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Minorities pay heavy toll in Iraq

It is unfortunate that 38 young New Yorkers have already been killed in the Iraq war.

And now that, in full electoral mode, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld are again trying to put the blindfold back over the eyes of Americans, only God knows how many more will be lost.

That is why a three-part series by Eva Sanchis, a reporter for the Spanish-language daily El Diario-La Prensa, published last month, is so important.

Sanchis shines a powerful light on the disproportionate contribution in blood and guts of immigrant and minority communities to this senseless war. According to her second article, dated Aug. 29, of the 38 New Yorkers killed, 21 were Hispanic, eight black, four Asian and five white.

"The impact of the war on minority communities has been brutal," Sanchis said. The figures "confirm that minorities are making a greater sacrifice."

A large number of the dead are immigrants, although the rabid anti-immigration crowd conveniently ignores this fact. Directly related to this tragic toll are Sanchis' findings about how intense recruitment efforts are in minority communities.

"An analysis of the location of the Armed Forces' 26 recruitment centers in the city, listed in their Web page, show that most are located in the poorest neighborhoods."

Recruiters find fertile ground there.

"Poor young people need work, training, scholarships, but these are so scarce that they join the military not realizing that this is an institution created for war and not an employment program," said Anne Durston, of the pacifist organization American Friends Service Committee.

Three of the five recruitment centers in the Bronx are in the South Bronx; six of eight in Brooklyn are in Crown Heights, Flatbush, East Flatbush, Fort Green, East New York and Greenpoint, and the four in Queens are in the immigrant neighborhoods of Elmhurst, Flushing, Jamaica and Long Island City. In Manhattan, three of six centers are in Hispanic and black areas.

In Morris Heights, in the South Bronx, 58 people joined one of the three branches in 2004.

"Yet, in the upper East Side, the richest neighborhood in the city, which is 77% white and has a per-capita income of $67,010, only seven people enlisted in 2004," Sanchis said. Not one center is located in this area.

An Armed Forces spokesperson told Sanchis that they "are not trying to go after any specific ethnic groups."

But Sanchis disagrees. She quotes 2004 Defense Department statistics published by the American Friends Service Committee's Peacework Magazine: Although 51% of city residents are Hispanic and black, a whopping 70.4% of the recruits in 2004 belonged to these two groups. Hispanics made up 37% of the recruits and blacks 33.4%.

The series struck a nerve with El Diario readers. Sanchiz has received an inordinate amount of e-mails and phone calls. Some, like a Dominican father who we will not identify, shared their own bitter experience with the recruitment tactics.

"My only son was seduced three months ago and joined, but by what I read in his letters he is tired of the Army. I don't know where they are sending him. The sergeant who recruited him told me that it would be for only three months.

"From the day he left I have been in great pain, he is my only son. I would like to get in touch with some groups that oppose this kind of recruitment. Please, send me their addresses if at all possible. Thank you."

Let Sanchis' findings be a wakeup call for immigrant and minority young people and their parents all over the city.
 

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Check out the homicide rates in New York and report back if you see anything disproportionate.

Personally would rather have family member killed serving country than killed committing crime or by some gangbanger on the street--but thats just me.

Believe Eva Snatchis might direct her energy in other areas other than country defence--immigration abuse--homicide- illegitimacy rates ect of minorities--should keep her busy for a while.
 

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DTB I think since you and I were in things have changed. I would say the volunteer system is part of reason, and yes sad to say requirements have been lowered. But that should not be a total excuse for who signs up.
 

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If it was up to me.............

If it was up to me.............

Just like Israel everyone has a 2 year commitment to do national service if needed...no exceptions
If your not fit for combat u can empty bed pans at Walter Reed or peel potatoes....no exceptions for blue bloods or any other group that has been way under represented in service to our nation.
It sickens me that some have to serve 3 tours of duty because we can find enough big mouth talkers to enlist. When you see the flies attack a wounded GI in Baghdad you may think twice before you send our sons and daughters on another of these fiascos.Had Mr Bush junior been where he was sup to be he may have agonized more as did his father before pursuing his folly.
Another point................If it was up to me!!!!

if you want to ever serve in the highest office in our land you better plan on a 2 year enlistment.
And yes i know we would have missed FDR and William Jefferson Clinton.
 

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Just like Israel everyone has a 2 year commitment to do national service if needed...no exceptions.
I would be completely in favor of that too. No deferments, no favoritism - all must do a stint in some kind of national service.
 

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Hammer your not all wrong on your thoughts. We are either at war or were just fooling around. If this is as Bush says everyday the rest of our lives are on the bubble. WE should do more as Israel does with ALL stepping up.
 

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I would be completely in favor of that too. No deferments, no favoritism - all must do a stint in some kind of national service.


I'm sure that would put an end to much of the yapping from the armchair warriors who get a hard on when we flex our military might, no matter how foolish the cause (sic). No offense to you personally, Gardenweasel.
 

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I'm sure that would put an end to much of the yapping from the armchair warriors who get a hard on when we flex our military might, no matter how foolish the cause (sic). No offense to you personally, Gardenweasel.

You should stop talking about thisbe cause its giving garden weasel and dogs flashbacks of Canada.
 

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By the way Spnoge.............

By the way Spnoge.............

Welcome......we need an other voice of sanity
around here to counteract the diaper wearing Neo Cons.

What ????????????????? someone think Rummy Cheney, Wolfowitz and Dumya are "Cotton Free"

Check that flight suit George wore on the carrier
Looked dbled up ta me
Cheney.............5 Deferments ????????? Sounds to me like a regular "Pampers" client.
Dumya ?????????? Last i heard they found a "Crack" pipe in the closet George was hiding in
when he went AWOL from duty way back when.

Wolfowitz..not permitted to talk about him.

Can't recall Rummys contribution at the moment
but i know for a fact he did not distinguish himself valiantly.
 

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You should stop talking about thisbe cause its giving garden weasel and dogs flashbacks of Canada.
Dogs more than did his time in Vietnam - wouldn't wish that crap on anyone. Weasel got stuck between wars, which may explain his posts which tend to be stuck inbetween ....well, everything.

As for AR, well that's another story. He's full of as much shame about being an anti-establishment hippie in his youth as I am of being a bible-thumping hypocrite Reagan-loving bitch.
 

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Right. I also welcome your imput, Sponge, but Dogs served in Vietnam very honorably.

When I say 'armchair warrior', it's not towards Dogs.

Well how in gods name could he have views like he has? This is nam all over again.
 

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Would agree adamantly on 2 year stint for everyone.

I know Matt as well as several others here served in armed forces and and while I can't speak for others I will say my 19 months in service was the most positve influence on my life.
I went in a smart ass know it all inti-establishment degenerate--and came out with an entirely diff attitude. If not for service I would say there would have been 50/50 chance I might have spent part of my life behind bars.
If nothing else- it teaches one dicipline and weans them from thier parents--not that my parents didn't try to dicipline me constantly-but military had much more persuasive way :)
 

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DTB can't agree more. At 17.5 I was the smartest person I new. In about 2 to 3 days I found out differently. Discipline was key. When I came home for my first leave my grandfather said you listen better now and seem smarter. And laughed for about 5 minutes. Said you tough guys find it alittle different from being in high school sports-and being to cocky. Then laugh again. I thought he was going to have a heat attack. I told him cramp's your right. And I met some of the best guys I will ever meet in my life.
Yes to at least 18 months for all. Two years for those in special units.
 

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Doc I would say that make sense. With 65% of all in service white and 35% other. I would say based on that other total 547 out of 2451 again seems to be close. But part of the point is many sliver spoon kids I think we know what that means don't show up. And more of them are white. It was said by enlistment officials. Thanks to large Hispanics enlistments it has help arm forces make there goals. Both White and Black numbers are down. That keeps up and mix will change.
 

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Got the same blah blah blah in my days on Viet Nam war--only then they tried to make it look like minorities were disproportionatly drafted and put on front lines---

Myth: Blacks Served In Disproportionate Numbers
Of all the men and women who served in Vietnam, 275,000, or 10.6%, were black. The remaining 88.4% were Caucasian. At the time of the Vietnam War, Blacks represented approximately 12.5% of the total U.S. population.
There is a persistent myth that Blacks were used as "cannon fodder", being assigned to infantry units where they were forced to "walk point". This is not supported by the casualty data which indicates that 86.8% of those killed in action were Caucasian, while 12.1%, or 5,711, were Black. Again, this number is approximately the same as the percentage of Blacks in the general population during the war.

It appears as if this myth was generated by the anti-war movement in an effort to bolster their ranks by convincing Blacks (who could hardly be losing sleep over the fact that some white college students might have their education interrupted by military service) that they were being used as pawns to be sacrificed.
 

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DTB I agree with those numbers during Nam. Believe country was at that time percentage as you say. Believe draft also kept things a little more even. Things have seem to change with Hispanics numbers up since Nam. And they should be there a heck of a lot more here now. Not sure on others such as blacks if there up or about same. I do believe now as then the white student had best chance of ducking if they tried. Wrong as hell I can be. Some of all our suggestions above about everyone having to do some type of service with no excuses would be good. WE may even need a limited draft if we decide to get real serious about Pakistan and Afghanistan again. If we really want Bin. We don't look like we can pull any one from Iraq to help there. And we cant on guard our flank there because of the nut in Iran. And we can't get to short in Korea and leave those guys hanging. So we just may need some folks in a hurry. I guess we call this arm chair quarterbacking.
 

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I'LL BOTTOM LINE IT: We may not have a straight draft, but we do have a social and economic draft. We as a country have so many resources but we send our young to die because of the apathy of the majority and the thirst for greed and power of the minority that run the show. This is not a volunteer military for the poor and uneducated,that were never given a chance in some of the worst school systems in the free world. Some of us can justify this injustice, with the rationalization of a volunteer military but we as a country have to ask ourselves; is this the best we can do ? Is this really an option we want to offer this courageous generation ? This war and it's execution is just a symptom of the major systemic problems that we face. These systemic problems have put us in this place in time. Yes the terrorist are a threat but the enemy is us. All we do is react, we let Sep 11th happen and we react. Why don't we become more proactive and claim our rightful place in the world as the lone superpower. We have the stuff to do it.
 
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