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He's making good on his debt, he wants to post, and people like his posts.
I am not going to allow you to stalk him and bash him in the handicapping forums. THAT'S pathetic!
Stop bashing in the handicapping forums, please. We have politics and general forums for that.
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can't take it any more yes all is good, RIGHT, I would like to see 8,297 + intrest bit lip for past year all i am saying read into it, ask fredville he covered half like i had to, then get blown off from one who use to be a friend so some of you need to know all also before you think things are nice and peachy clean, hell would trade off with judge any day amounts and would love to see some payments or a freaking effort
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All I'm saying is that it don't belong here. That's your private business. Last I checked this was a handicapping forum. ......:shrug:
Raymond has been given every chance to make good on his debt and has come up with nothing. No effort to make payments or anything. It easy to make profits when you don't have to pay your losses or in this case, have someone else pay for you.
Teemo, where does it belong then? Teemo you seem like a cool guy so I cant understand how you can condone a racsit stiff. IMO its a slap in the face of the people he owes money to everytime he posts. I cant blame Jack for letting him post because Jack has to do what is best for his business. Raymond even though he is a racist stiff is good for business. I know I check his thread everyday lol. Anybody that has any common sense knows Raymond isnt betting with real money. Nobody could afford to lose as much as he has in the last 10 years. And for all his fans that think he is a great handicapper all I can say is :facepalm:
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Plus the fact that he has a pick on everything. Do people really think he is handicapping these games? It just amazes me how long some people can remain squares.
Trampled, some people are just stupid lol. My favorite is when he posts a 5 or 6 teamer and someone posts and says that looks good I think I'll follow :mj07:
And I have contribed tons of games and info as well as helping people out when they come to Vegas with rides from airport,free top of the line show tickets, sporting events ,dinner comps at top places, discount rooms at some of the top 5 strip resorts since 2000, so i think I have earned the right to sat Fred and i were stiffed for almost 9 grand by him because he did not pay what he lost after we vouched for him and got him the account, then 4 months ago he calls and said I am going to start paying you and Fred back in a few months well it has been 4, he won't even talk to me have called , wrote and emailed and nothing, never pressed him over it because he knew what he did to us and how much we paid, and i can have the book post just what fred and i said, they tried for 2 months to set him up a plan and one story after the other from someone who i thought was my good friend and it might be pocket change to some of you but 8,297 is a lot to me, and to make matters worse he knows My wife and i have unreal med billsbecause of all the stuff that goes with her breast cancer, trust me ins does not cover everything , chemo, radation , dr's visit each month now and all the meds comes out to a shit load even after ins part. then to tell me he was going to start paying use 4 months ago and then blows me and fred off is even more of a slap in our face, he was just buying more time to figure out how he couldthink how to not talk to me or fred again and not think anything of it, hell he should just come to our houses break in and rob from us because that is what he did, also we were the one who had to tell the book he was not going to pay them, he would not call them both of us did, I was not going in gutter with my name with this book who i won't say name because they don't pay for a add here, but i have been with them 10 years and fred lot loner then me, My word is my bond and we vouched for him not like they do for anyone what he got, you have to have very very good recamedations from people they have delt with for years and have always been in good stabdings with book, he knew all the rules and stuff before he played, he ask me if we could help himout with a account with them and we both told him at least 3 times each make sure you pay on time if you lose which they have money to you in 3 days after you win and he said you know i would not mess up a friend, well see where that went , and told us he would pay them 4 different times and we called over there talked to the big guy and got things set up to where he could take care of it with out breaking him so he could take care of house and food bills never even tried to pay them so we had to, then gives me and fred the story about getting payments to us that worked for him and then not a word since he called me in junesaying he would be paying in about a month had a good job lined up and ask me to call fred and let him know, well just another story but yet he can go to ac on the weekends to a island beach house and party away while we are left paying our living bills and me lot of bigtime extra health care bills due to jerri's breast cancer while he goes to all these places and events and fred and i out almost 9 grand because he said fuck them more or less and same for me and fred he saying fuck you you should not of paid it, well does not work that way,we gave our word to book that he would be fine and never would have to worry about him and they said good we have no problem then but if there is a problem youboth will have to take care of it in the end because you vouched and ask us to take him on.
After 4 days he was down about 3100 i said ray slow down that is a lot for 3 days and he said i will win and if not you know me i will send it right out i would never cause you and fred problems to where you would have to pay for me. It really hurts because i treated him like a brother out here he came to visit 3 times in 4 years we went to shows unlv games set in book and watched games, i let him use my camaro 2 different times when i was busy so he did not have to sit in room , offered him each tome to stay at our house so he did not have to waste money on lodging and he just not only has nurnt me and fred for almost 8 grand he just acts like we were never friends and says fuck off more or less. So say what you want some of you this is not 50-100 bucks this is almost 9 grand and what i thought was someone who was like family to me a brother and he just kicks me aside like i never did anything for him out of friendhip and like we were not even friends.
Also if people want you can go back through the years on here, when people would get on ray andtalk about him , i would be the first right there to take his back because he was one of my best friends and did not like people talking about one of my best friends so their is lot of hurt not just the money but treating me as a person like shit when all i ever did for him was give , try to make his visits here special for him , things he would never of done or get to do jerri and i were able and did do for him and it cost him nothing thanks to jerri's contacts being a dir of conventions at one of the top strip resorts here and my sports contacts, and he knows how sick she was still is but hope it's getting better and never comes back but he knows how much it was costing us out of pocket even with good ins. We talked about it many times and i nver said anything about the 8700 + to him when we would talk then he calls to tell me he is going to start paying us and never heard from him again since he told me that and had me tell fred for him, that was early june, have like i said called 8 times left messages each time for him to call me, emailed him who knows how many times, and he never screed calls from me in his life it would ring 2 times and he was on phone, also use to call me 4 am on sat or 430 asking if i had any food ncaafb games for him this went on for 7 years, and we would go over some he liked and he did share some he liked with me and i would say rhanks , I prefer to do my on work since ithis is my full time jon has been sice 1998, but was nice he sharied,and i heloed him with a book when he won 32,900 in less then 8 days on parlays, they thought he hacked into them, i spoke won't say the persons name and said ray could not do that first of all and 2nd he is not that type of person and he got his checks about a week later , sameway out here he wanted to make a parlay books won't take unless the know you which they did not but they knew me well and they took it for a amount the don't take from someone off the street and he hit is for 18,500,so have done lot of things for him out of friendship and he steals from fred and i 8700 + and can say what you want he did steal it from us because had to pay what he did not and like i said he knew if he did not pay we would have to i told him 3 times and fred at least 5 times, then he strubg fred out for almost a month saying he was getting money together to pay it, fred would call him every other day to see what was going on and i at that point stilll trusted him and knew he would pay it, never did i think he would stiff me for 8700because he did not want to pay what he lost, we were close very very close friends he even told me he did not have many friends he was more into family and staying home I was like his brother and closet friend and he does this to me and to fred,this hurts like i said more then just the money to me and the money hurts that is a lot of money to have to pay for someone and then they turn around and stiff you, might not be alot to you all but to me it is, you all might be making a mill a year i don't an d doing what i do and have done since 1998 is a very hard job that takes lot of time, it's not the glamer and glitter most people think, trust me on that but i love my job but can't afford someone taking me for 8700 because they lost. the longer this goes on the more hurt i getand not pissed hurt because no-one has every stabbed me in the back like ray has done. and yes it does feel like a big fucking slap in my face with him posting aall he bets and then when he wins money post the dancing smiles and shit, fuk pay fred and me when you win be a man. i am done this is upsetting me.
Okay, fletcher said what was on his mind, RAYMOND replied and that's all the action on this matter the forum will entertain.
Please keep this matter between you guys privately. Nothing is going to be solved here :shrug: except disrupt the forum.
thanks
Please keep this matter between you guys privately. Nothing is going to be solved here :shrug: except disrupt the forum.
thanks
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