Stupid Wisconsin Law

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This one bothers me as an independent small business owner here in Wisconsin. When is the government going quit trying to run our private businesses?




Giving Criminals a Leg Up

While the Legislature continues to rack up their per diem payments voting on senseless and unnecessary legislation, it refuses to deal with some important current laws that defy reason.
The Wisconsin Fair Employment Act states that when making hiring or firing decisions, arrest or conviction record cannot be taken into account by an employer. Thus, if a felon shows up at the corner store looking for a job and they are denied, the Mom n' Pop store could face an expensive lawsuit.
The following commentary was provided by Christian Schneider for the "Here and Now" program on Wisconsin Public Television:
"Another state legislative session is about to come and go, and it will still be illegal for businesses to take criminal records into account when deciding to hire or fire people. That's right - under Wisconsin law you can deny employment to applicants because they smell like pickles or have excessive nose hair, but not because they went to jail for stabbing someone in the eyes.
Currently, criminal record has to be ignored in the workplace unless it has a "substantial relationship" to the job at hand - but nobody knows what that actually means. You may remember the case of the Milwaukee Public School employee who was convicted of throwing hot grease on a 20-month old infant, giving the child third-degree burns. When the school tried to fire him, he sued, got his job back, and even received a cash settlement. He argued he was actually throwing the grease at the baby's mother, which meant he wasn't a threat to children. Apparently the law agrees.
What might be most galling about this law is that it gives the same discrimination protections to criminals that are reserved for things like sex, race, and religion - involuntary classifications. Somehow, I don't think Dr. King marched in Birmingham to protect some dirty-toucher's right to get a job at Arbys.
This law puts small businesses in a catch-22. It's just a matter of time before a violent felon shows up at the local futon store looking for a job. If the shop hires him, they could be endangering their employees and customers. But if it doesn't, the shop could be the subject of a long, expensive lawsuit.
Changing the law wouldn't mean that employers couldn't hire ex-cons - many still would. It would simply mean that businesses would have the right to decide what's safest for their workplaces - instead of the government making that decision for them."
 

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does this law apply to felons applying for a job as a policeman?

idiots!
 

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy
When is the government going quit trying to run our private businesses?

Thats one thing I hate about the smoking ban some cities have. The owners of the businesses should be able to decide if they want to allow smoking or not!!!! :nono: ... And I dont even smoke
 

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Thats one thing I hate about the smoking ban some cities have. The owners of the businesses should be able to decide if they want to allow smoking or not!!!! :nono: ... And I dont even smoke

I actually used to feel the same way.. but after spending a lot of time in Denver and Tampa (where smoking is not allowed) but living in Milwaukee (where everyone in bars smokes) I can tell you that I MUCH prefer non smoking bars and other public places.

In my mind, this isn't a whole lot different than laws requiring public accomodations for those with disabilities. People shouldn't have to decide if its worth killing themselves via second hand smoke just to frequent an establishment. Funny - don't have a wheelchair ramp and you can get in trouble - but let people smoke in your restaurant to help kill other people and it's ok.

If the smoking was just a nuisance to other people then I'd agree with you. But since it has been proven that second hand smoke can harm others, I disagree strongly.

Now, at PRIVATE clubs or people's own homes - do whatever you want. But in public establishments? Hey, it is has to be handicap accessible and safe for all patrons.

It's frustrating how behind behind the rest of the world Wisconsin is.

I'm sure others will disagree - but that's my opinion.
 

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I actually used to feel the same way.. but after spending a lot of time in Denver and Tampa (where smoking is not allowed) but living in Milwaukee (where everyone in bars smokes) I can tell you that I MUCH prefer non smoking bars and other public places.

In my mind, this isn't a whole lot different than laws requiring public accomodations for those with disabilities. People shouldn't have to decide if its worth killing themselves via second hand smoke just to frequent an establishment. Funny - don't have a wheelchair ramp and you can get in trouble - but let people smoke in your restaurant to help kill other people and it's ok.

If the smoking was just a nuisance to other people then I'd agree with you. But since it has been proven that second hand smoke can harm others, I disagree strongly.

Now, at PRIVATE clubs or people's own homes - do whatever you want. But in public establishments? Hey, it is has to be handicap accessible and safe for all patrons.

It's frustrating how behind behind the rest of the world Wisconsin is.

I'm sure others will disagree - but that's my opinion.
oh bullshit. you can't even eat stuff that isn't harmful anymore, according to the *authorities*.

everything is harmful.

if you don't like businesses that allow smoking, stay the fuk out of there. shouldn't they have that choice? THEY are the ones taking the chance of losing business, it's THEIR business.

I'm sure others will disagree - but that's my opinion.

and i have a buzz or i wouldn't express my opinion at my business because i wouldn't want to offend, but i will. oh well.

btw, we don't smoke in our own home but we're smokers. i wouldn't want to ruin the resale value to the non-smoking public.
 

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Jack - I kinda figured that'd be the way you'd lean.....

I'm not anti-tobacco - I enjoy a chew of Copenhagen as much as folks enjoy cigs...

I just don't think that people should be subjected to foul smelling clothes, whole body stink, health risks, etc from people smoking. It's kinda like if a tobacco chewer spit on everyone - similiar to the smoker whose smoke goes on everyone and other their lungs.

And the argument that non smokers could go somewhere else.... well, I think that is the same argument about people in wheelchairs - can't they just go somewhere else? The government says no - and ultimately they'll do the same with smoking.

I guess I still feel everyone has a right to be able to go to public accomodations without other people's actions (smoking) making them stink and hurting their health (think of people with asthma for example).


HEY - I know I won't win an argument with you on this one (you're the boss). However, I do have a right to my opinion.

And I can tell you that going to a bar in Denver or Tampa is a LOT nicer than going to one where smoking is allowed. Just be able to leave at the end of the night and still be able to breath normally and not have to take a shower when you get home due to all the smoke in bars is reason enough.

Like I said - I USED to feel that the free market should decide. Then the government started making rules, like wheelchair ramps and the like. I just don't see this being any different.

Have a good night - and keep that buzz going!
 

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Cigs are a funny thing. They really bring about the passion on both sides.

You know, when the FDA determines a certain drug that has been on the market for a while might now be causing strokes, or blindness, etc in a small % of it's users, they will pull it in a heartbeat! Doesn't matter if it still can help tens of thousands!

They KNOW tobacco kills thousands a year, and it keeps being manufactured and sold.
 

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no sense in me replying, mags. :shrug:

have a good one :)
 

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Then the government started making rules

yeah, they've been making a lot of those in the last few years. you like them all? :shrug:
 

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This is my opinion. I own a bar. What a lot of people fail to realize is that it is NOT a public building. It is PRIVATE PROPERTY that happens to be OPEN to the public. No one is forced to come into my place of business. If you don't like smoke, don't come in. (And I am a non-smoker). We are not a health club. People don't go to bars for their health. If a non-smoking bar here in Wisconsin is such a good idea, then by all means, you have a right to open one. I wish you all the luck in the world, as you would need it.

I agree there should be no smoking in public buildings where people have to go to, but leave us private property people alone where it is a choice to go to or not.
 

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This is my opinion. I own a bar. What a lot of people fail to realize is that it is NOT a public building. It is PRIVATE PROPERTY that happens to be OPEN to the public. No one is forced to come into my place of business. If you don't like smoke, don't come in. (And I am a non-smoker). We are not a health club. People don't go to bars for their health. If a non-smoking bar here in Wisconsin is such a good idea, then by all means, you have a right to open one. I wish you all the luck in the world, as you would need it.

I agree there should be no smoking in public buildings where people have to go to, but leave us private property people alone where it is a choice to go to or not.

I bet you allow smoking in your bar. It attracts more patrons where as you would not have as much business if you had a non smoking bar.

As a former smoker if I opened up a bar I would allow smoking. First of all, it's all about the benjamins. Secondly, I believe bars are places where people should be able to unwind and smoke if they want too. If you don't like it go to a nonsmoking bar or restaurant. Hell, I've seen a lot worse things "harm" people in bars than second hand smoke.

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Thank you kneifl, finally someone understands what we are going thru. By the way, as a Bears fan living in Wisconsin, GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!






I bet you allow smoking in your bar. It attracts more patrons where as you would not have as much business if you had a non smoking bar.

As a former smoker if I opened up a bar I would allow smoking. First of all, it's all about the benjamins. Secondly, I believe bars are places where people should be able to unwind and smoke if they want too. If you don't like it go to a nonsmoking bar or restaurant. Hell, I've seen a lot worse things "harm" people in bars than second hand smoke.

kneifl
 
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