Sorry, but that was a joke. . .

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People, this is baseball. . . to call an all star game because of a tie shows the world that this is no longer a game. . . its all about money and NOTHING else. Brenly said it perfectly when he said that he didn't feel right sending his pitcher out for another inning because it may hurt the team that pays that pitcher his salary! What a freaking joke!

There's something very wrong with what happened tonight IMO when you look at it from this perspective.
 

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BASEBALL IS A PUSS SPORT and I know I will have Fletcher (sorry Fletch) hunting me down , w/o getting Spec throw anybody out , mom ,PA , whatever USA wants a WINNER, this eve is totally :thefinger in line with the ATTITUDE of BaseorrrrrBall.
 

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you guys are nuts:confused: it's a freaking all star game not the nlcs or something a manager cannot take a chance by running out someones stud just for an extra few innings of free baseball and you sure as hell cannot take a position player and take the chance of ending hid caree by trying to pitch and they couldnot send anyone out because there was noone left all players were used.there is no reentry rule in baseball.

bitch all you want but it was the right call not the one some fans wanted but tell that to there mariners or philly and they will be glad of the out come.

the all star game shouldnot even be played its worth less its just for people to see all the big names in 1 place if they are lucky enough to see it live.

and as far as baseball sucks your allowed to have you veiw on things the same way i feel soccer and hockey suck but hey thats life. don't think i will lose sleep over it ,but to tell me hockey is not boreing or soccer way less action then baseball but that is my veiw,so we agree to diagree thats all. but the right call was made and there is nothing you can say to prove it was not the right call,philly and mariners had already called club house and said thats it trust me it wasnot bud ,joe or bob it was the teams who didnot want to see their 2 stars going any longer,those were front office calls trust me on that.
 

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Sorry, but if a pitcher cannot go more than a couple innings on ANY GIVEN DAY (as long as there is not a significant injury), then they don't deserve the millions of dollars they are making. . . just a view from a fellow athlete.

Of course this is merely an All Star game and not THAT significant. . . and I understand that you were a manager for a team in the past so your view should be slanted towards that outlook, but I am a fan of baseball. . . part of the vast number of fans across the country that pay the salaries of those players on the field. . . and that call to end the game in a tie was horseshit and you said it yourself that money was the deciding factor. There's just something wrong with that IMO but I can understand where you're coming from.
 

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Well for the first time ever, I agree with you on this one Nickle.

There was only one thing that was even more of a joke, and that was your boy Kim's performance. :)

Enjoy the second half, you guys are in second place right?
 

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It was a judgment call pure and simple. Whether it was the right call to play 11 innings, who knows? Garcia said afterwards he could've gone another inning. Frankly, I would've liked to see another inning or two at the very least.

That said, baseball would've really made a fan-friendly statement by letting them play on. The symbolism is apparent. By the way they handled it tonight, Commissioner Selig and MLB seemingly screwed the fans in attendance (and those listening and watching). That's too bad, because as for the final result, seriously, it really doesn't matter. It's an exhibition/showcase.

Baseball may be "boring" to some. There isn't a sport I can think of where purity, storied history and individual statistics are such a huge part of the game. That alone makes baseball stand out among the rest. Not to mention, it is perhaps the easiest sport to handicap.
 
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Kim was a huge disappointment. . . no question about it. . .

And I'm definitely concerned about the 2nd half as this DBacks' team has had trouble the past couple years after the All Star break. Dodgers are in a very good position IMO. . . I still think the DBacks will get in the playoffs even if it comes down to getting the Wild Card and there isn't a team in baseball that's ready to face them in a series when they can utilize Johnson and Schilling to their fullest.

Should be a very interesting 2nd half indeed!
 

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Sorry Fletch, but I gotta disagree with you on this one. Baseball is the one sport out of the four major sports (and most minor sports) that is not based on time. Some games last an hour and 59 minutes, some games last 5 hours. That, in and of itself, is part of the beauty of the game. Regardless of how long the game takes or how many innings it goes, one thing has always been a given......."We'll just keep on playing until somebody wins this game......" It's difficult to even put baseball and "tie" in the same sentence together. It doesn't even look right. In addition, baseball is the only sport where it's All-Star game is taken somewhat seriously. Yes, it's still an exhibition, but it's much more than that. I mean, this isn't the pro bowl on ESPN2 that nobody watches. Some of the most memorable moments in baseball have occured in All-Star games.

As far as the explanation that they ran out of pitchers, that's a cop-out. Pure and simple. Most games that I have watched, there is usually 1 pitcher (or more) that doesn't get into the game, And this is the exact reason why. Usually it's a starter who's normally scheduled to pitch that day and it's decided on before the game even starts. The manager goes up to......let's say.......Glavine or Smoltz and says "Hey.....you've been in 12 All-Star games, how do you feel about being our emergency pitcher in case the game goes into extra innings. Can ya give me 80 or so pitches?" Obviously that didn't happen tonight, so let's move on to another alternative. Each team still had 9 BASEBALL players out there. Surely somebody could have taken the hill and got the ball somewhere in the vicinity of home plate. If Scott Rolen or whoever can throw a lazer shot from 3B to nail a guy at first, surely he can get up there and throw a few eephus pitches. I mean, pitchers hit. Why can't batters pitch? The risk of injury of this is overrated and due mainly to when Canseco blew out his arm trying to throw a split-fingered knuckle-curve. There's already been 9 instances this year when a position player took the hill and took one for the team. In all of these instances, nobody was injured and more importantly, THEY COMPLETED THE DAMN GAME. Bottom line, you just can't have an All-Star game end in a tie. It's just not right.
 

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Oh.........and speaking of memorable moments in All-Star games, that catch by Torii Hunter is one I won't be forgetting soon.
 

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Granted I would've liked to have seen somebody win the game, but come on!! Like Fletch said this is a freaking All-star game....not really worthy of getting worked up over in my opinion. How long would you have let them play anyway? These guys were the last pitchers available -- capable of throwing several more scoreless innings -- so would you have let it go on all night...until there was a winner period? I realize injuries could happen anytime but as a fan of the Seattle Mariners I'd be pretty disgusted if Garcia got injured somewhere along the line (after the 11th)....and for what?? So they could determine a winner in the All-Star game?? Surely you can see how the managers can feel that type of pressure from the other teams. Everybody is trying to achieve a SEASON GOAL. Is it fair to any of the teams to put any extra (unneccessary?) risk of injury to their player (and thus possibly a different season result) for the sake of determining the outcome of ONE GAME :confused: :nono: The tie shouldn't take away from the fact that it was a well-played and entertaining game.

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that ok jr and you all are right there is supposed to be a winner and up intill about 95 it was played to win and you had more then just 1 pitcher left on bench you would have a couple and at least 2 position players left that sometimes didnot get in the were saved by the manager incase this happened. but its not played like that any and that is why i say it shouldnot be played when 2 days before you have a manager who says my main concern is to make sure i get everyone in,well what the hell does that mean. and they both did and thats why it ended like that but for this game the managing members of each team do not have the right nor can they take the chance of hurting another teams player . and they know that. if it was played right would never happen anyway.

as for it looking bad so be it what has not of late looked bad for baseball. thats just the nature of what is going on.

ps in spring training you only go 10 because of the number of pitchers you have on hand almost the same thing here ,if they have an extra arm they will go to 12 tops so its all for a reason as bad as it might look.
 
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Somebody tell Ray Fosse it's only an exhibition game :shrug:

Though today they make more money in a week than he did all year back then ;)
 

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Fell asleep ( as I usually do watching baseball ) right after Omar
tied game, woke up to the chants of " let them play " in my
dazed condition I thought the owners locked them out or something....what a sorry state for the game...flip a coin or have a hot dog or beer guzzling contest for the victory....:) sheesh
COME ON FOOTBALL SEASON....
 

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OK.......
FLETCH IS RIGHT..GROW UP YOU GUYS!

THE WHOLE THING WAS A SHAM ANYWAY,.......

DID YOU SEE THE WAY THEY GROVED THE PITCHES FOR BONDS HR? (CRANK UP THE VCR & CK IT OUT...) JUST LIKE BP HE INDICATED WHERE HE WANTED IT PITCHED..AFTER HE TIMED THE PITCHER .......THE TWINS KID PROBABLY WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION SO AFTER THAT FIRST TIME YOU GROVE ONE FOR HIM?
SET UP JUST LIKE PRO WRESTLING SHOW!!!!

THEN TRIED TO COVER IT UP AFTERWARDS BY COMMING INSIDE TO SAMMY LOTS OF BS!!! JUST A SHOW FOR THE FANS.....

BTW I DID NOT BET IT..REAL ACTION WAS WNBA LAST NIGHT!

JMO:

WHY?
 

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who cares who wins

who cares who wins

The only people who really care who wins the game are people like me who had money on the game. Otherwise, IT'S AN EXHIBITION GAME for fans to get to see the best players in the game ( supposedly). If you want to have some alternatives: expand the roster with 4 or 5 more pitchers, or determine the game will go 9 innings regardless of who's ahead and that way the managers can "manage" the game to get every player in the game ( so THE FAN GETS WHAT HE WANTS) which is to see the best players. Come one, who really cares who wins the game.

All star games in the other major sports are A JOKE anyway when you consider the Pro Bowl game where no one wants to risk injury, the hockey all star game where no one hits or checks anyone, and the NBA game where it run and gun and no defense.
They did the only thing they could under the circumstance.
Just my 2 cents.
Good luck to everyone in the second half ( when the games really count)... and don't forget, football is just around the corner.
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interesting opinions....

interesting opinions....

But I gotta say, as entertaining as it might have been for us to see a position player pitch in the All-Star game, can you imagine if you had taken the A.L. side on the ML, and in the 13th inning, Omar Vizquel has to pitch and gives up the game-winning hit to Luis Castillo? What a way to lose the game!:eek:

Now it seems the actual game takes a back seat to the pre-game ceremonies. It made me wanna puke to see a bunch of kids mob and show affection to Barry Bonds as he made his way onto the field. Man, how fake was that? There just isn't that AL/NL rivalry anymore. The players can all say they want to "win" the game, but seriously, they just want to leave without injury and having had a good time. Ahh, the new corporate environment that is Major League Baseball.......;)
 

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whatever happened to playing for the love of the game, or for the joy of competing?

whatever happened to the attitude of playing for the fans?

Jordan always said that he would always give his best effort every night because he was playing for the possibility of the one fan who may never see him play again. Such respect for the game and for the fan is nonexistent in this culture of greed that has developed in the game of baseball.

Every night a guy goes out there he can injure himself. One game a year for the enjoyment of the fans I guess is a little to much to ask of these overpaid wusses. Get your ass out there and throw a couple extra innings, and if you have to, move to LF and bring in the LF to pitch until the game is decided and play the thing out. People pay lots of money to watch baseball games and if you can't be a man and put your heart into the midsummer classic and consider yourself honored to be adored by millions of people and the hero and role model of fans, then go ahead and be a quitter.

That made me sick to my stomach last night. Pure competitiveness should be respected whether playing horse for a pop or playing out an all star game.
 

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Problem #1 was having 5-6 damn closers on the squad. #2 you always manage withe the realization the extra innings is a possibility. Solution, expand the rosters in the future.
It was priceless, right decision or wrong to see Selig booed. Need a new commish BADLY.
 

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Dr. Freeze....post of the month.

Outstanding perspective on things.

I was laughing because baseball was getting what it deserved, but I was also proud of the fans who stood up and booed the decision.

The players and powers that be have TOTALLY lost touch with reality.

It wasn't just a "meaningless" exhibition game. This game was the most high-profile game of the season, expt to a World Series of league championship series game. If you want to call off Tampa Bay-Detroit games after 11 innings, few people would care. But when 40 million people are watching your FEATURE game of the year, the vent DEMANDS closure. A winner must be decided.

QUICK THOUGHTS: Would they have called off the Home Run contest if two players were battling it out and it went 2-3 hours?
 

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Freeze - for once, I agree with you. Excellent post. And for people that say the All-Star game is a "meaningless" game, you either have no appreciation for the history of the game or you have blinders on.

And Nolan, the All-Star game is THE most high profile game of the season. More so than even the World Series. Maybe not the most important, but certainly the most high profile. And that is EXACTLY my point. The All-Star game is for the fans. Remember them? The one's that pay these guy's salaries. Everything involved in this game is revolved around the fan, all the way down to the fans voting on who they want to see play.

And injuries? Come on now. There is no greater chance of injury during an All-Star game than any other game. In fact, there is probably less. But even so, is the minute risk of an injury occuring worth a blatant disrespect of the fans? To just pick up your ball and go home? Baseball, from the commisioner's office all the way down to the players on the field don't give a rat's ass about the fan. For an example of this, see All-Star Game 2002.
 
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