Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

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g quag...i`m tired of the bullshit.all the labels....that`s all...

you expect the government to spend wisely=... you are a crazy racist...

you expect the government to protect the border and support legal immigration=... well you know...

be patriotic in america=. ?. same.

/btw..if we had to lower our flag every day that someone wanted to celebrate a french defeat we?d never see it again....:grins:
 

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g quag...i`m tired of the bullshit.all the labels....that`s all...

you expect the government to spend wisely=... you are a crazy racist...

you expect the government to protect the border and support legal immigration=... well you know...

be patriotic in america=. ?. same.

/btw..if we had to lower our flag every day that someone wanted to celebrate a french defeat we?d never see it again....:grins:

:rimshot

I hear what you're saying my pinstriped friend. I've heard it helps if you just say fuck a lot? Maybe 'serenity now?'
 

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Given this was a school setting free speech actually doesnt apply. The job of the school is to provide the children with a safe learning environment. If they were trying to stir shit up then it is well within reason for administration to keep a problem from occuring. I obviously see the double standard and can only imagine what would happen if the roles were reversed, but I have no problem sending the kids home if it is deemed they themselves or other students are at risk. If the community or parents dont like it and feel they have been violated then bring suit:shrug: Please do not mistake the above for an endorsement to the pussyfication of America that continues on a daily basis and is only gaining steam in places such as ari.
 

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Given this was a school setting free speech actually doesnt apply. The job of the school is to provide the children with a safe learning environment. If they were trying to stir shit up then it is well within reason for administration to keep a problem from occuring. I obviously see the double standard and can only imagine what would happen if the roles were reversed, but I have no problem sending the kids home if it is deemed they themselves or other students are at risk. If the community or parents dont like it and feel they have been violated then bring suit:shrug: Please do not mistake the above for an endorsement to the pussyfication of America that continues on a daily basis and is only gaining steam in places such as ari.

i don`t believe that`s true....this doesn`t rise to that level...i believe all the kids should get equal protection under the law..

.if they remove the flag t-shirts,then the other kids would be forced to remove their "red/green and white"(which they were wearing)...shouldn`t not an unfair arbitrary decision by one person(the principal...

are you trying to say that the latino kids(living in america,btw),can`t control themselves?...

one could say that mexican-americans feel MORE mexican than american if they find american flag offensive enough to cause them to contemplate acting violent...

and if that`s the case,it?s obvious the school has done a poor job in teaching mexican-americans their american heritage...

personally,i`d like to see asian-americans start threatening violence when whenever something happens that they don?t like. ...then they?ll be kowtowed to by the powers that be....

but they`re just too damned well behaved...

give this horseshit 20 years....it`s gonna be a mess...
 
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i don`t believe that`s true....this doesn`t rise to that level...i believe all the kids should get equal protection under the law..

.if they remove the flag t-shirts,then the other kids would be forced to remove their "red/green and white"(which they were wearing)...shouldn`t not an unfair arbitrary decision by one person(the principal...

are you trying to say that the latino kids(living in america,btw),can`t control themselves?...

one could say that mexican-americans feel MORE mexican than american if they find american flag offensive enough to cause them to contemplate acting violent...

and if that`s the case,it?s obvious the school has done a poor job in teaching mexican-americans their american heritage...

personally,i`d like to see asian-americans start threatening violence when whenever something happens that they don?t like. ...then they?ll be kowtowed to by the powers that be....

but they`re just too damned well behaved...

give this horseshit 20 years....it`s gonna be a mess...

Dont know if it rose to that level or not, but if it did then the administration did the right thing. I dont disagree with most of what you wrote but you have to be able to seperate a specific event that involved safety from the mothodical degeneration of our culture being perpetrated by our government.
 

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we can disagree...but i stand by what i said...school officials can`t discriminate like that...they`ll lose in court..

what other nation in the world celebrates the holidays of other nations?

and yet, americans are intolerant for wearing an american flag t-shirt?..... bullshit..,imo,it`s the opposite....americans are OVERLY tolerant to the point of ridiculousness...it`s pathological... and it is other countries around the world who are intolerant to that fact.....

:142smilie ..i can`t take it anymore...




/i`m just thankful that nobody wore a french flag....

out:toast: :sadwave:
 

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we can disagree...but i stand by what i said...school officials can`t discriminate like that...they`ll lose in court..

what other nation in the world celebrates the holidays of other nations?

and yet, americans are intolerant for wearing an american flag t-shirt?..... bullshit..,imo,it`s the opposite....americans are OVERLY tolerant to the point of ridiculousness...it`s pathological... and it is other countries around the world who are intolerant to that fact.....

:142smilie ..i can`t take it anymore...




/i`m just thankful that nobody wore a french flag....
out:toast: :sadwave:

All hell would have broken loose if that was the case
 

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personally,i`d like to see asian-americans start threatening violence when whenever something happens that they don?t like. ...then they?ll be kowtowed to by the powers that be....

but they`re just too damned well behaved...
Asian-American kids are too busy studying.
 

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we can disagree...but i stand by what i said...school officials can`t discriminate like that...they`ll lose in court..

what other nation in the world celebrates the holidays of other nations?

and yet, americans are intolerant for wearing an american flag t-shirt?..... bullshit..,imo,it`s the opposite....americans are OVERLY tolerant to the point of ridiculousness...it`s pathological... and it is other countries around the world who are intolerant to that fact.....

:142smilie ..i can`t take it anymore...




/i`m just thankful that nobody wore a french flag....

out:toast: :sadwave:

More ignorance.

Cinco de Mayo is not the holiday of another nation.
 

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More ignorance.

Cinco de Mayo is not the holiday of another nation.

exactly....i stated what it was previously...mexican peasants defeating the french in the 1800s.....it`s not celebrated as a holiday in mexico....

the only reason it`s even known in the u.s. was to promote a marketing gimic for a beer distributorship....

i`m glad we agree...
 

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This is just another example of the double standard overly sensitive hug a tree liberal world we have created. This is America!!! If u cant wear your colors proud on any day that conflicts with a minority holiday then "GOOD GOSH" we are in trouble.:scared
 

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Given this was a school setting free speech actually doesnt apply. The job of the school is to provide the children with a safe learning environment. If they were trying to stir shit up then it is well within reason for administration to keep a problem from occuring. I obviously see the double standard and can only imagine what would happen if the roles were reversed, but I have no problem sending the kids home if it is deemed they themselves or other students are at risk. If the community or parents dont like it and feel they have been violated then bring suit:shrug: Please do not mistake the above for an endorsement to the pussyfication of America that continues on a daily basis and is only gaining steam in places such as ari.

According to what a lawyer said last night on tv free speech does apply to these kids & the school was also discriminatory in their actions against the kids who wore the american flag t-shirts. So if it's true then maybe the aclu will come to their defense..
 

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now heres another story where i take the opposite p.o.v.....

`http://www.ktrh.com/pages/michaelberry.html

here,i take the stance that the student had no business taking it upon himself to remove a school display without permission...a provocative act(unlike wearing an american flag tee shirt).....

in this case,suspension warranted...unlike the first instance in which the hispanic vice-prinicipal made up the rules to suit himself...

z`at fair?...i think so...


all this is happening because the federal government continues to shirk it`s duty by not protecting our borders....

and it`s gonna get much,much worse...
 

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According to what a lawyer said last night on tv free speech does apply to these kids & the school was also discriminatory in their actions against the kids who wore the american flag t-shirts. So if it's true then maybe the aclu will come to their defense..

Doubt we see the aclu taking up for these guys but I guess anything could happen. As to the freee speech, what I mean if i didnt state it well was that anything that administration deems distracting, inciting, or a potential saftey concern can be handled the way this one apparently was. Guys I am not saying the kids dont have the right to wear it, but if they would have been allowed to be beaten to bloody pulps by angry hispanic students then the administration would have failed in their duty to protect these kids. I guess since I work in a school I see things differently than most on this topic. According to how this thing went down I understand and agree. If they walked through the front door and were told to lose the shirts without administration having probable cause for concern then it is complete BS.

BTW anyone that feels free speech is allowed in schools should google your local county schools student handbook and see the some of the things that are not allowed.
 
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A California high school principal has apologized for telling five students they couldn't wear U.S. flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo, the local superintendent said Friday.

Tensions at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill had risen in the wake of the decision to forbid the shirts, as the students who wore the shirts defended their right to show their patriotism -- even on a Mexican holiday -- while a large group of Hispanic students staged a walkout Thursday in protest.

"This has certainly been a very difficult time for our school district," Superintendent Wesley Smith said in prepared remarks delivered Friday at a news conference.

Smith affirmed that students are free to wear patriotic clothing on campus, but the campus also must be kept "orderly and safe."

"School leaders have to make judgment calls on when to take preventative measures to pre-empt a possible incident or conflict," Smith said. "In this situation, it appears that a decision was made too quickly."

The five teens were sitting at a table outside the school Wednesday morning when Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez asked two of them to remove their American flag bandannas, one of the boys' parents told FoxNews.com. The youths complied, but were asked to accompany Rodriguez to the principal's office.

The students were then told they must turn their T-shirts inside-out or be sent home, though it would not be considered a suspension. Rodriguez told the students he did not want any fights to break out between Mexican-American students celebrating their heritage and those wearing American flags, the parent said.

One of the parents told FoxNews.com that the preemptive action was unnecessary, and that Rodriguez "overstepped his bounds."

Superintendent Smith described freedom of expression as "a sacred American value" and said the lesson learned is that it should be celebrated "thoughtfully and fairly."

"It is unfortunate that some people want to leverage their personal agendas off of this incident," Smith said, noting the national media attention on the school.

"Most of the kids on our campus have said, 'Enough is enough.' they want to get back to normal."

Morgan Hill Police Department Cmdr. Joe Sampson said two officers were stationed at Live Oak High School school midday Friday to give a "visual presence" in order to thwart any potential acts of violence.

"We want to give them peace of mind should they need us," Sampson told Fox News.

Sampson confirmed that no arrests were made during a walkout at the school on Thursday.

More than 200 Hispanic students reportedly skipped class on Thursday and marched to school district headquarters while chanting "we want respect" and "si se puede" -- "yes we can," the Morgan Hill Times reported.

"We did this to support the Latino/Hispanic community," Francine Roa, a 2005 Live Oak High School graduate, told the newspaper.
 
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