn't to defend the Patriots or Bill Belichick for that blatant and calculated bit of cheating. It was an embarrassment for the franchise and its coach.

The NFL was right to fine Belichick $500,000, the team $250,000 and take a first-round draft pick (or a second- and third-round pick were the Patriots to somehow miss the playoffs). It should have gone further and suspended Belichick for the second Jets game this season.

But the facts of the crime are clear ? New England was caught filming Jets coaches during the first half of the first quarter of the first game of the season. The first time the Patriots employee operating the camera tried to head to the locker room, he was stopped by NFL security and forced to hand over the incriminating evidence.

New England's coaches never got to watch the tape. The filming constituted cheating and the intent was obvious. But thanks to what is now a convenient bit of circumstance, to say the Patriots gained an advantage from the film is inaccurate. They couldn't have.

The reality is New England hasn?t gotten anything out of the so-called "Spygate" this season except deserved national scorn.

Shula also raised the issue of alleged past filming, but tape of defensive signals from past seasons would be mostly useless. NFL teams constantly update their movements, even week to week, since it isn't against NFL rules to film the coaches' signals from other areas of the stadium.

New England was trying to get a real-time, in-game advantage. The NFL confiscated previous season tapes and destroyed them without further punishing the Pats.

Shula even accuses NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell of covering up past crimes, which is a strong allegation that the league, naturally, denies.

"I think the commissioner just wanted it to go away," Shula said.

Vast conspiracy theories aside, the debate here is about this season and this season only.

If you want to project back on previous seasons ? where allegations of similar conduct, among other stories, exist ? and even question the legitimacy of New England's three Super Bowls, hey, that's what Belichick has wrought upon the franchise. The Patriots have no moral high ground to stand on.

But for this year, considering the severity of the punishment and the level of outrage, you could even argue that New England is possibly the cleanest team in the league.

However, Shula is arguing forward just in case New England wins its next 10 games, Super Bowl included.

"(The NFL's punishments) tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found," Shula told the paper. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record."

Of course there could be some back story at play here beyond Shula's interest in preserving the unique greatness of that Dolphins team.

It starts, naturally, with Belichick. One of the Pats coach's closest friends and chief prot?g?s is Nick Saban, who took over the Dolphins from 2005-06, ran them into the ground, fled in a heap of lies only to replace Shula's own son, Mike, at Alabama.

There is also New England's 21-game win streak over the course of the 2003 and '04 seasons that some Patriots players tried to equate to the Dolphins 17-0 season, which Shula at that point claimed wasn't the same.

Whatever it is, Shula has this one wrong.

While it will certainly play well to the growing anti-Patriots crowd nationally, regardless of intent and even giving thanks to fortuitous timing, New England is in the clear this season.

The facts are the facts, the timeline is the timeline, no matter how Shula wants to spin it.
 

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i used to like shula. he's making 'himself' look bad, imo.
 

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Heading out to work

just got here, slept late for some reason. feels like afternoon.

have a good one.
 

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Super Bowl Appearances: 5: IV (1972 Cowboys 24, Dolphins 3), VII (1973 Dolphins 14, Redskins 7), VIII (1974 Dolphins 24, Vikings 7), XVII (1983 Redskins 27, Dolphins 17), XIX (1985 49ers 38, Dolphins 16)
Super Bowl Wins: 2: VII (1973), VIII (1974)
Hall of Fame Players: Nick Buoniconti ?01, Larry Csonka ?87, Bob Griese ?90, Jim Langer ?87, Larry Little ?93, Dan Marino ?05, Don Shula ?97 (coach), Dwight Stephenson ?98, Thurman Thomas ?07, Paul Warfield ?83

Stadium: Dolphins Stadium, 1987

Fun Fact: The Dolphins completed the NFL's only undefeated season in 1972, winning Super Bowl VII to finish 17?0.


Considering that the Miami franchise has not been to the mountain top since 1974 and they haven't been to the Super Bowl since 1985 where they got their lunch handed to them[2 field goals in the course of the last 3 quarters of play] it is never a surprise that each year that a team takes a run at their undefeated season they whine like a bunch of spoiled brats..

GEZZZZZZZ..........

FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO HOLD ONTO ALREADY..
 

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What a fricking joke. Baby Shula should be careful or the glass house he's living in might fall down on his old crusty curmudgeonly head.

Part of the quotes from Shula I heard on the radio said that the harshness of the punishment and loss of a first round pick indicate the severity of the cheating. I thought he was joking at first.

Hmmm.

Lets go back in time.

Its 1969 and Shula is the coach of the Colts. He negotiates and signs a new deal with the Dolphins starting in the 1970 season. Oh wait. The only problem is he was still the Colts coach at the time. The NFL investigated Shula and the Dolphins for tampering, found them guilty and docked them a first round draft pick. So if the loss of a first round pick is indicitave of severe cheating in his eyes and warrants an asterisk for the Pats, does that mean he should have one on his whole coaching career since he and the Dolphins cheated to get him his next job?

Don, please be quiet. People respect a great coach's opinion. They dont respect a blatant hypocrite.
 

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i'm actually rooting for the dolphins to be the first team to go 0-16 in a season. This way all those morons can get together and pop their champagne corks as a franchise of winners AND losers.
 

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And that unbeaten season was really not all that impressive. They had a very soft schedule - only played 2 teams that ended up with winning records, and they were only 8-6 each. They played no division champion or even playoff team in the regular season. I don't consider them even close to being one of the greatest teams ever. I would like to see their smug self-toasting come to an end.
 

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And that unbeaten season was really not all that impressive. They had a very soft schedule - only played 2 teams that ended up with winning records, and they were only 8-6 each. They played no division champion or even playoff team in the regular season. I don't consider them even close to being one of the greatest teams ever. I would like to see their smug self-toasting come to an end.

here, here

the talk of them being the greatest team ever is sickening (and i'm pretty sure i read somewhere that our buddy don shula said the 73 dolphins were actually better than the 72 dophins)......from the tapes i've watched of them during that season, they were a good team but no way could hold a candle to the 85 bears the 89niners, the 78 steelers (and possibly the 07 pats if they win it all)......in fact, i believe that dolphin team was "so good and so dominating" they were 7 point underdogs to pit in the afc title game plus the winning percentage of their opponents was a paltry .367 or an average of only five wins per opponent.

only team to finish unbeaten? yes, correct and that's an accpmlishment (congrats on mopping up on that schedule)
but
greatest team ever? please.
 

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Seems to me everyone is missing the point.!!!
Granted, what Shula said is disappointing.!! He
is a class act. Lets just say, WHAT IF the Patriots
don't get caught CHEATING oin this 1st game with
the Jets. Do the Pats STILL cheat in there 2nd,
3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th, and 8th without getting
caught. Lets face it. If they don't get caught
cheating with the jets in the 1st game, they
would INDEED be cheating for the remainder
of the schedule. What would STOP from cheating
if they didn't get CAUGHT. So therefore,
technically this season is tainted.!!! Hard to say for
sure, because they got caught in game 1 of the
season. DEFINITELY something to PONDER here.
Just food for thought. Seems like everyone is
ganging up on what Coach Shula said. And really,its
NOT what he said, but how he said it.!!!! Sometimes people should think before they speak.
In this case, Shula wasn't far from the truth when
calling the Pats cheaters. Lets face it folks, They
would have CONTINUED cheating had they not
got caught, and that's a FACT everyone has to
live with.!!!!!!! It's too bad that Shula couldn't have
used BETTER words to Explain just that.!!!!!
 

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I have less respect for Shula backing off than saying it.

Stick to your comments.
THEY WERE DEAD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EXCLAMATION POINT.
 

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You are RIGHT ON Senor

You are RIGHT ON Senor

Especially the bit about it being the 1st half of the 1st Q of the 1st game of the season. Who cares what might have happened IF my aunt had balls, etc....

Tom Brady was talking about how he likes being the rebels of the NFL. The best part being he was talking about being a bad boy while wearing a crushed velvet suit.
 

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Why is he even being addressed as Coach Shula anyways? He hasn't coached in 30 years, on MNF I don't hear hey Coach Madden what do you think of that play! Shula is obviously scared that his perfect season will fall this year, and for good reason. And I don't recall hearing anything from Shula until the Pats beat the Colts. Why didn't Shula state after the Jets game what his feelings were. And as mentioned greatest team ever is actually humorous as his 72 Dolphins had one of the softest schedules in the NFL! I thought Shula was a class act but he is obviously just a senile old man grasping onto a little slice of NFL legacy. And as stated by acehistr8 Shula was found guilty of tampering and that cost his team a first round draft pick. So if Shula was accused of severe cheating why is he so riled up over the Pats sideline taping. And DocHoliday, don't you realize that all NFL teams are doing the exact same thing that Belichick did? Only thing is now the Pats are probably the only team that is totally clean. Hey gjn23 I too would love to see Miami go 0-16 this year which is quite possible and NE going 19-0 which is also quite possible, after that maybe Shula will be put in an old folks home where he belongs. And I do believe the Pats play Miami second to last game of the season. Can you imagine the ass whoopin the Pats will lay on them just for baby Shula and his remarks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Who cares about what "Coach" Shula's opinion is.

Facts are facts. Pats got caught cheating. League punished them and their COACH.

If they run the table, they run the table. No one can say they do not have a great team this year, cheating or not. Seems the cheating didnt really play a role in thier winning anyhow at least this year. Once a cheater, always a cheater???? I don't think so at least in this scenario. If they win it all kudos to them. If they don't win it all, old dolphins can drink their champagne. The record won't last forever. Why is everyone bent out of shape over one EXcoachs opinion anyhow? :shrug:
 
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