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I gave that up when it was clear that it only worked when oil dropped. This will be interesting to see if oil keeps rising. Each fund started out at $25 - I'll bet that each will eventually be well below that number. DXO has proven that it will never recover, no matter how well oil performs. DTO is not likely to hold on at high levels. These two funds will soon prove why ETF's don't work.
I did hang on to DTO, thinking oil would get back to 50 or less. I've gotten killed.
Dawgball
Dawgball
I appreciate it, but its just cool to have a place to throw around some ideas and make some money--should be an interesting June--
Dawgball
I appreciate it, but its just cool to have a place to throw around some ideas and make some money--should be an interesting June--
Oil Is Plentiful, Demand Weak. Why Are Gas Prices Going Up?
Fri May 29, 4:50 pm ET
Storage tankers across the globe may be brimming with oil that no one is buying because of the global economic downturn, but the traditional laws of supply and demand don't always apply to oil prices. Drivers have faced rising prices at the gas pump in recent months, as investors and oil-producing countries hoard supplies in anticipation of a global economic recovery later this year.
The 12 member countries of the OPEC cartel voted in Vienna on Thursday to maintain output at current levels rather than increase supplies in order to bring some relief to consumers, particularly in the gas-guzzling West. The OPEC oil ministers, whose countries account for about 40% of the world's entire crude-oil supply, also renewed their commitment to stick to their agreed quotas, rather than ship extra oil, as they began doing last April when several members ignored their agreed output limits. OPEC leaders, many of whose economies are heavily dependent on oil exports, have struggled to stabilize prices at a level that suits their own economic needs amid falling demand and rising supplies. Prices had rocketed to a record level of $147 a barrel last July before plummeting to $30 just five months later and beginning a new climb. (See pictures of South Africa's oil-from-coal refinery.)
Oil analysts believe OPEC's decisions on Thursday could help push oil prices even higher; oil futures on the New York Mercantile Exchange have risen 36% in just two months, to about $63.46 a barrel on Thursday. And that appears to be on track to achieve targets set by OPEC leaders. Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi - OPEC's key power player - said Wednesday that oil prices ought to rise to between $75 and $80 a barrel by the end of the year. "Demand is picking up, especially in Asia," he told reporters puffing alongside him as he jogged through the streets of Vienna. "The price rise is a function of optimism that better things are coming in the future."
The economic recovery Naimi so optimistically predicts would certainly be vital to oil-producing countries, whose own economies would be imperiled by a drawn-out recession. Oil demand in rich countries has crashed since the onset of the economic crisis last year, and is now at its lowest level since about 1981, according to the Paris-based International Energy Agency. U.S. oil inventories - the stored surplus - this month reached their highest level since the 1980s. And about 2.6 billion barrels are currently stored in commercial tankers around the world. "There is some risk we will run out of storage space in the next four to six weeks," says Simon Wardell, director of global oil at IHS Global Insight, an energy-forecasting company in London. To oil-rich countries that possibility evokes grim memories of 1998, when the Asian economic crisis sent demand plummeting, driving world oil prices down to $10 a barrel. "If we run out of storage it could prompt a collapse in the price," says Wardell. Oil producers might then choose to dramatically cut output in order to run down the surplus. (See pictures from Azerbaijan's oil boom.)
Despite such dangers, investors and oil producers are betting that global demand will roar back, apparently hoping that the recession has already hit bottom. Over the past two months, investors have plowed billions of dollars into oil futures. If the U.S. and other major industrial economies rebound, oil supplies could be depleted because the recession has prompted producer nations to freeze hundreds of projects to open new oil wells or upgrade existing ones. In the oil-rich Niger Delta, a major Nigerian government offensive against rebels has seriously disrupted production for several weeks. Venezuela's Oil Minister Rafael Ramirez said in Vienna that his country could not afford to invest in major new oil exploration unless prices rise further. "We need a level of at least $70 [a barrel] to recuperate investment," he said on Thursday. Muhammad-Ali Zainy, senior energy analyst at the Center for Global Energy Studies in London, says oil demand could increase quickly once the recession ends, especially as China has begun to build up its strategic oil reserves. "We think the price is going to go up gradually," says Zainy.
For those feeling the pain at the gas pumps, however, there is one piece of good news. Oil is unlikely to hit $147 a barrel again - at least not during the coming decades. The U.S. Energy Information Administration said on Wednesday that oil prices would likely rise to $110 a barrel by 2015 and $130 a barrel by 2030. By that time the world oil markets might once again follow the normal rules of economics.
Sounds like I am over promoting this one, so my apologies beforehand...
SPNG:
Good report on them: http://steventmhess.googlepages.com/525ReutersSPNG.pdf
dogface
Vinnie- You know anything about STZU, besides penny stock blogs, etc. promoting it!
SPNG:
Good report on them: http://steventmhess.googlepages.com/525ReutersSPNG.pdf
dogface
Vinnie- You know anything about STZU, besides penny stock blogs, etc. promoting it!
Where do people see DXO topping out? Have some shares left, just wondering when I should sell. Thanks
All I know is that it will never get anywhere near the 25 where it started. At it's current pace, it might hit 6 if oil reaches $100 a barrel. If it was truly a "double long" fund as it is advertised, then it should be $8-10 per share right now.
money to be made in lotsa things :00hourYou just need to get in :00hour
There's going to be more money to be made on LEA
waiting for your call on LEA
- Feb 12, 2000
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- Feb 12, 2000
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Totally agree. I would bail on DXO at any time beause it simply does not behave as advertised.
In that same line of thinking, it could be much more profitable shorting DTO as it's price seemed to behave properly moreso.
So instead of being long DXO, you could be short DTO for the same direction.
For example this week:
DXO
Start: 3.65
End: 4.24
% Change: 16.16%
DTO
Start: 119.69
End: 80.90
% Change: -32.41%
Shorting DTO this week would have doubled your profits over being long DXO for the exact same directional move in oil.
You just need to get in :00hour
There's going to be more money to be made on LEA
OK - just give the word.
I new that is who it was! LOL!!
Have you ever dabbled in the beverage healthy drinks. I read the info, but curious as to what a seasoned investor might think of that...
dogface
No I haven't but you can get in on LEA with the rest of us :00hour after GM files for bankruptcy Monday :shrug: & hoping LEA takes a hit :0corn
