Takin it up the Booty

[Big Nasty D]

I give USC props also for doing what they are doing for what little experience you yourself keep claiming they have like that is a good thing. On one side it is a good thing and comes across like they were not expected to be doing and winning like this.

I think they are right on pace where they should be and have had some seriously bad showings these past weeks for what "they" consider their standards should be and in the meantime those wins have been against a rather week Pac-10 schedule thus far. You gotta admit the Pac-10 as a whole is weak this year and I agree with gman....no way USC could handle Ohio St or Michigan right now. End of the season who knows I guess. We gotta wait and see. Personally I don't think USC could beat the likes of Texas right now either.

If USC somehow brings it all together the upcoming weeks and solidifies a true win against Cal, then that may change my opinion on em'.

If you notice for the first time in years Good old coach Pete looks a little nervous everytime they show him on the sideline. Not as much confidence and swagger and running up and down the sidelines like we've always seen in the past. I got mucho respect for the man and his coaching, but we'll see how good his coaching is now without all of the talent they paid for years ago to get there now that they have to keep their program clean. Lol, just raggin' there....I'm pullin' for ya Scott either way and wish em' the best. Just can't wait for that Cal game then I'll be a believer.

 

[blgstocks]

In SC defense, I thought Koetter/Carpenter played a very good game. You could tell by the multiple screen plays ASU broke off that USC was not prepared for the game. ASU shot themselves in the foot, so did USC.

USC is just not that good, judging by gmans quote of Scott(scotts on my ignore list, no knock on Gman), one can easily tell he is dreaming and I am warning anyone that is on here to win money to stay far away from Scotts "capping" it is wishful thinking at best. SC is not dominant at all on defense, they have too many injuries/inexperience to be successful. If ASU/WSU/Wash wouldnt have made costly mistakes they all would have beaten SC! Of course SC made many mistakes against these teams as well, but they will continue to make mistakes as they have a coming of age.

My prediction is that SC will lose twice before the season is done. Maybe even 3 times as I do not doubt Ore/Cal/ND will chew this weak defense up. USC will have to go point for point with these guys and I dont think Booty can do it. I think SC stepped on a lot of toes last year. ASU/ND/Ore - who had the win and it was ripped away form them, and i knew Koetters offseason moves were based almost entirely off fixing what happened against SC, I can only assume Ore/ND have given it as much thought as well. The fact that ND/Ore/Cal have all gotten better, while SC has gotten much worse has to be scary for an SC fan. I will either bet against SC who is a whopping 1-5 ats already or I will bet the overs as their defense is a sieve.

 

[Scott4USC]

Big Nasty D

I am not saying USC will run the table. They HAVE to make improvements. Or else they will lose 1 and maybe 2 games. PC is as proven as they come. Nobody gets more from such young players as PC. Why would ANYBODY doubt USC? :shrug:

USC was suppose to lose when Palmer left.

USC was suppose to lose Mike Williams left?

USC was suppsoe to lose when Chow left? (he was real brains, right)

Leinart?

Bush?

One constant. That is USC keeps on winning. Winners of 51 of their last 53 games.

Only difference is Pete Carroll has more talent to work with NOW than he did BEFORE. Scary when you think about it. These are his words. This is USC's most talented and deepest team in PC era.

 

[gman2]

the thing is, i never once doubted usc nor said anything critical of their chances to win a national championship.

i just got a kick out of the 'spin' considering how mediocre usc has looked in the last 2 weeks.

just cant understand why people cant be objective and critical of their 'teams'.

usc is still a top 5 team.

but they have played mediocre football for a few weeks now and they have been in danger of losing outright to some very mediocre foes.

they need leaders. im not buying the youth and injuries excuse. gable and moody were parade all-americans. these arent typical freshmen. as far as bringing booty along slowly, my god he has been coddled and babied his whole life considering his family name. and he got to learn under one of the best qbs in recent cfb history for the last few years. i dont see arkansas making excuses for mustain.

usc is still a very very good team. and without question theyre going to get better.

but they have nearly played themselves out of the national championship picture by walking a tight rope against some lame foes the last few weeks.

 

[gman2]

USC was suppose to lose Mike Williams left?

im not a big 'told you so' person, but we had this discussion 2 years ago on mike williams. i never understood your man crush for this kid.

i felt then, and still feel now, that he was never as good as keyshawn johnson. and i still feel that jarrett is already a better receiver than williams was.

williams was the most overrated player to come out of usc in the carroll era. lots of trojans are making good nfl livings after coming through the usc program. but williams was grossly overhyped.

 

[Big Nasty D]

I agree and see your points Scott, but I personally would have to disagree that this is PC's most talented team yet????? Deepest maybe......But I think a key word there to be used is POTENTIAL. Coaches always use the word TALENT, when in reality in this case I would agree this team has the most POTENTIAL in the "upcoming" era of PC.

They may run the table, and if not they'll probabbly come close. I never have and never will dispute or argue the accomplishments this team has under PC and some of them are mind blowing, he is a genuine players coach and can get the most POTENTIAL out of anyone with TALENT.

I think the scariest part is the next two tears to come with this team considering the ways they are finding to win now as a younger inexperienced team. After a season together and they really start to gel I see no reason why they won't be back to their dominant form.

 

[Scott4USC]

im not a big 'told you so' person, but we had this discussion 2 years ago on mike williams. i never understood your man crush for this kid.

i felt then, and still feel now, that he was never as good as keyshawn johnson. and i still feel that jarrett is already a better receiver than williams was.

williams was the most overrated player to come out of usc in the carroll era. lots of trojans are making good nfl livings after coming through the usc program. but williams was grossly overhyped.

I remember it. I think you said that MSU WR Rogers was better and I said no way. I felt Mike would tear it up in NFL. I was DEAD WRONG!

In my opinion, Mike Williams was the best WR I have watched at USC. Better than Keyshawn.

Mike Williams also is the most dominant WR I have seen in college football. NOBODY ever stopped him. Amazing college WR. Have not seen a more dominant player since.

I would take Mike Williams over Dwane Jarret ANY day of the week.

I think he is the one player I would choose that put USC at the top. 2nd would be Palmer. Palmer became Palmer w/Williams.

 

[gman2]

I remember it. I think you said that MSU WR Rogers was better and I said no way. I felt Mike would tear it up in NFL. I was DEAD WRONG!

In my opinion, Mike Williams was the best WR I have watched at USC. Better than Keyshawn.

Mike Williams also is the most dominant WR I have seen in college football. NOBODY ever stopped him. Amazing college WR. Have not seen a more dominant player since.

I would take Mike Williams over Dwane Jarret ANY day of the week.

I think he is the one player I would choose that put USC at the top. 2nd would be Palmer. Palmer became Palmer w/Williams.

well rogers hasnt exactly panned out either. so we were both off on our nfl assesments.

regardless, we're just going to agree to disagree on williams. imo, he was never in keyshawns class in terms of being a complete receiver. keyshawn is one of the best blocking receivers of all time and thats not hyperbole. also very reliable pass catcher. also a reliable head case, but thats for another debate.

dont get me wrong -- williams was very good at the collegiate level so take nothing away from him. as far as nobody being better since his time at usc, i suggest you take a peek at the guy playing down in atlanta for the yellow jackets. freakish, freakish talent.

 

[Scott4USC]

I agree and see your points Scott, but I personally would have to disagree that this is PC's most talented team yet?????

Pete Carroll himself said this is the most talented team and deepest team he has had since coming to USC.

This is why I am not concerned at all with current status of the team. USC just needs to find ways to win to stay in the title hunt. Sooner rather than later, it will all click. When it does, there will be no turning back. USC NEEDS to be undefeated before it all clicks.

Right now USC is sorta like the Ohio St. team who recently won the National Championship. They just found ways to win. OSU just did it a lot uglier. Country is used to USC winning going away. USC is now a normal college football team and everyone is now looking for payback against them.

I think the scariest part is the next two tears to come with this team considering the ways they are finding to win now as a younger inexperienced team. After a season together and they really start to gel I see no reason why they won't be back to their dominant form.

You are right. This is major rebuilding year for USC. Yet USC is trying to win BCS NC and is a major contender. Next year USC is suppose to win the BCS NC.

There are only 2 significant seniors on this team.

 

[Scott4USC]

well rogers hasnt exactly panned out either. so we were both off on our nfl assesments.

regardless, we're just going to agree to disagree on williams. imo, he was never in keyshawns class in terms of being a complete receiver. keyshawn is one of the best blocking receivers of all time and thats not hyperbole. also very reliable pass catcher. also a reliable head case, but thats for another debate.

dont get me wrong -- williams was very good at the collegiate level so take nothing away from him. as far as nobody being better since his time at usc, i suggest you take a peek at the guy playing down in atlanta for the yellow jackets. freakish, freakish talent.

I would take G-Tech WR Johnson over Jarret. I like Jarret but Johnson is better. Johnson reminds me a lot of Williams. Remember, we only saw Mike Williams as a FRESHMAN and SOPHOMORE and he dominated college football. Man amongst boys and he was underclassmen. He left too early.

Johnson has crappy QB while Williams had 1st round NFL caliber QB's. Maybe Johnson is more dominant, but I think Williams accomplished more.

Keyshawn was stud and he didn't have 1st round NFL caliber QB either.

Jarret needs to stay at USC for senior season. Mistake if he leaves early.

 

[Scott4USC]

Before you slam Booty, think before you post.

There are only 6 other undefeated teams in the country and none of them lost 7 starters on offense to the NFL last year. When added to the group USC lost to the NFL, USC is missing or have missed 17 starters for all or part of the games this year!!!!!!! The only thing more amazing than this team being undefeated right now is the complete lack of appreciation for their accomplishments this year despite an unbelievable set of challenges and set backs.

What the USC offensive coaching staff have done to date has been nothing short of amazing.

USC now has bye, an average Oregon St. team @home, and a cupcake (Stanford) on deck. That is a 3 week window to get healthy and get things straightened out. I think USC has earned their #2 ranking even though they might not currently be the 2nd best team playing right now! USC is still undefeated with their brutal schedule.

 

[Hashish]

One constant. That is USC keeps on winning.

And here I thought USC's one constant was paying its players...:shrug: